12 an hour plus time and a half is nothing to sneeze at. The person getting this job is unlikely to just work weekdays/40 hours a week.
Though yes the roommate situation is pretty much a given.
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$12 per hour the norm for entry-level video game industry positions (@GungHo Online)?
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12 an hour plus time and a half is nothing to sneeze at. The person getting this job is unlikely to just work weekdays/40 hours a week.
Though yes the roommate situation is pretty much a given.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
This thread has taught me that Gungho is surprisingly adept at making basic entry-level positions sound far more impressive than they actually are.
MaximusNeo701
Member
What's the actual title of the position here?
I run into 2 disconnects in a situation like this. Either they have a crappy title and expect you to perform multiple roles and the work you will be doing will be outside of your title. Meaning you are most likely underpaid. Or the job requirements aren't really lining up with what it actually needs.
A 4 yr BS degree to be what looks like a community manager? I didn't read every single line of what you will be doing but it sounds like they want an overqualified person. $12 for a 4 year degree is silly. I'm not an expert in all fields and maybe $18 an hour for an entry level first job I could see that. Also location highly factors into that, I've seen entry level programmers start at $15-$20 an hour and that is a technical job. But the same intern might make twice as much in CA due to cost of living.
I run into 2 disconnects in a situation like this. Either they have a crappy title and expect you to perform multiple roles and the work you will be doing will be outside of your title. Meaning you are most likely underpaid. Or the job requirements aren't really lining up with what it actually needs.
A 4 yr BS degree to be what looks like a community manager? I didn't read every single line of what you will be doing but it sounds like they want an overqualified person. $12 for a 4 year degree is silly. I'm not an expert in all fields and maybe $18 an hour for an entry level first job I could see that. Also location highly factors into that, I've seen entry level programmers start at $15-$20 an hour and that is a technical job. But the same intern might make twice as much in CA due to cost of living.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
A lot of companies put up requirements higher than what is actually needed, to both deter obviously underqualified applicants from bothering to apply and to raise the avreage floor of the applicants who do apply. I've seen this for plenty of positions other than gaming as well.
I've applied to a couple jobs in the past where I didn't meet every single item listed in their "required" list of requirements and still got called for interviews...if your resume is strong enough overall, missing a few bullet points won't matter unless they're absolutely necessary (e.g. you're applying for a network coding related position and have good coding experience everywhere EXCEPT networking).
UnObtainium17
Member
Wow all that skill for 12$ plus you have to live in Cali. Darn thats tough.
MaximusNeo701
Member
That makes sense, as someone who works in the software developmemt industry (not gaming but close.) We will slap every wish we have for a candidate on the description in hopes of finding that unicorn, but should never turn down a strong candidate.
Eventually I learned not to get too crazy with the required list. Otherwise you will never find that candidate. Someone who sticks to an unrealistic set of expectations, provided you feel the list & pay are unrealistic as well, are usually not fun people to work under.
BibiMaghoo
Member
These guys worked two hours a day tops, for half the year. The rest of the time they sat around in their own staff room watching movies. The job could be hard. Theirs was not, and their pay reflected that.
i3allistic
Member
Damn, make just or not same amount as a HS student working at McDonalds or In&Out....why go college?
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
So that you have something a piece of paper.
I know a lot of the work involved. It is multiple jobs rolled into one that do somewhat relate to each other. But they're asking you to preform a multiple amount of tasks that most places would ask 2-3 different people to accomplish but because the workload of these assignments are smaller they're looking for someone who can do multiple smaller projects/work and be skilled in doing all of them.
Even though the jobs are smaller they're still asking A LOT out of one person especially for how little their paying. Just because your giving someone multiple "smaller" projects doesn't mean you should give them a "smaller" pay.
There are some jobs that you need one dedicated worker or two who is well versed in one thing to complete, otherwise your a Anti-Henry Ford.
I've seen similar job postings for Nintendo community managers in the states w/ similar requirements for not much more pay. Believe that was up in Seattle...
From what i've experienced, fluent Japanese is a plus only if you can combine it with other expertise. And even then, stingy as hell companies will screw you over in some shape or form.
From what i've experienced, fluent Japanese is a plus only if you can combine it with other expertise. And even then, stingy as hell companies will screw you over in some shape or form.
TheBryanJZX90
Member
Yeah, I don't know anyone who has struck it rich solely on the basis of Japanese ability. Japanese companies have pretty low salaries across the board. Japanese skill can be a plus if you use it to get a leg up in a field that is already lucrative like finance or law. But otherwise there's going to be a bit of a ceiling to how far you can go just because you speak Japanese.
Sparrowhawk
Member
Jesus. I work retail and make $12/hour. :\
StereoVsn
Gold Member
The pay is terrible, especially with BA requirement. $12 an hour is retail level or even less in NYC/LA/SF. It is completely ridiculous. Man, this actually pisses me off. My company gives almost double that to our summer interns!
Vacation at 10 days with 5 personal and 5 sick days is fine. That's actually not bad for entree level out of college in US.
Vacation at 10 days with 5 personal and 5 sick days is fine. That's actually not bad for entree level out of college in US.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Entree level or not $12/hour for BA with lots of different things to do is a shitty proposition, especially in California.
old
Member
Don't let the libertarians hear that. According to them Norway must be dead economy with all the businesses leaving.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
As a Brit (That is legally entitled to have 28 days paid holiday a year) I find the idea of working in the US quite scary, from an outside perspective is seems to be such a stressful 'workaholic' culture, long hours, low pay, high cost of living, you can get fired without warning, and then escorted out your building by a security guard (whats the deal with that anyway?), is there no three strike system in the US for employees before they get fired? And companies can go under without even giving notice to their employee's, number of times I've heard of people just turning up to work to find their building locked down without a clue, never heard of that happening over here, and people scared to take holidays.
It does scare me sometimes that our current government might and probably does looks to the US for inspiration with regards to it's work ethic but I think it's dangerous to do so.
Top five regrets of the dying - http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-five-regrets-of-the-dying
"Bronnie Ware is an Australian nurse who spent several years working in palliative care, caring for patients in the last 12 weeks of their lives. She recorded their dying epiphanies in a blog called Inspiration and Chai, which gathered so much attention that she put her observations into a book called The Top Five Regrets of the Dying.
Ware writes of the phenomenal clarity of vision that people gain at the end of their lives, and how we might learn from their wisdom. "When questioned about any regrets they had or anything they would do differently," she says, "common themes surfaced again and again."
Second biggest regret,
2. I wish I hadn't worked so hard.
"This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children's youth and their partner's companionship. Women also spoke of this regret, but as most were from an older generation, many of the female patients had not been breadwinners. All of the men I nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence."
You only live once, the pride of working hard all your life doesn't carry across to your death bed all that well.
It does scare me sometimes that our current government might and probably does looks to the US for inspiration with regards to it's work ethic but I think it's dangerous to do so.
Top five regrets of the dying - http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-five-regrets-of-the-dying
"Bronnie Ware is an Australian nurse who spent several years working in palliative care, caring for patients in the last 12 weeks of their lives. She recorded their dying epiphanies in a blog called Inspiration and Chai, which gathered so much attention that she put her observations into a book called The Top Five Regrets of the Dying.
Ware writes of the phenomenal clarity of vision that people gain at the end of their lives, and how we might learn from their wisdom. "When questioned about any regrets they had or anything they would do differently," she says, "common themes surfaced again and again."
Second biggest regret,
2. I wish I hadn't worked so hard.
"This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children's youth and their partner's companionship. Women also spoke of this regret, but as most were from an older generation, many of the female patients had not been breadwinners. All of the men I nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence."
You only live once, the pride of working hard all your life doesn't carry across to your death bed all that well.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I'd be taking snacks home every day like the world was ending if they paid me $12.00.
PdotMichael
Banned
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Certainly not me, but I look at it differently, getting paid more per hour allows me to work less hours while still maintaining a healthy standard of living, spending more valuable time with family or friends, enjoying hobbies, outdoor pursuits, traveling etc.
You guys are reading to much into this. This is a lazy HR person copy pasting job information between the jobs without verifying their work. All their jobs pay 12/hr regardless of title and want degrees. They just throw this stuff in there to see if they land a dream applicant, and when they don't they use it as leverage during negotiation.
Sure, this job sucks more than most, but all entry level jobs sucks. This is an entry level position for an unskilled applicant with full benefits. You are glorified intern. This isn't a career position, you work this place 9-18 months and then land a real job that is actually looking for a skilled applicant.
Sure, this job sucks more than most, but all entry level jobs sucks. This is an entry level position for an unskilled applicant with full benefits. You are glorified intern. This isn't a career position, you work this place 9-18 months and then land a real job that is actually looking for a skilled applicant.
Any programmer, network engineer, or database guy with 5+ years experience and real skills can make well over 100k in CA. Don't lump these people in with "IT" where it includes help desk, desktop support, pc techs, etc.
BudokaiMR2
Member
This legitimately worries me on an almost daily basis. I like my current position and company and they are very supportive of having a family, but is is still a very exhausting industry and there is no getting around some of the sacrifices that have to be made.
It probably pops into my head more often than it should because of the fact that my father was a deadbeat and was not around at all when I was a child.
What is crazy is having known many college grads this is the norm for almost every industry or degree. Unless it's a specialist degree.
Not even close. I made nearly 3 times that much fresh out of college 10 years ago working for a pharmaceutical company. Heck even my friends who went into teaching made more than that.
Messofanego
Banned
It is scary stuff. I don't want to be like my dad who's a workaholic and didn't spend much time with family for many years until hitting near retirement age to start cutting down for a normal work/life balance.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
In US with a few years of experience in major metropolitan areas? Shitload of people unless you are a basic tech. Talking outside the gaming industry.
My company wouldn't be able to get a competent sysadmin, network admin, DBA or a mid level developer for $85k. Senior people would be over $100k easily (sometime by significant margin).
This actually scares me more than anything. The amount of money being carelessly flaunted around in the tech world is staggering to watch.
I am not holding my breath. The bubble will break and it won't be pretty. There's always going to be a need for software moving forward, but the market will stabilize itself to something much more sane.
Edit: On the other hand, this leaves me conflicted. With decades of inflation and rising costs of living, our salaries NEED to increase.