Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
895 goals. Surpassing Gretzky's 894. Did it in the exact same amount of games, pretty insane.
He also had a broken leg this year, still did it
Last edited:
Alexander Ovechkin Breaks Wayne Gretzky's All-Time Record For Most Goals In NHL History
- Thread starter Represent.
- Start date
895 goals. Surpassing Gretzky's 894. Did it in the exact same amount of games, pretty insane.
He also had a broken leg this year, still did it
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
he has a few records that are probably impossible to break. as impressive as this goals total one was, its not even a top 10 stat of his
MaestroMike
Gold Member
Last edited:
PonyStation4
Member
I think this was one of the easier Gretzky records to break. I could see another player breaking this new goals record, considering the NHL keeps reducing goalie equipment, lessening the NHL talent pool with new teams and the new league culture of passing up hits. With each passing year players will shoot against worse defences, smaller goalies and able to stare down at the puck more than ever. Players like McDavid/Matthews will soon be scoring 50 goals with ease
Last edited:
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
The amazing thing about Gretzky is if he scored zero goals in his career he'd still have more career points than Ovechkin. Gretzky was that good. Also had a season where he scored more than 90 goals, which will probably never happen again. Congrats to Ovechkin.
DetectiveBananas
Member
If anyone catches Gretzky on Total Points…that would be monumental. Gretzky has almost a 1,000 point lead on the next closest guy.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, but Wayne Gretzy has a hot daughter so its even.
I would say it is easier to get an assist than a goal as long as you are on a good team. With a goal you need to score, with an assist, you need the guy you pass to, or the guy he passes to, to score. Your odds are better of getting an assist than they are a goal. I can pass to you and you score, the next guy I pass to scores. I have 2 assists, compared to their one goal each.
The key is getting on a good team that spreads the wealth. If you look at the 2010-11 Canucks team, Burrows probably had a bazillion assists because he was on a line with the Sedins. But when you have a team with one major goal scorer you'll only be getting assists on that one guy which makes it a lot slower. Gretzky was on some crazy good teams where when he wasn't scoring goals, the dude he was passing to was
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Best scorer period.
He's done it in a time scoring in the NHL is generally low, had lousy teammates on a lot of Caps teams, defence is tightened up and goalies are bigger, better and wear double the pads. At 39 years of age is still scoring 40. And he's a lot more physical hitting people in corners. Gretzky never did that. He sat around the perimeter cherry picking for the puck.
When Gretzky retired at 38, he scored 9. And his last bunch of seasons he got around 25 each. That's it. And had a terrible +/- the last decade of his career. Gretzky will always be the best passer, but not scorer.
Ovechkin also can score from anywhere with crazy hard shots, sharp angle snipes, deking out dmen on the fly and even did that goal of century move he fell on his ass and swung backwards to score. Most of Wayne's goals were from close to the net probably 10-15 ft tops. So not only has Ovechkin scored more, he scored more dynamic goals which is needed in modern hockey.
During Gretzky's time, the league was the highest scoring era ever where even the worst teams in the league could score similar to today's top teams, a first team all star goalie was a 3.00 GAA and .890 save % (that is garbage now as probably even half the back up goalies have better stats than that). You had pylon dmen and players who scored 30 or 40 goals who wouldnt even score 10 now.
To give you non-NHL guys a idea, back in the late 80s the Quebec Nordiques were a god awful team. They'd win 15 games a year (out of 80). They scored 3 goals per game. Now, a team scoring 3 goals per game is middle of the pack and a team can pull 40 wins with that scoring. Thats how much of difference there is.
Also, Ovechkin was supposed to join the NHL in the lock out season as a rookie. That alone he probably missed 40 goals right off the bat.
He's done it in a time scoring in the NHL is generally low, had lousy teammates on a lot of Caps teams, defence is tightened up and goalies are bigger, better and wear double the pads. At 39 years of age is still scoring 40. And he's a lot more physical hitting people in corners. Gretzky never did that. He sat around the perimeter cherry picking for the puck.
When Gretzky retired at 38, he scored 9. And his last bunch of seasons he got around 25 each. That's it. And had a terrible +/- the last decade of his career. Gretzky will always be the best passer, but not scorer.
Ovechkin also can score from anywhere with crazy hard shots, sharp angle snipes, deking out dmen on the fly and even did that goal of century move he fell on his ass and swung backwards to score. Most of Wayne's goals were from close to the net probably 10-15 ft tops. So not only has Ovechkin scored more, he scored more dynamic goals which is needed in modern hockey.
During Gretzky's time, the league was the highest scoring era ever where even the worst teams in the league could score similar to today's top teams, a first team all star goalie was a 3.00 GAA and .890 save % (that is garbage now as probably even half the back up goalies have better stats than that). You had pylon dmen and players who scored 30 or 40 goals who wouldnt even score 10 now.
To give you non-NHL guys a idea, back in the late 80s the Quebec Nordiques were a god awful team. They'd win 15 games a year (out of 80). They scored 3 goals per game. Now, a team scoring 3 goals per game is middle of the pack and a team can pull 40 wins with that scoring. Thats how much of difference there is.
Also, Ovechkin was supposed to join the NHL in the lock out season as a rookie. That alone he probably missed 40 goals right off the bat.
Last edited:
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
So true.
Gretzky not only played in the high scoring 80s with swiss cheese defence and goalies, but had hall of famers Messier, Kurri, Anderson, and Coffey to combine for 400+ goal seasons. Got traded and then plays with 600 goal hall of famer Robataille and also Bernie Nicholls. Wayne has always played on teams with high scoring players to help out.
Ovechkin was basically a one man team for his career. He had Backstrom as his key passer. He'd get 70-80 pts on avg, stopped playing already and his last 4-5 playing years were trash. That was the only reliable guy he played with.
Other guys he played with over the years were Semin, Mike Green dman way back, and in modern years Dylan Strome and Tom Wilson. None of these guys would even get 1 hall of fame vote.
Last edited:
Liopleurodon
Member
As European, I only knew about Wayne Gretzky from ProStars cartoon I used to watch as a child.
I had no idea he was the record holder for so many years.
I had no idea he was the record holder for so many years.
The Lunch Legend
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
Gretz had something like 50 goals in a short stretch of games.
He could have easily set the career goal mark way higher if he wanted to.
Plus, you know, the NHL changed the rules early in Gretzky's career to help curb his scoring dominance at the time.
He could have easily set the career goal mark way higher if he wanted to.
Plus, you know, the NHL changed the rules early in Gretzky's career to help curb his scoring dominance at the time.
Solarstrike
Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Current year (after todays game): 61 GP, 42 G, 27 A, 69 PTS. Missed 15 games due to injury too. He'd possibly have 50 G and have 80 pts now if he was healthy. Very consistent player.
When Gretzky ran out of good linemates on his later Rangers teams and ended at 38 years old with 62 pts, his peak was 215 (200s in the 80s). Then trended down when his linemates got worse and neutral zone trap defence amped up in the mid 90s. Final year 9 goals, 62 pts from 70 games with a -23 +/-. Ovechkin's peak is 112 pts and still roughly a pt/game player 20 years later.
Last edited:
manfestival
Member
I am just out here wondering what could've been with Stamkos. he had a great run and could've been like this
canadians are also required by law to hang his portrait above the entrance to their dwelling,
but they would anyway
Last edited:
newtypepilot
Member
crazy ovi showed no decline over the years
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Stammer got burned with some injuries. OV was practically injury free, which is incredible how durable he is since he sprints all over the ice and crash and bangs players. He's a sniper first, but also kind of plays power forward. No player can expect perfection playing all games, but Stamkos lost about 100 already. At 40 goals avg/season, that;s around 50 goals lost. His 580 would be 630.
He is tailing off and plays in low scoring Nashville now. If he plays 5 more years at 25 each, he could reach about 700 which is doable. I have a feeling he'll do about 650 and call it a career.
Last edited:
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Amazing how close they are in goals:
OV 1,487 GP, 895 goals
Gretzky 1,487 GP, 894 goals
Yup. Those are the stats.
OV 1,487 GP, 895 goals
Gretzky 1,487 GP, 894 goals
Yup. Those are the stats.