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Other M deserves better
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Fuck that shit. I love MGS but think Other M looks awful.
Kai Dracon
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Other M's story is no worse than 90% of video game stories, including "matoor" western developed games. I never had a problem with it.
IMO most of the outrage was due to Metroid being a sacred cow, combined with a dash of "you can't please fans" - story aside, half the audience wanted 2D Metroid only and hated Prime, and half the audience was "new blood" who wanted Prime 4 and felt anything else was regressive.
Honestly, I felt it was an interesting experiment and ended up being a fairly unique action adventure game compared to most anything out there. The only thing I'd change in it were the first person view "find the hidden object" scenes, as those did seem ill-conceived, or at least executed in the wrong way.
It's not as epic as a Prime game, and it's not as elaborate a 2D Metroid as Super Metroid or Metroid Fusion. Yet as a one-off it remains a very good game, and quality action adventure title.
IMO most of the outrage was due to Metroid being a sacred cow, combined with a dash of "you can't please fans" - story aside, half the audience wanted 2D Metroid only and hated Prime, and half the audience was "new blood" who wanted Prime 4 and felt anything else was regressive.
Honestly, I felt it was an interesting experiment and ended up being a fairly unique action adventure game compared to most anything out there. The only thing I'd change in it were the first person view "find the hidden object" scenes, as those did seem ill-conceived, or at least executed in the wrong way.
It's not as epic as a Prime game, and it's not as elaborate a 2D Metroid as Super Metroid or Metroid Fusion. Yet as a one-off it remains a very good game, and quality action adventure title.
Is this going to lead to another thread where you hyperbolically rave about the "text logs" in Metroid Prime and how they changed your life? But Other M was much more ambitious than Prime. Prime stuffed Metroid into a mechwarrior movement FPS and ultimately made a quality game out of it. Other M really tried to render an actual acrobatic 3D Samus but some cumbersome decisions spoiled the potential grandeur. Between Prime 3 and Other M. I think neither are great examples of what the franchise is capable of.
I am completely dumbfounded by the lunacy people make up about the story. The story is actually rather short and simple, and mostly demonstrative through short sentences than some of the horrid offenders in the universe. It is completely forgettable and a capable of tolerating if you want to play the actual game. This isn't Metal Gear Solid 4 or Final Fantasy XIII.
Thank you so much! I've been looking for this for years.
I don't know!
The game made several dumb choices for it, gameplay and story wise.
-They made Samus retarded enough not to activate her Varia suits heat during the lava section, and Adam only activates it DURING THE BOSS FIGHT.
-On top of that, where is no real reason why Samus did not need to leave The Wave beam, Grapple beam or anything of those other non-lethal weapons and abilities until a specific time.
-Samus shits her pants seeing Ridley, when she could of seen that coming a mile away because A) she's already fought the damn thing several times, so it shouldn't be odd to expect the worst, B) she should of already made the connection when the dumb Furby thing turned into a giant furry lizard during the attack in the jungle land.
-The where's waldo parts are dumb, some times you have to find a specific icon on a ship 100 feet away, or a patch of slightly darker grass!
there's other stuff, but I can't really remember much of the rest, because I sold it!
really hope Nintendo doesn't leave it to dead because of one awful game in the series.
The game made several dumb choices for it, gameplay and story wise.
-They made Samus retarded enough not to activate her Varia suits heat during the lava section, and Adam only activates it DURING THE BOSS FIGHT.
-On top of that, where is no real reason why Samus did not need to leave The Wave beam, Grapple beam or anything of those other non-lethal weapons and abilities until a specific time.
-Samus shits her pants seeing Ridley, when she could of seen that coming a mile away because A) she's already fought the damn thing several times, so it shouldn't be odd to expect the worst, B) she should of already made the connection when the dumb Furby thing turned into a giant furry lizard during the attack in the jungle land.
-The where's waldo parts are dumb, some times you have to find a specific icon on a ship 100 feet away, or a patch of slightly darker grass!
there's other stuff, but I can't really remember much of the rest, because I sold it!
really hope Nintendo doesn't leave it to dead because of one awful game in the series.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Other M had potential. It just didn't quite workout. Still a good game. No matter what though, Sakamoto has complete say as to what happens next to the franchise. I personally think they should do a Metroid 1-4 HD/3D anthology.
It's my controversial opinion that almost all of the outrage over this game is fake, and all really boils down to betrayed fanboys not being given the character they'd spent the last 20 years conjuring in their heads.
Storyline? Fake.
Linearity? Fake.
Feminist outcry? Fake.
Gameplay complaints? Fake.
Had Prime 1 been released with OM's blathering Samus in - I suspect people would have reacted in exactly the same way. The game would've become a pariah and we'd have JPEGs of a completely different set of irrelevant "flaws" trying to pick apart the game in precisely the same wrong-headed attempts at retribution.
Jorok Goldblade
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To OP:
The franchise and gamers everywhere deserved better than Sakamoto's shit-in-a-box that greeted me when I unsealed the packaging.
You also missed the fact that scanning without any form of clue system resulted in a blind pixel hunt that ultimately resulted in extreme player frustration.
sure is easier to call the people on the opposite side of an argument "fakes" instead of actually having an opposing argument.
Also, yeah, if they put the dumb things in Other M into Metroid Prime, then people wouldn't have liked it as much.
Because they're dumb.
P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqFm1ei6mjo
As usual I don't need to say anything, you said it all.
I just want to get one thing clear, I'm a huge Metroid Prime Trilogy fanboy.
The Super Metroid powerups complaint is really reaching. It's a sequel to Super Metroid, and though they could have brought something new, but to say that the game is bad because they didn't introduce anything new is ridiculous.
Authorization system is self-explanatory in the game. Epilogue boss fight was just there, and that's it. Doesn't make the game worse or better.
Everything else in the pic I agree with (though I don't remember the music, which is probably a bad thing), especially the secrets and gameplay, except for the part it says the enemies are ugly. They look like their Super Metroid counterparts.
Don't write-off some legitimate complaints like that. Some may be injected with hyperbole, but may still have a point.
I'll be honest, the storyline, I pretty much ignored it. It wasn't good though, but the whole "the baby" thing has been exaggerated, though it has led to very funny pics lol.
Linearity is totally not fake. The game leads you through a straight-forward path. Only way you can get stuck is if you don't remember how to do something.
Feminist outcry I found overexaggerated. There are other male soldiers there following Adam's orders. Only thing I would partially agree with this is how she reacted towards Ridley, which I will get to later on.
Gameplay is where the biggest flaw is for me. It was easy. Shoot->shoot->shoot->tap dodge->shoot->shoot->and repeat. No need to aim like in any other Metroid.
And now character...
I would like you to compare this, and then this.
Both of them involve facing Ridley, but one is not like other.
I think some of those things on the image is really reaching. One thing Other M does really well is graphics and it's environments looked really good, though not as Prime good, that doesn't mean they were bad.To OP:
The franchise and gamers everywhere deserved better than Sakamoto's shit-in-a-box that greeted me when I unsealed the packaging.
The Super Metroid powerups complaint is really reaching. It's a sequel to Super Metroid, and though they could have brought something new, but to say that the game is bad because they didn't introduce anything new is ridiculous.
Authorization system is self-explanatory in the game. Epilogue boss fight was just there, and that's it. Doesn't make the game worse or better.
Everything else in the pic I agree with (though I don't remember the music, which is probably a bad thing), especially the secrets and gameplay, except for the part it says the enemies are ugly. They look like their Super Metroid counterparts.
Don't write-off some legitimate complaints like that. Some may be injected with hyperbole, but may still have a point.
I'll be honest, the storyline, I pretty much ignored it. It wasn't good though, but the whole "the baby" thing has been exaggerated, though it has led to very funny pics lol.
Linearity is totally not fake. The game leads you through a straight-forward path. Only way you can get stuck is if you don't remember how to do something.
Feminist outcry I found overexaggerated. There are other male soldiers there following Adam's orders. Only thing I would partially agree with this is how she reacted towards Ridley, which I will get to later on.
Gameplay is where the biggest flaw is for me. It was easy. Shoot->shoot->shoot->tap dodge->shoot->shoot->and repeat. No need to aim like in any other Metroid.
And now character...
I would like you to compare this, and then this.
Both of them involve facing Ridley, but one is not like other.
You're right. That Prime 3 one rocks. The music and his entrance is awesome. Just swooping down and acting animal-like attacking Samus the moment he hits the ground. Samus rolls out of the way, gets up, eyes his weak spot, and is like "Here we go again."
*boss fight*
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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*closes tab*
Yup, and she is surprised, but shows courage. Other M on the other hand...
Littlegator
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I honestly don't get how every bandwagoned on this. It's a solid little game. Yeah, the story was out of line from the Metroid canon, and the 3 pixel hunts were kind of annoying, but the rest of the game was very fun. But I guess everyone can't get over THE BABY to actually fucking judge the game.
evilromero
Member
Totally disagree. Prime 3 is still a great game despite its Halo-esque opening. After about thirty minutes it falls back into pure Metroid territory. And the problem with the Other M story isn't that it exists. It's that it shattered our understanding of the characters that we had gown up with for 25 years. It just didn't suit Metroid.
mugurumakensei
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Metroid Other M is the only good Metroid on a home console in the past 13 years.
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slightconfuse
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Metrioid Deserves better
Magicpaint
Member
I actually wish the godawful story and THE BABY was the only thing wrong with this game.
Yeah, you should always back up you points with evidence. When most of the complaints against Other M involve people just spouting "The baby", which is only really mentioned during the intro, one can't help but suspect those people never played past the intro or they had already made up their mind to hate the game by then.
I think a big factor in coloring people's perception of the game was the bullshit sexism argument from G4 that came out just at launch. The game does have some sexist issues, mainly involving the redesigned zero suit and its high heels, but the plot and character elements the game expresses could have been done with any genders. The G4 argument completely fell apart the minute that they admitted that the sexist issues would go away if Adam was female. That means their own argument was sexist; that a man can't be in a position of authority with a female of lower rank without being some kind of sexist power dynamic.
People often cry foul that Samus went through a hot environment without her varia suit because Daddy Adam forced her to, but it was just their excuse for doling out the powerups. If they knew people were going to care so much about it, they could have added a throwaway line that the varia suit might exude deadly radiation or something; it was a contrivance. Nobody got upset when Samus went on her mission in Super Metroid having left all of her powerups at home. It was still better than her tripping over a power cord in Metroid Prime and having a suit malfunction.
Edit: That video argues that Adam had no organization authority over Samus, but he did. They both work for the Galactic Federation, Adam is higher ranking, and his team was first on site. Samus' only options were to leave or follow orders. Sure, she could have just ignored Adam and committed treason, but that's not really her style. Before Fusion she was totally a military dog.
The game was pretty much ripping off the plot and characterization of Aliens. Ripley's PTSD. Ripley's maternal drive with Newt after essentially losing her own child. It was just overly wordy.
Metroid: Other M has two hours of unskippable cutscenes. That's no MGS4, but for comparison, it's a half-hour more than Uncharted 2's full length of non-interactive cinematics.
Whether or not it's good or bad, it's pretty substantial.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Okay if the story should be completely ignored, the pixel hunts should be ignored, the linearity should be forgiven and the battle system is at best competent, what is even the good meat of the experience then? Is the game's ingenious innovation of massive cone-shaped auto-aim range a truly redeeming feature?
Has anyone mentioned how there are some parts of the game where your actual location does not reflect how it indicates you are on the map? And the fact that her basic yellow Power Suit at the beginning is just a recolored Varia Suit model?
There were also those slow behind-shoulder camera segments that teased you of a much potentially better game, reminding you of RE4 but for whatever reason never actually letting you SHOOT.
The game is such a hodgepodge of disjointed horrible ideas, it seems like the Other M apologists can simply point to whatever single idea they happened to enjoy and say "come on that other 90% doesn't really matter the REAL part of the game is GREAT!"
Has anyone mentioned how there are some parts of the game where your actual location does not reflect how it indicates you are on the map? And the fact that her basic yellow Power Suit at the beginning is just a recolored Varia Suit model?
There were also those slow behind-shoulder camera segments that teased you of a much potentially better game, reminding you of RE4 but for whatever reason never actually letting you SHOOT.
The game is such a hodgepodge of disjointed horrible ideas, it seems like the Other M apologists can simply point to whatever single idea they happened to enjoy and say "come on that other 90% doesn't really matter the REAL part of the game is GREAT!"
Littlegator
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PokéKong;46630700 said:
I'm not saying the game is great. I'm saying the game is decent. It's worth a play. GAF acts like it's a total abomination and travesty.
PokéKong;46630700 said:
The game is flawed, but not enough to warrant the amount of hate it receives. My argument has always been not that the game is great, but that it's not nearly as bad as the hyperbolic arguments against it and is at worst acceptable. Mainly I'm just against the bad arguments that tend to pop up with this game.
On Samus' suit: this game was supposed to introduce new players to Samus or something and the decision was made that her orange and yellow Varia suit was her most iconic appearance and that any upgrades would not alter that appearance. Basically they thought their audience was too dumb much in the same way that Rick Berman thought audiences would be too dumb to recognize that a person in a photo was a young Jean Luc Picard from his days as a Starfleet cadet unless he was bald.
it doesn't look great........it's a 2010 wii title that's as technically good as a 2001 cube title, without the strong art direction of that title.
The music is forgettable....and the voice acting is bad.
and as for playing great? This is definitely the most subjective part. Samus is more agile than she was in prime, but the game has barely any good exploration, and gives you everything on a silver platter.
I liked the backtracking in the metroid series, even if it meant a shitload of experimentation before I figured out the best way to do something.
other m does all that for you, no thinking required.
People throw around the word hyperbole like it is candy at a candy store. To some people, like me, when we criticize this game we fuckin' mean it. No hyperbole.
bad arguements? I haven't seen any bad ones. I've seen subjective arguements, yes, but subjectivity goes both ways and if someone here loves it, i'm not going to say that they indeed didn't enjoy it........because, well, you know, I can't control what people like and dislike.
Neff
Member
How about a criticism that everyone could agree on? Like, "this bug makes you have to reset", or "this section is impossible without cheats", or "this part doesn't work like it should", rather than going back and forth between esoteric preferences?
You'd think it'd be easy, wouldn't you?
In lieu of virtual space girlfriend character assassination teeth-gnashing, the game seems to have done ok with the press.
You'd think it'd be easy, wouldn't you?
In lieu of virtual space girlfriend character assassination teeth-gnashing, the game seems to have done ok with the press.
scorpscarx
Member
Who gives a shit about the story in Metroid game, the other's didn't really have a story, so I just ignored this one. Actually I found it interesting they tried to actually have a narrative in the first place.
That said the gameplay was fun but I do agree the game is hot trash overall.
That said the gameplay was fun but I do agree the game is hot trash overall.
Littlegator
Banned
Your complaints are far more valid than most. For instance, the people posting BABY gifs or the guy on the first page who read "I think it deserves more respect" and posted "*closes tab*." There's this monstrous hate machine for the game when it's mediocre at worst.
And still, your complaints are about how its mechanics make it a poor Metroid game, but not a poor game. It doesn't have exploration or item hunting. Neither does Halo.
People are trying to fit a new type of game into a metroidvania shaped hole and complaining when it doesn't fit.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
The game was mostly terrible, but I did really enjoy the combat when it didn't invoke the first person shooting. It was a simplistic system, yet the dodging felt quite elegant and worked well with the limitations of the controller setup (which I also enjoyed because it brought back nostalgic feelings of playing NES Metroid under the covers, even though I never actually did that).
Like the hat?
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Other M is my third favorite Metroid game, after Prime and Super.
Littlegator
Banned
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Exactly what I'm talking about.
this is completely subjective, but I haaaaaaaaaaaated the controls.
then again, I hate most motion controlled games. my favorite wii games are ones like mario galaxy where motion is not a hindrance most of the time, or games where you use the classic controller pro. yes, I prefer a normal controller for RE4 even if it means a lot less accuracy.
the only time I liked full motion was in zach and wiki.
Hyperbole has nothing to do with whether or not your opinion is close to what you're saying, it's the use of exaggeration. "The baby" is extremely hyperbolic is the go to argument against this game. There are more reasonable people like you who hate the game, but I'm afraid you're well in the minority.
There are bad objective arguments about the game. When you are stating that something is fact you are not stating a subjective opinion. The sexism arguments are not matters of opinion, nor are arguments about whether her characterization makes sense within the franchise. The game does have flaws in execution, but the underlying content is not bad.
You can still have the opinion that you didn't like it, but opinions can also be formed based on ignorance and bias. Subjectivity isn't an impervious shield to hide behind.
Problem is, that on of the main aspects of this game was the story. They touted it as the first metroid with voice acting and a inspiring story. What we got was pure sexist garbage.
VARIA
Member
This game could have been better if they omitted the cutscenes and let the environment tell the story. Watching Ridley's different stages of evolution was great and could have been a better focus than having a renegade child Mother Brain. They could have opted to have Ridley evolve, then have him take over the station/pirates etc. so much wasted potential all for sticking with the stupid 'mother' theme.
I had fun with the game thanks to the fun combat and great controls but I constantly had the nagging feeling that it could have been so much more.
My biggest gripe though has to be the music. For a franchise that is known for its iconic/atmospheric music this game had awful/forgettable music that was completely out of touch with the rest of the franchise.
Definitely a love/hate relationship for me with this game.
I had fun with the game thanks to the fun combat and great controls but I constantly had the nagging feeling that it could have been so much more.
My biggest gripe though has to be the music. For a franchise that is known for its iconic/atmospheric music this game had awful/forgettable music that was completely out of touch with the rest of the franchise.
Definitely a love/hate relationship for me with this game.
Probably because they ordered a metroid-shaped block and got a triangle...
Vampirolol
Member
I still think that the Ridely part isn't bad at all. He killed her family and her whole people, I know she defeated him like 5 times, but she believed he was finally dead! And we've never seen her feelings behind the helmet in the other games.
The story is meh.
The game sucks. Even the graphisc, bad color choices.
The story is meh.
The game sucks. Even the graphisc, bad color choices.
I don't think any less of people who do enjoy this game. It's not like you're saying that you don't understand why sonic 06 is so hated. Now that game is objectively trash and the only good thing about it is that it made sonic team realize that sonic had hit rock bottom and that they had to genuinely try harder. They made Unleashed, which was a good effort, colors which was great, and generations which was fantastic. sonic 4 episode 2 was fun as well.
Because of sonic 06 I can anticipate a new sonic title optimistically, because they'll never want to do something like that again
This game is subjective almost all the way.
Because of sonic 06 I can anticipate a new sonic title optimistically, because they'll never want to do something like that again
This game is subjective almost all the way.
Before Other M, the Metroid game that most people considered to be the "black sheep" of the franchise was Fusion. It was too narrative driven, too linear, etc.
Other M basically built on all of the elements that fans disliked about Fusion. It was pretty obvious even from back in the E3 trailers that fans were going to hate this game. The fanbase never wanted a linear, story-driven Metroid, myself included.
THE BABY, Ridley freakout, the authorization stuff, etc etc just make hating it easier/more fun.
Other M basically built on all of the elements that fans disliked about Fusion. It was pretty obvious even from back in the E3 trailers that fans were going to hate this game. The fanbase never wanted a linear, story-driven Metroid, myself included.
THE BABY, Ridley freakout, the authorization stuff, etc etc just make hating it easier/more fun.
goldenpp72
Member
Nah, it deserves the hate it gets. Based on my perception here is a comparison (as I have beaten both)
Super Metroid: Samus is a badass, super fast and agile, tons of exploration and secrets, cool mysterious atsmophere, shooting stuff requires some kind of accuracy, tons of depth and smooth sailing feel.
Other M: Hey Samus is a wimp now that happens to still kick ass in a fight, look booty shot! Oh exploring for power ups? Nah just let her man Adam tell her when it's ok to use the powers. Oh what's this you want me to search the screen while locked in place to do a pixel hunt? Oh god another long cutscene with Samus whining, oh god why did they make a game with 3d awkward movement exclusive to the dpad. Why is Samus clunky and much less agile then in the previous 2d Metroids? Why is there auto aim? Oh look a generic finisher that repeats over and over! Oh look yet another cutscene where Samus loses her will to keep her suit on, booty shot! The baby.
Other M is an ok game to play, a 6/10 game, it honestly felt like a title designed on a system with limited 3d capabilities. As if the developers were 'trapped' in a 2d plane but wanted to wow people with 3d moments, perhaps an early Saturn title in feel. Only issue is we've had mainstream 3d for well over a decade. The story is about the worst you can get especially considering what they did to one of the more notorious female leads in gaming. It's worst sin will be if it results in burying this series.
Super Metroid: Samus is a badass, super fast and agile, tons of exploration and secrets, cool mysterious atsmophere, shooting stuff requires some kind of accuracy, tons of depth and smooth sailing feel.
Other M: Hey Samus is a wimp now that happens to still kick ass in a fight, look booty shot! Oh exploring for power ups? Nah just let her man Adam tell her when it's ok to use the powers. Oh what's this you want me to search the screen while locked in place to do a pixel hunt? Oh god another long cutscene with Samus whining, oh god why did they make a game with 3d awkward movement exclusive to the dpad. Why is Samus clunky and much less agile then in the previous 2d Metroids? Why is there auto aim? Oh look a generic finisher that repeats over and over! Oh look yet another cutscene where Samus loses her will to keep her suit on, booty shot! The baby.
Other M is an ok game to play, a 6/10 game, it honestly felt like a title designed on a system with limited 3d capabilities. As if the developers were 'trapped' in a 2d plane but wanted to wow people with 3d moments, perhaps an early Saturn title in feel. Only issue is we've had mainstream 3d for well over a decade. The story is about the worst you can get especially considering what they did to one of the more notorious female leads in gaming. It's worst sin will be if it results in burying this series.
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