Microsoft is investing because of xCloud and Game Pass. Let's be honest, Microsoft does not have exclusive games anymore. Their primary goal is not selling as many consoles as possible, it's planning for a future without stationary consoles.
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Neo Blaster
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Third party games are always constrained by the lowest common denominator, and that's not even base consoles, but low end PCs. If you wanna know what a machine is capable of, you have to look at it's exclusives.
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splattered
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What you mean to like turn on easy mode and offer the A.I. microtransactions Store thing to help beat a boss?
"My apologies Brad, my sensors indicate you are not enjoying your time with Dark Souls 6. You will be pleased to know that for only 10,000 valiant coins I can take you to a magical item shop that will allow you to purchase a weapon that will surely increase your chances of winning. Oh, it appears that you are short on valiant coins. Would you like to approve the purchase of a 100,000 valiant coin bundle for only $10.00 USD? Normally $15.00 but you will be happy to know it is on sale for a limited time. Payable by either Credit Card or PayPal. Brad, don't let the Boss get the best of us. How will you face your girlfriend/wife/children/friends/cat?"
Something like that? Haha
Gamernyc78
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Before bg most of the industry insiders were pushing the narrative tht both consoles are close in power.
Mr. PlayStation
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haha
Vinex
Neo Member
Microsoft is doing it like "pay less get more" Instead of making a triple A new IP titles with high budget, they take that budget to create a 5 or 6 shitty indie games to throw it in gamepass. Why the fuck would you pay $40mil to get Ninja on mixer?? Do you realize that $40mil was almost the budget of the Witcher 3?? Let alone the price that they paid for shroud is unknown. That strategy of "play anywhere" is just because their games are hot garbage so they want to squeeze the hell out of them by selling them everywhere.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Bro just think you'll be playing Recore 2, New State of Decay, Battle Toads Ultimate mixed in with some Halo, Gears and Forza every few years
enticing isn't it? 
Vinex
Neo Member
I would rather play in my balls than playing these games tbh lolBro just think you'll be playing Recore 2, New State of Decay, Battle Toads Ultimate mixed in with some Halo, Gears and Forza every few years
Gamernyc78
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Gamernyc78
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Double post.
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Or (generic) Netflix 3rd person action adventures every 1,5-2 years.Bro just think you'll be playing Recore 2, New State of Decay, Battle Toads Ultimate mixed in with some Halo, Gears and Forza every few years
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DForce
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Only? No.
But there's no doubting that games like Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War + Multiplats have been more attractive to gamers than what MS has been dishing out this generation.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Yeah like Astrobot, Dreams, MLB The Show, Concrete Genie, Firewall, Spiderman, etc....
Plus all those goty winning 3rd person action games
When it comes to the quantity and quality based off metas, goty and awards thts definitely not subjective. Sony has tht in spades
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JLB
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star wars battlefront II looks much better on xox than ps4pro, not only on resolution.
Oh yeah i forgot all those great niche games, that sold billions of copies. And Batm.... Spiderman is a 3rd person action adventure.Yeah like Astrobot, Dreams, MLB The Show, Concrete Genie, Firewall, Spiderman, etc....
Plus all those goty winning 3rd person action games
When it comes to the quantity and quality based off metas, goty and awards thts definitely not subjective. Sony has tht in spades
Btw there is not just one GOTY award, there are plenty GOTY awards and RDR2 won many of them.
Don't get me wrong, for me Astro Bot is one of the greatest games made this gen, but it's a niche.
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SportsFan581
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The amount of users clinging to what sounds like bad information (IMO) is quite hilarious. When these things hit the wild the amount of 180s and damage control on display will be priceless. I wonder if even most of the "trusted" sources are getting their information from people with actual access to 1st party dev kits (it's possible one company has a distinctly different 1st party kit at this point, that won't hit 3rd party until late June, early July).
I would say, just stay neutral and trust that the games will look great.
I would say, just stay neutral and trust that the games will look great.
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saintjules
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Interesting interview:
audioboom.com
Interview with Phil Spencer about The Past, Present & Future of Xbox
Episode one thousand on Gamertag Radio. Interview with Phil Spencer about the past, present & future of Xbox. Thanks to our friends at 368 (https://www.368.nyc/) for allowing us to record at their venue in NYC. Artwork courtesy of Adam Leonhardt (https://twitter.com/theartofad...
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Gamernyc78
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You mentioned RDR 2 a multiplat game
bcus u couldn't find any Xbox game tht has won a goty recently or in memory (good one ) I didnt mention Horizon Zero Dawn which is an Action RPG game or some others. There doesn't need to be one goty award the reality is Sony games when thy are up for them win numerous goty, usually the majority and there are numerous Sony games tht garner such awards e.g. Just recently Death Stranding. It's OK bro you cant win them all with tht bs narrative. Xbox has just as much third person movie driven type games thy just don't do as good
saintjules
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I agree. Personally, I'm waiting to see if/when nothing happens this month, what will People say then. Specifically talking about PS in this case.
Roronoa Zoro
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*Feb 28th*
JUST got word from a source that the meeting or state of play or whatever has been delayed at the last minute due to Cerny's hangover! Expect something soon
CasperDarling
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Awesome console wars on this page! I see we have devolved into gamefaqs. For as much as this site rips on era the Sony hivemind sure lives strong in this thread.
Just wanted to correct you, cause many Sony fans want to believe there is just the game awards, but there are countless GOTS awards.You mentioned RDR 2 a multiplat game
It's OK bro you cant win them all with tht bs narrative. Xbox has just as much third person movie driven type games thy just don't do as good
Fact is that most big budget Sony games are narrative 3rd person action adventures and although they are good games, it starts to bore me. I want more diversity. Never got what makes Horizon an RPG. The multiple choice answers that had absolutely no influence on the game? For me it's also just another 3rd person action adventure.
DeeDogg_
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Anything I can pull out of my a- I mean “leak” is all possible too. Can I get my attention and multiple Dualshockers articles?
I predict PS5 will be more than $20
ThaMonkeyClaw
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Which is exactly why I wish that Nintendo would go multiplat, they’re always already at the low end.
I would love to see Nintendo go multiplat, imagine what their games would look like with next gen power and ray tracing! I would be insane!
ruvikx
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Red Dead Redemption 2 & Assassin's Creed Origins (to name 2 examples) look no worse than the ps4's exclusives. Some 60 fps titles like Titanfall 2 & Doom also look very impressive on the base ps4. I just don't see where you can get this idea from that the exclusives this gen on PlayStation pushed the hardware more than third party AAA games.
gaming_noob
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A true New Yorker would never be caught playing those children games
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Patience my friend
Neo Blaster
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That's called optimization, a third party game must embrace many consoles and PC configurations. There's simply no time and resources to make a version optimized to each one.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I’ve said it before many times and I’ll say it again, a good artist works with what he’s given. If you look at the base PS4 for example, you can see a wealth of different ideas and talents. You can see stupidly good facial detail in last of us 2, and you can see cgi level kid friendly fun on ratchet and clank. But you can also see really low level efforts, maybe due to lack of talent, maybe due to lack of experience, who knows. But if a game can look as stunning as Uncharted 4, Horizon or TLOU2 and be on a paltry PS4... Then a game can look equally stunning on better hardware.
The reason Sony exclusives always LOOK so good is the artiat at places like guerrilla and naughty dog are second to none. They are the ILM and Weta of their field. These guys are the tippy top at getting fantastic results out of the hardware. But it’s nothing to do with the system. J would bet my mortgage on the fact that if they had to design a game for Xbox one, they would do just as good a job.
But there ARE third party devs out there that are pushing the medium forward, and yes, on both systems. RDR2 is arguably one of, if not the best looking game of the generation, and it runs on a base Xbox one. This isn’t hardware, it’s pure talent.
So yes, absolutely, third party games can rival and even surpass first party games, both visually and from a gameplay experience.
The reason Sony exclusives always LOOK so good is the artiat at places like guerrilla and naughty dog are second to none. They are the ILM and Weta of their field. These guys are the tippy top at getting fantastic results out of the hardware. But it’s nothing to do with the system. J would bet my mortgage on the fact that if they had to design a game for Xbox one, they would do just as good a job.
But there ARE third party devs out there that are pushing the medium forward, and yes, on both systems. RDR2 is arguably one of, if not the best looking game of the generation, and it runs on a base Xbox one. This isn’t hardware, it’s pure talent.
So yes, absolutely, third party games can rival and even surpass first party games, both visually and from a gameplay experience.
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Racer!
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Those third party games are actually developed/optimized for base consoles first, then ported up. Thats why they run so well. Thats also why its important to have as high baseline as possible.
Neo Blaster
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Yes, but you have to agree there's so much a talented developer can do considering time, resources, number of different configurations and hardware limitations. This gen they demanded more memory, next one they want SSDs.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's almost like The Initiative don't even exist (/sarcasm).
A horrible take all around. And throughout the gen Sony will be no different; already they are letting some of their once-exclusives migrate to other platforms and it seems Jim Ryan has an initiative to push for that gradually more aggressively over the next few years.
People who think otherwise are lying to themselves; XBO initially was mocked for the 'TV TV TV' stuff (rightfully so), but PS4 ended up having a very big focus on multimedia its own self. Sony just played coy in marketing that as a chief selling point, but it's all there, just like with XBO. The only thing PS4 is missing is HDMI In.
Much like that, you're going to see Sony do the same when it comes to game streaming throughout the next few years. However unlike Microsoft, they just aren't selling it as a chief selling point in the PS ecosystem...yet. And that will have a knock-on effect with both fans and the media once they actually start aggressively pursuing GaaS, because it'll have been more like Sony weening people into it little by little (and then exponentially diving head-first into that arena), meaning they won't immediately notice it as much.
That's basically the trick: Microsoft is telling you upfront what they want to do in what they see as being the future business model for gaming; Sony wants to sell the public on a more traditional experience but sneak in their own implementation of that future business model piece by piece. Both companies are aiming to do the same thing, but are messaging it differently.
To your other points...those are just flat out wrong. A game's budget doesn't indicate its quality whatsoever. If that were the case, The Order:1886 and Mass Effect:Andromeda would've actually been good games. Instead, one was basically (literally) a movie with last-gen corridor shooting segments thrown in (I'd even compare it more to a rail shooter like the RE Wii games, House of the Dead or Time Crisis, but at least those games didn't pad the content out with an obscene number of cutscenes), and the other was...well...you've seen the memes.
OTOH some of the best games of this gen have been on the smaller scale of budget. Shadow of the Colossus Remake, Crash Team Racing Remake, Sunset Overdrive, Bayonetta 3...these are all games with pretty modest budgets for AA-AAA style affairs. Even games like Resident Evil 7 had a relatively modest budget, I can extent that to would-be games as well that only had demos, like PT. A higher budget doesn't guarantee a better-playing or even better-looking game, it just opens up the opportunity for those things.
But there's been way too many instances of games that use it for superfluous things like insanely stupid marketing campaigns and overpriced VA talent simply because they're a well-known name, when someone way cheaper and lesser-known could probably do the job at least as well if not better.
The Ninja and Shroud deals shouldn't even be factoring into your hot take, because for starters we don't even know how those deals are structured. Very likely they were not paid that money up front, and chances are also likely a partition of the amount is covered in stock options or something to that effect. Not to mention, they are likely being paid the amount split into smaller payments, with the option for MS to "buy out" the rest of the contract if they wish to no longer pursue the partnership.
These are big companies, they have the means to budget their amounts to different projects and initiatives without much any problems. And for simply the fact them getting Ninja and Shroud over to Mixer dropped a hot dump on Twitch's hot head, for that much I'm glad it was done. Twitch is easily one of the worst-programmed sites I've ever used in terms of how the foundation code actually seems to be structured, and rather than fixing the technical side they would rather add more trinkets on top. That isn't even minding the garbage trolling that occurs, or the preference for partnered streamers (to the point of not enforcing TOS on them when they blatantly violate TOS), etc. Maybe you should ask Ninja and Shroud about Twitch's incompetence before laying the blame on MS for giving them an option.
And I don't know what you are getting at by their games being "hot garbage"; it's one thing if those games don't appeal to you but titles like the Forza games, they score very well and have a pretty hefty audience of gearheads who like those games, either in addition or in preference over titles like Gran Turismo. Sunset Overdrive reviewed well, but had bad marketing. Titanfall did well enough both in reception and sales to garner a sequel. Gears 5 has seemingly done well in reception and market performance. Halo: Infinite seems like it's going to try taking that IP in some fresh new direction. Project:Mara is the best proof-case of next-gen raytracing I've seen from either MS or Sony thus far. Flight Simulator is literally the only game of its ilk on the market and for airplane aficionados, has crazy amounts of true-to-life physics accuracy and depth.
Slinging around this "they're hot garbage" nonsense smells like a fanboy tantrum where you simply can't be modest and say "those games aren't my taste". Which is what I do with a lot of Sony's cinematic games, honestly. I can appreciate the skill that goes into them, and the fanbases they have. But for myself personally, I think a good number of those games have flaws in their design that impacts their depth and playability compared to other similar games, and if I'm measuring their impact in terms of the narrative, they lose out to actual films with similar subject matter (since they want to emulate films in that way, why not compare their narrative to film ones?).
But that doesn't lead me to call them "hot garbage". The closest I did to that was with Death Stranding, but that one was more due to them barely showing any substantial gameplay for the longest time, and Kojima being a bit of a pretentious dick between doing constant photo-ops with Hollywood celebs and musicians (in place of talking about the game), and trying to get political in interviews promoting the game. People who've actually played the game says its good to great and has strong crafting mechanics, I'm willing to believe them. It's probably not a game for me but I'll respect it and give it its props.
You guys really need to learn how to do the same.
Both systems will have SSDs so I don't see how that will be a point a contention. All we know of both is that the two systems will have custom SSD access similar to AMD's SSG card line where the SSD can serve as a memory-mapped cache.
We know NOTHING else about them specifically, except for pieces of hints that could or could not be true. That includes their speed and bandwidth.
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But this isn’t even true. People just like to keep repeating the “hold games back” narrative. It’s totally BS, and just console fanboy stuff.
There are plenty of multi platform games doing very impressive things with both graphics and physics all while being able to scale to a wide range of hardware. To claim otherwise is to be lying to yourself.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Technology will always present new ways to make new experiences. Both consoles have SSDs and the PS5 won’t offer anything they SX can’t do. Speed is irrelevant here, because the SX is already going to be using an SSD that’s quick enough to do what you want.
Now, if the PS5 had an SSD and the SX didn’t, I could understand the concern there. A classic mechanical HDD is nowhere near as good as an SSD.
Truth is, if you want new experiences, both consoles will give those. If you want new experiences new technology can give, both will be the same. It’s all down to the developers.
But reset assured that a good dev will get more out of things than an inadequate one, and that’s my main concern with regards to the games and not the technology. MS have shown to be on the right track with their purchases and ideas for first party, but we want more ND, SSM and the like, and less, well, 343, who seem to be totally out of their scope and I have no idea why.
Search my old posts to see SSD differences and their impacts on things with the coming generation, I won’t type it again lol.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
I just want GTA 6 is that so much to ask?
it_wasn't_me
Banned
If you want to VR to grow, then you need start developing one and games for it. Take some risks. VR won't grow like a mushroom by itself
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Ms and their ever growing ignorance of VR really annoys me...
Well we've made it roughly another 300 pages. We think it prudent just to re-iterate the below that was dropped earlier. There are a few tertiary arguments causing fires which aren't blowing out as fast as we'd hope and some people are just having a bit of difficulty stepping back and maybe moving on from the less important debates.
Similarly, some people are hellbent on bringing in arguments or debates that deserve their own topic and not the back and forth derailment that is being caused. If the obvious derailment attempts continue then these users will be removed. Just because this thread has a lot of activity does not mean it's the best place to drop hot-takes. To pluck a non existent example for guidance, if someone was persistently to bring up a topic about whether an executive or marketing rep. has previously lied about features, or made a faux pas when making a public commitment to a subset of power/features then we would consider that an obvious attempt at derailing the thread. The subject and matter are fine, but start a topic pertaining specifically to that please.
There will be times when passing comments will be made in context that are fine, but we don't expect those to cause console/brand wars that span multiple pages. This is something we would expect to be self moderated, the onus of knowing when to step back we ask you to recognise in good faith. We really don't want to over moderate these threads as we love the whipped up excitement and frenzy as much as everyone. At this time, we feel just this little nudge/note will be enough to rattle the gremlins out so we haven't taken any action with regards to this intervention specifically
Similarly, some people are hellbent on bringing in arguments or debates that deserve their own topic and not the back and forth derailment that is being caused. If the obvious derailment attempts continue then these users will be removed. Just because this thread has a lot of activity does not mean it's the best place to drop hot-takes. To pluck a non existent example for guidance, if someone was persistently to bring up a topic about whether an executive or marketing rep. has previously lied about features, or made a faux pas when making a public commitment to a subset of power/features then we would consider that an obvious attempt at derailing the thread. The subject and matter are fine, but start a topic pertaining specifically to that please.
There will be times when passing comments will be made in context that are fine, but we don't expect those to cause console/brand wars that span multiple pages. This is something we would expect to be self moderated, the onus of knowing when to step back we ask you to recognise in good faith. We really don't want to over moderate these threads as we love the whipped up excitement and frenzy as much as everyone. At this time, we feel just this little nudge/note will be enough to rattle the gremlins out so we haven't taken any action with regards to this intervention specifically
Neo Blaster
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Optimization, pal, it's just logical. Of course, if every developer had the luxury of having as much time to deliver a game, as much money in their pockets and as much talent as Rockstar, every game would be a wonder.
TherapistGaymer
Banned
Please bear with me here, but how do any of you see this as a good interview. I smell everything they are cooking and the recipe isn't enticing. Again, I'm asking with wanting to understand how others aren't catching how some of these responses or horrible psychological marketing responses. If you are going to manipulate me at least do it well.
Neo Blaster
Member
That's one example for my point, a PS5 exclusive could totally benefit from SSD, but a game for SX is constrained by the One S/X mechanical drive.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
GTAV was a last gen game.
Now think of what Rockstar developers can do with SSD consoles.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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I actually took a leak recently. It was quite refreshing.
You mean like a good cross-section of posters on that site?
Whether Capcom could afford to make and market a SFV is less relevant. It's more to do with whether they WOULD be willing to do so in light of the commercial risk involved.
We're living in an unfortunate post-fighting game world, where games outside of the pro-gaming sphere aren't that successful in terms of sales. And contrary to popular belief, SF despite being an iconic and historic brand, doesn't have the same appeal among the newer generation of gamers raised on Naruto and DBZ than those of us who played SF at the arcades in the good ol days.
SFV happened because Sony was willing to share a huge portion of the financial burden of not only making the game but marketing it, which significantly reduces the commercial risk for the publisher Capcom; meaning that from a financial perspective, the project needs to sell only a fraction of the projected copies to cover the publisher's costs.
On Sony's side, gaining such an iconic brand as an exclusive is more than worth the risk, as being a platform holder the economics of financing development projects aren't as rudimentary as a simple financial ROI calculation. There's both a platform library and overall brand investment that in most cases is more important to a platform holder than whether a single title makes money (especially given the sheer volume of platform revenues generated by PSN that would more than adequately amortise any development costs for single titles that fail on the market).
Expect to see more deals like this signed by both MS and Sony.
And in many cases they're good for gamers, as I would personally love to see dead franchises, considered by their publishers to be too risky, come back as exclusives than simply not come back at all.
E.g. A new Lost Planet that follows on from LP2 as a PS exclusive would be much better than no LP at all.
TherapistGaymer
Banned
"Players at the center, giving them all these possibilities". Did you really just requote their marketing words. Man I'm trying so hard not to say too much. I don't care if it was Sony either. You can't be this easily lead right?
Whitecrow
Banned
You arent the only one.
To my understanding, is clear. You cant lose a competition if there's no competition to start with.
So that's why they are saying all the BS they can to make clear that they are following a different path than Sony.
But people is free to understand that however they want. Admitting defeat, or change strategy because... well, reasons.
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Deleted member 775630
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I'm just literally saying what Microsoft is saying, and explaining what that means. I never said I agree with them... This is just their vision for gaming. Instead of saying that it's nonsense and marketing BS, maybe explain why. Now you're just calling something shit, but you don't give any explanation on why this is the case.
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