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[Fbh]

If it's a good game and I have a decent PC at some point, sure.

On console it's an insta no because 30fps.

 

[Koenigssee]

I don't wanna hear anything about this game no more let alone playing it.

 

[SF Kosmo]

The fuck are you saying.

I am saying you don't normally know the beliefs of every person who works on a game unless those beliefs are somehow curated and brought to your attention.

What does the sound engineer for Shin Megami Tensei V think about Feminism? You don't fucking know. Why would you know or care about any of this normally?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Only if they axe that art director piece of human shit.

 

[XXL]

The fuck are you saying.

At this point it's clear that you aren't talking to me but to some weird idea or strawman you have in your head. Don't quote me again please.

SF in their name is probably for San Francisco.

 

[TintoConCasera]

I am saying you don't normally know the beliefs of every person who works on a game unless those beliefs are somehow curated and brought to your attention.

What does the sound engineer for Shin Megami Tensei V think about Feminism? You don't fucking know. Why would you know or care about any of this normally?

You still don't get it man.

It's not about what some dude working on a game thinks. It's about that dude making those hateful thoughts public, putting those thoughts into action and the company behind that dude doing nothing to stop any of that.

Quite different things, I think.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Nope, fuck Avoid.

 

[Jack Videogames]

Same as with Dragon Age honestly

If it's a 95 OC game I may check it out in in Game Pass
If it was an 80 OC I may have bought it if the devs hadn't said stupid shit and it didn't look woke as fuck
Don't feel like giving them my money in any way

 

[LordCBH]

Sure. The overall game looks really good. Plus I have game pass. Does it have some red flags? Sure, some shit thst shouldn’t be in the game (like pronouns), but seeing gameplay and the trailers the game overall seems good.

 

[BlueLyria]

No, not really, wasn't planning to, the controversy has no weight on my decision because I think the game looks bad and besides the reveal trailer, always has looked bad.
I kinda dislike obsidian in general

 

[xenosys]

I don't play first person games, so no.

 

[Metnut]

Sure, if it ends up being good and coming to PS5.

I’m not really into politics/culture wars, so I only care whether games are good.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

I don’t give time or money to any entertainment that puts ideology over quality, and I certainly won’t in this case given they employ racists with ageism hiring practices.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

No, I'm of the opinion that any game made by activist devs that push a DEI/woke agenda should be actively shunned.

Specifically in the case of Avowed, I was willing to put up with the pronouns, but Matt Hansen ruined it. No way, I'm going to support that asshole by buying the game.

 

[LectureMaster]

Well, I'd like to judge the book by its actual contents.

That means I will wait for Steam user reviews.

 

[ahtlas7]

I was on the fence with this game and they just knocked me off the wrong side. This crust old white guy will be just fine skipping this game and it’s developers dogma.

 

[Loope]

Yes, if it's a solid Obsidian game.

 

[poppabk]

It's on gamepass so yes I will try it. Also - Grummz + Elon Musk ≠ gamers

 

[Mortisfacio]

It's never been a day 1 for me just because it looks more or less like prior titles, in a new skin. I really liked Outer Worlds the first 10 hours or so then found myself trying to speedrun it just to finish it because I was getting bored. Avowed from what I've seen so far looks like a similar experience.

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

What I wrote long before the "drama"

Some of the clunkiest, boring looking combat I've ever seen, art style looks like a 1st person Torchlight. I guess if this is what the Xbox fan base thinks is "great" then they deserve everything they get Indy looks solid so Xbox *might* deliver one noteworthy game in 2024.

Anyway, fuck Avowed

 

[Josemayuste]

Which drama? Yes, sure that I will play Avowed regardless of any kind of drama.

 

[ozz ex machina]

There should be a "yes if it's good" option. I really don't care about the politics of people who make games. I care if their game is well made and has a good story.

 

[powder]

Who cares about the pronouns, the real issue is how fucking boring this game looks

 

[Josemayuste]

There should be a "yes if it's good" option. I really don't care about the politics of people who make games. I care if their game is well made and has a good story.

This.

 

[Illyria]

With the disc not in the box I was leaning towards cancelling the preorder. After that crap I just cancelled it. My backlogs huge anyway.

 

[Ozriel]

Better question to ask is “would you pay for Avowed”. A lot of folks with “Yes” got GamePass so it doesn’t take much to download and try it out.

Edit: Or rent from GameFly if that’s still around, as a rental is a cheap way to try the game. I think @Topher does that as an example.

Edit 2: Personally I am not planning to play it at least in the near future as it looks pretty mid and I very much disliked Outer Worlds. But if I sub for GamePass month to try something else, might give it a shot as well.

Irrelevant distinction. The whole premise of the thread is whether or not the recent drama and ‘pronoun campaign’ has soured people off playing the game. People who are fundamentally opposed to a game wouldn’t even be downloading it.

 

[BosmerCulter]

I don't fucking care. I will play it if it's good.

I played Diablo IV after learning Blizzard drove an employee to suicide, I think I can handle some snowflakes devs meltdown on Twitter.

 

[Raven117]

If it’s good, yes. If it’s not, no.

Internet squabble don’t concern or sway me.

 

[rofif]

Absolutely not.
New vegas was their last good game and I still didn't like it that much as other people.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Too bad we can't see who voted what.

I voted Fuck Avowed because the game looks like shit/boring and has since the reveal

People gonna get upset but Obsidian has always been mid. They put out one good Fallout game which also happens to be the only good Fallout game.

 

[Ozriel]

There should be a "yes if it's good" option. I really don't care about the politics of people who make games. I care if their game is well made and has a good story.

Pretty much where I’m at. I’ll play it if it gets good reviews.

 

[SF Kosmo]

You still don't get it man.

It's not about what some dude working on a game thinks. It's about that dude making those hateful thoughts public, putting those thoughts into action and the company behind that dude doing nothing to stop any of that.

Quite different things, I think.

Honest question: Did you follow that guy's Twitter before this, or did someone curate and present this tweet to you?

Because again, you don't normally go through the social media of every person working on a game in order to test for ideological purity.

In Korea they have been having these groups of people scouring the social media of any low level employees of game studios that they might accuse of sympathy to feminism, and then staging literal pogroms where they storm the offices and demand them employee be fired. It's fucking nuts and I see American gamers starting to fall into this same crazy trap. It's not good. Korean society is collapsing because men are becoming unfuckable weirdos.

Also, I gotta say, man, I don't think he said anything "racist" against straight white men, I think he said he wanted to trigger the chuds. Which is toxic, but there are plenty of "own the libs" types working on every game, why is this different?

 

[TintoConCasera]

Honest question: Did you follow that guy's Twitter before this, or did someone curate and present this tweet to you?

I don't have Twitter, I heard about it all here in this forum. Does that make a difference?

Also, I gotta say, man, I don't think he said anything "racist" against straight white men, I think he said he wanted to trigger the chuds. Which is toxic, but there are plenty of "own the libs" types working on every game, why is this different?

You've missed part of the drama then. On a tweet he said he would give women and people of color priority over white people. According to him, there are "too many scruffy white men" in the industry and he can't wait until he gets replaced by some minority. It's self-hating, and kinda nuts imo.

Even Chris Avellone has stepped in, encouraging people to sue fucking Microsoft if they ever felt they were subjected to racist practices during their job interviews.

 

[SolarFry]

If it's not a boring game with shit writing - sure.

 

[twilo99]

It looked very uninteresting before the drama.

Play because of the drama…

Best take

 

[Branded]

Was planning to but after all of the activism reared its ugly head.... nah I'm good.

I'm fine with creators holding different (political) opinions from my own but the sheer vindictive and sad nature of this whole debacle just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

If this is what is considered “drama”, the fact that you can change pronouns then count me out of gaming

Honestly, gaming is just full of whiney little gimps.

 

[Cakeboxer]

GPU runs a few months anyways, so i'll give it a try. But i won't spend any money on it.

 

[SF Kosmo]

I don't have Twitter, I heard about it all here in this forum. Does that make a difference?

It's an affirmation of my narrative, at least. If you agree then why are you mad?

My point is that given the time and resources I could find objectionable social media content connected to the devs or literally any game. I mean shit the number of Japanese devs that have denied war crimes...

You've missed part of the drama then. On a tweet he said he would give women and people of color priority over white people. According to him, there are "too many scruffy white men" in the industry and he can't wait until he gets replaced by some minority. It's self-hating, and kinda nuts imo.

I would say there's a pretty big difference between saying that you want to see more proportional representation and saying white people are bad. We can argue about the merit of that sort of thinking versus the more idealistic "colorblind" approach but the fact is that straight white men are most of who work in the game industry and no one is "coming for them" in a meaningful way.

We're gonna be okay.

Even Chris Avellone has stepped in, encouraging people to sue fucking Microsoft if they ever felt they were subjected to racist practices during their job interviews.

I mean sure, they should, anyone should. But it doesn't seem like any of that is actually going on in practice.

 

[Moriarty1889]

You still don't get it man.

It's not about what some dude working on a game thinks. It's about that dude making those hateful thoughts public, putting those thoughts into action and the company behind that dude doing nothing to stop any of that.

Quite different things, I think.

Exactly good sir. When a moron comes out and makes the ludicrous statements he did and the company allows him to do so, it shows they align with him. Anyone else would have been let go due to the negative effects it would have on the product. The gaming industry is plagued with so many of these hateful self absorbed weirdos that it will take a monumental effort to purge them if ever. Until then we can only speak with our wallets and our voices against these sick people and their woke trash games they peddle.

 

[Ozriel]

and the company behind that dude doing nothing to stop any of that.

You’re saying the guy has continued to post a steady stream of faux pas? Source?

 

[bender]

No and it has nothing to do with recent events. I let my Gamepass subscription lapse and I'm not a huge fan of Obsidian's recent efforts.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

"whole drama" -> an extra word included lmao.

i care about good games. just make a good game.

 

[Gilgalaad]

No, even if they paid me for.
Fuck Awoked (and Matt Hansen).

 

[TintoConCasera]

It's an affirmation of my narrative, at least. If you agree then why are you mad?

Honestly I don't even know what your point is with any of that.

I think I made my point very clear already: the art director is an absolute shithead and a racist, the company behind him has done nothing to condone his words or acts, and I won't be giving them any of my money.

I think it's pretty simple. You can keep twisting things if you want but I don't have all the time in the world nor the patience to keep answering you, sorry.

You’re saying the guy has continued to post a steady stream of faux pas? Source?

Where have I said that? No, what I meant is that the dude still has his job, so I guess Obsidian is fine with keeping someone like him around in a senior position.

For as long as that happens, they won't see my money.

 

[kruis]

I was never going to play Avowed since it's first person. I am interested in the drama however.

 

[iorek21]

Looks like an AA indie game at best, but was at least willing to try it sometime. After this bullshit, not even touching it.

 

[Impotaku]

I don’t play AAA westaslop, let the normies consume that shit.

 

[Bartski]

no, and it has nothing to do with the art director

 

[Kacho]

"whole drama" -> an extra word included lmao.

i care about good games. just make a good game.

If you think the issue is one extra word you’re either clueless or being disingenuous.