Shmunter
Member
Unfortunately it’s not micro enough. To fit 4k worth of leds into a panel it needs to be something ridiculous size wise. More than 100” from memory.
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We've All Been Duped by LED LCD's Input Lag vs OLED for Gaming - Here's the Truth
marquimvfs
Member
I bet that most or people here claiming that they didn't experienced any form of burn in are wrong. It's probably happening, but isn't severe and wasn't noticed.
Arioco
Member
No, it's not new, your CX already has it. Search the difference modes of motion interpolation.
Rea
Member
Currently I don't see any judder/stutter issue that you mentioned after the latest firmware update. I have A80j as my main tv for watching movies and for my Ps5. The only issue i currently having is the static logo dimming problem, but that's just happened when playing games with static HUD. It's mainly to prevent burn-in so i can live with that.
The upscaling doesn't look oversharpen, my brother has Cx and when i watch on his TV, it just looks blurry whether in motion or static image. The XR also has some issues regarding 4k120hz, but right now it is fixed.
You're the only one i see who saying XR chip is a step back for everything other than HDR and C1 is overall better.
But the fact is that Sony is just better when it comes to watching movies or image processing, C1 is better when someone wants pure gaming features. Many reviewers are saying the same thing.
captainclutch777
Member
Oh god what will I do with my phantom burn in? Wonder if my 65" will fit through my window...
I'm also laughing at the fact that my LCD monitor is the only screen I have burn in issues with. OLED isn't the only magical TV technology that has issues. LCD panels experience burn in and failure over time as well.
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Rea
Member
Have to mention that my Samsung S20 has burn-in coz afew months ago i spent alot of time on Neogaf and that fucking neogaf logo is stuck on my screen.
Now i only come to gaf for some updates once in a while.
marquimvfs
Member
I didn't mean to be offensive or disrespectful, I do believe that. See, most of the time someone's tv is turned on, it's displaying some form of image and that alone make it hard to notice. Have you clicked some of the links that show burn in those screens? It's a specific grey tone designed to show that. If someone is interested in putting that image in their tv, probably they will see some small pattern that isn't visible otherwise. That's exactly the point, it's not visible on normal use on most cases.
And about burn in presence in other display technologies, you're absolutely right. Even CRTs have them. But it wasn't a problem so severe as the one we see at oled panels. On CRT, for example, the same image needed to be showed on the same sceeen for the entire day for almost a decade, like a supermarket software or an ATM, for the image to be partially burned on screen.
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Fare thee well
Neophyte
Jesus. Hard to get the gauge of truth on this subject matter for someone who is genuinely curious. Everyone is so defensive lol. I guess I'll roll into a Best Buy and just compare some day. If someone wanted to try an OLED monitor what's the best way to do it? I've heard some TVs do what some over-priced 'computer' OLEDs do? Is that true also?
StateofMajora
Banned
Just to clarify, I never said the upscaling on LG was better, and you are correct that it's blurry in comparison.
However, I was comparing to old Sony's, which have even better upscaling. None of the AI sharpened weirdness.
Motion is huge for me, and you get the lower input lag on c1, and Sony was missing hgig support etc. etc. When comparing an XR chip TV side by side with X1/X1 extreme chip TV, you may see the judder. If not you probably aren't sensitive to it.
It's like a pick your poison thing. Relativity poor motion on A80J, or poor scaling/gradation on C1. And both oleds have uinformity woes, and things like pink tint. NEITHER tv is good enough for me, but if I had to choose, i'd choose a C1, and then just use any non 4k gaming on my bravia x900e with x1 chip. Which is stupid, so I have just stuck with my x900e which has great motion and scaling/gradation.
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Jigga117
Member
Damn,,,,Mofos still pushing this shit? LMFAO
Jigga117
Member
So have cellphones, other brand tvs and alot more electronic products in the history of electronic products hooked to bad outlets and/or recieving surges. Great entertainment though.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Middle? What content would be constantly in the middle. Does not seem like content burn in but heat. Most heat in the middle.
My C7. A TV not even 6 years old that I paid over $2000 for with a big burn-in shit stain in the middle of the screen amongst others. You can listen to these dudes in here try to downplay burn-in if you want.
Anyway. 6 years is a fuck ton. I don’t plan to keep using tv as a monitor for 6 years. I am sure it will last 2 or 3 and that’s all I need. I am also sure lg improved the design and anti burn in features. In fact these tvs kinda get more uniform with time at least for first months because of pixel uniformity.
48” c1 is 1k now. You can have best possible image quality and hdr for at least few years or shit lcd forever. I would be buying this shit if it exploded after guaranteed 6 months
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
CRTs had radiation, strobing, we’re dim, even worse burn in and were huge. I have one still for some old games and I think oled is about million times betterBest were CRTs. I remember there were no lag issues, no brightens issues, no burn in issues.
Now? I don't wanna think about it. Even when I am extremely annoyed with my Bravia and upper screen being dimmed issue. I have enough headache.
CRT....
Rea
Member
I have x900f in my bed room, and i agree, lcd tends to look smoother but more blurry in motion in comparison with OLED, due to the nature of OLED. Right now i prefer OLED sharper image with better contrast. And my A80J destroyed X900F in everything, not even close.
A80J also has some artifacts when "film mode = high" and "smoothness=1 or more" according to Vicent from Hdtv.
Maybe that issue is due to the old firmware, but right now after the latest update, i don't see any artifacts. Sony also fixes banding issue with 4k120hz.
My Point is, those issues can be addressed with firmware update and nothing to do with the XR processor. C1 also having issue currently with their HDR but LG promised to fix with firmware update.
You favor LG because of your gaming priorities and i fully understand that C1 is king if someone wants a tv with full gaming features, however C1 is not overall better than A80j.
Mister Wolf
Member
A desktop wallpaper. Do you see the taskbar icons burned in at the bottom as well?
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Why would you leave it on desktop? Why not have random wallpaper every 1 minute and blank black screensaver?
Rossco EZ
Member
because he’s stupid
GymWolf
Member
Yeah plasma were great, i loved my vt20 and i always wanted a piooner kuro.
cireza
Member
But not for motion clarity, which is an essential thing for video-games.
Mister Wolf
Member
Why can't I just use a $2000+ display like every other display I've ever used in my entire life. Many that were cheaper yet funny enough more durable. I gotta coddle a TV now? Fuck OLED.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I mean, it's way better at motion clarity than LCD.
IMO it's comparabe to crt. I have 120hz crt.
It's worse than crt but close.
GymWolf
Member
Who the hell look at his desktop with fixed icons for hours without doing nothing?!
Shmunter
Member
I do things while my taskbar is pinned to the bottom. For hours.
Is hiding the taskbar the latest craze now?
GymWolf
Member
Hiding the bar when not in use is the only thing that i had to do and it's hardly a compromise or craze, it appear when you put the mouse on it ffs.
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Shmunter
Member
Must suck. Would hate that personally. My 32” curved beast is an info centre of productivity. I didn’t go for realestate to hide shit.
GymWolf
Member
You need to see the taskbar all the time?
For me it doesn't suck because to use a pc for gaming\mediaplayer\internet browsing i don't need to have the task bar always under control.
It's literally a non-thing for the majority of people, you still have to move the mouse down to select the window that you want to open from the task bar and when i do that it magically appear with no delay, it was a feature in windows well before oled were a thing so people actully use it even if they are not "forced".
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It's currently down to something like 85'' and that reduction has happened over the past year and half, once it gets to 55'' it should be golden for most to adopt.
Shmunter
Member
Different use cases in that case. It’s all work and no play on the pc for me. I use cool toys to create zones so I can pin multiple apps around the screen without flipping for them. I really thrive on seeing everything in my view.
Shmunter
Member
Didn’t know that. It definitely needs to shrink to be viable across the range. If it can’t be widely adopted the price will remain too high for a consumer product.
Kuranghi
Member
Yeah as I understand it they have problems with reducing the pixel pitch any further without increasing manufacturing cost massively and/or compromising the per pixel dimming, since its partly achieved by the subpixels being a tiny proportion of the overall pixel area:
Sony's Canvas Display -- Best of Show at InfoComm 2016?
I can’t really crown Sony's CLEDIS display my best of show winner, as I have only been here one day and have not seen all the cool stuff yet - but this one will be hard to top. It truly is a new display category, as it is the first commercial product using a new class of LEDs: microLEDs (although So
www.ravepubs.com
Thats specifically about Sony Crystal LED Integrated Structure though (now called just Sony Crystal LED I think) and I don't know if the consumer tech, whenever it comes will be the same as that.
I don't think the Samsung "The Wall" MicroLED display they keep pretending will come over every year is the same thing or not, but they got that down to 75" I believe. I think 65" minimum is going to be fine since the price will be so crazy that people buying it will have the space or make space for it specially.
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GymWolf
Member
If used strictly for work i get it, but who the hell buy a 55 panel or bigger screen for desk/office work?! Don't you get neck pain and sored eyes for using such a big screen from up close?!
You are using a 32" so i'm trying to understand the scenarios presented in this very topic where someone buy a big ass oled tv to:
-Watch the desktop icons for hours to no end without doing anything else because reasons
-do office\desk work in a gigantic monitor from up close
Not gonna lie, majority of people probably don't use tv oled for those type of usage, and that's why they are so successful even if everyone and their mother knows about burn in risks.
Catphish
Member
Man. I thought console threads were full of whiny manbabies. The reactions of people to slights of their tv like someone kicked their fucking mom...
I've been doing research on OLED v QLED for the last week or so, because I don't know shit about them, and am trying to make sure I know what I'm doing before dropping $2k+ on this madness.
I think I've read through three different TV threads on GAF, including this one. Some good info, but christ does one have to sift through a fuckton of shit-talking to find it.
In the end, I've decided to wait to see what next year brings. I was near-sold on the QN90A, but the lack of 2.1 HDMI ports and apparent likelihood of DSE is more risk than I'm willing to take.
We'll see what next year brings. In the meantime...
I've been doing research on OLED v QLED for the last week or so, because I don't know shit about them, and am trying to make sure I know what I'm doing before dropping $2k+ on this madness.
I think I've read through three different TV threads on GAF, including this one. Some good info, but christ does one have to sift through a fuckton of shit-talking to find it.
In the end, I've decided to wait to see what next year brings. I was near-sold on the QN90A, but the lack of 2.1 HDMI ports and apparent likelihood of DSE is more risk than I'm willing to take.
We'll see what next year brings. In the meantime...
GymWolf
Member
I think people just doesn't want fud spreading.Man. I thought console threads were full of whiny manbabies. The reactions of people to slights of their tv like someone kicked their fucking mom...
I've been doing research on OLED v QLED for the last week or so, because I don't know shit about them, and am trying to make sure I know what I'm doing before dropping $2k+ on this madness.
I think I've read through three different TV threads on GAF, including this one. Some good info, but christ does one have to sift through a fuckton of shit-talking to find it.
In the end, I've decided to wait to see what next year brings. I was near-sold on the QN90A, but the lack of 2.1 HDMI ports and apparent likelihood of DSE is more risk than I'm willing to take.
We'll see what next year brings. In the meantime...
I don't think that people give 2 fucks if samsung sell 10x times the quantity of led compared to sony\lg oled, i know i don't...
cireza
Member
I totally disagree with this. And I still own a top condition CRT so I can easily compare motion clarity between CRT and LCD OLED. OLED is nowhere near the perfection that CRT is.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Lol I might've last connected my crt last year... but I plays since 90s.
I've experienced years of crt monitors. I still think oled looks better. Motion or not.
If motion is better on crt, I have a hard time seeing it.
I like playing with motion blur anyway - it makes no sense to me not to. Good motion blur is a benefit for me and makes motion seem more natural.
Besides. We went from this (awesome, I try to replay my all games at least once every year or two)
To this:
Even if crt was sucking me off, oled is still better... except for old games made for crt. These use pixels differently like discussed in other crt topic... and my crt does not make pixel games a justice. I think it's too new.
And crt aso had burn in haha.
Anyway - motion is the LEAST complain I would have against OLED.
This looks pretty good. not as good as it could be but better than lcd. Just not better than CRT but it's not that important in real, modern games with motion blur, taa or other tech
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Spoiler: OLED wins yet again.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
The a90j is pretty remarkable. I wasn't willing to pay almost twice the price of a c1 though.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
yeah exactly me neither. And now C1 is 200 euro cheaper than when I got it in march... so I will most likely get c2 next year unless a90j 2 is reasonable and comes in 48'. 55 would be fine too but I don't have enough room on my desk
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Don't forget the c2 will also come in a 42 incher next year. I'm looking to use that as a monitor.yeah exactly me neither. And now C1 is 200 euro cheaper than when I got it in march... so I will most likely get c2 next year unless a90j 2 is reasonable and comes in 48'. 55 would be fine too but I don't have enough room on my desk
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I am not sure if I would want to downscale to 42". I got very used to 48" and it's always harder going down.
Keihart
Member
Yeah, i mean, my set is kinda old, a C8 and i've clocked over 100 hours on Judgement and Death Strading recently (not to mention all the other games over the years, like a bunche of R6S and whatnot), no burn in. I'm still carefull of not letting the screen with pause menus on it or shit like that.
I have around 100 or more hours on GGS too, and that has a pretty static HUD.
cireza
Member
You don't have the choice on LCD/OLED panels anyway
Then this is your problem actually. I don't have any problem seeing the major difference in clarity between a CRT, that displays pretty much no motion blur at all, compared to an OLED that still has a ton of it (even if it is better than LCD). We would not be seeing manufacturers trying all sorts of BFI methods (with pretty poor results honestly, you get a super dark screen, duplicating objects etc...) to compensate if OLED had zero problem, by the way.
Any scrolling test, like the one you linked, will display this in the most obvious way.
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GymWolf
Member
Panasonic consistently making great tv.
Mine won the same contest in 2018.
It's a pity that you americans only have sony or lg for oled to chose.
Keihart
Member
The lack of motion blur is actually the problem with OLEDs, the change pixels to fast, all the smothing stuff is actually to fill up this.You don't have the choice on LCD/OLED panels anyway
Then this is your problem actually. I don't have any problem seeing the major difference in clarity between a CRT, that displays pretty much no motion blur at all, compared to an OLED that still has a ton of it (even if it is better than LCD). We would not be seeing manufacturers trying all sorts of BFI methods (with pretty poor results honestly, you get a super dark screen, duplicating objects etc...) to compensate if OLED had zero problem, by the way.
Any scrolling test, like the one you linked, will display this in the most obvious way.
Excess
Member
Sony OLED's always had the best television and movie picture quality.
The reason to continue buying LG is that they cater to gamers. Ironic that Sony does not, considering their biggest department in revenue is PlayStation.
spookyfish
Member
Huh. Guess after five months it goes away, as my LGOLEDE6 doesn’t have any discernible burn-in. (I run panel clear all the time.)
spookyfish
Member
Also: Sony’s OLED panels are made by LG. Always have been.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
it doesn’t matter what ever anecdotal situation anyone wants to put forth.
EACH PIXEL DEGRADES AT DIFFERENT RATES AND EACH ONE HAS A FINITE LIFE SPAN.
That alone is irrefutable
That means they get dimmer at different rates which causes a form of “ burn in “. They stop functioning as well at different rates which causes screen uniformity issues which greatly affects solid colored screens over time
thoses are facts of oleds.. Of course different people will get different mileage depending on use cases.
some people turn down the brightness which extends the life span but at the cost of a darker image.
some people just don’t use their TVs as much which is great if you can do that but it still doesn’t mean that it will never have those issues.
my situation was that my wife and kids left the tv on channels with logos and black bars for days at a time. After about 5 months you could clearly see the shape of the black bars and logos. That’s because the pixels in between the black bars got a lot more use so they became noticeably dimmer.
same as my plasma back in the day black bars and news channels killed it pretty quickly.
really my wife’s inability to turn off a tv is a big issue for me.
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