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AMD Captures Nearly 80% Of CPU Market According To March Amazon US Stats: Generates Five Times More Revenue Than Intel

The March CPU sales stats on Amazon US are out and AMD is still holding the highest CPU market share with nearly 80% of total shipments.

wccftech.com

AMD keeps dominating the CPU market with its Ryzen lineup. While the Ryzen 7 9800X3D is still at the top spot, AM4 CPUs are still selling like hotcakes.

After Ryzen 7 9800X3D with 6000+ Units Shipments, Ryzen 5 5500 is at Number Two, Outselling the Entire Core Ultra 200S Stack​

AMD keeps dominating Intel in CPU sales and this has been the case for a while, particularly after the launch of X3D processors. The Ryzen 7 9800X3D alone is outselling several top-selling Intel processors. The processor has come up at the top position once again, selling over 6000 units in the entire month of March. The report suggests that the final number will be a few hundred units higher and this should make the number closer to 7000 units.

Surprisingly, the entry-level six-core Ryzen 5 5500 is still one of the top choices for PC gamers and users in general. On the one hand, the Ryzen 7 9800X3D sells for a whopping $479, and on the other hand, the Ryzen 5 5500 sells for a sub-$90 price tag. The processor sold over 3000 units last month, followed by Ryzen 7 7800X3D, which is on par in popularity with the Ryzen 5 5500.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I'd be really careful trying to extrapolate from Amazon.

 

[Mr Moose]

Ryzen 5 5500 is at Number Two

Weird.
I was thinking of doing a little CPU upgrade from 3600 to 5600(£90)/5700x(£140), but if I went for the 5700x I might as well pay another 60 and get the 3D. Might not even bother

 

[The Lunch Legend]

 

[SlimySnake]

Been trying to switch from intel to AMD and even the last gen 7800x3d mobo combos are at least $600.

Id rather invest that in a GPU.

They need to release cheaper x3d CPUs.

 

[CrimsonTide]

Thought intel had the CPU global market at like 70/30?

*edit I see this it was Amazon US only

 

[winjer]

Mind you, this is only for Amazon sales, meaning it's for the DIY market.
Mindfactory recently also published similar numbers, with 90% of sold CPUs being from AMD.
Intel still rules with pre-builts and OEMs.

 

[GHG]

Been trying to switch from intel to AMD and even the last gen 7800x3d mobo combos are at least $600.

Id rather invest that in a GPU.

They need to release cheaper x3d CPUs.

What resolution are you gaming at?

If 4k, you really don't need an x3d chip.

 

[winjer]

What resolution are you gaming at?

If 4k, you really don't need an x3d chip.

But in modern days, few people run games at native 4K.
Most people run games with DLSS, FSR or XeSS. Often rendering at 1440p or 1080p.

 

[Great Auk]

I remember getting the AMD K6-2 at 350MHZ in 1999 in my first high school computer. It was a competitive chip to the super expensive Pentium 2. It never really caught on well though, Intel still had some major branding advantages back then.

I'm just glad Intel no longer has a stranglehold on the market and has become much more competitive.

 

[SlimySnake]

What resolution are you gaming at?

If 4k, you really don't need an x3d chip.

4k 60 fps using dlss quality-performance, but I want to do path tracing and that means dropping to 1440p, and sometimes ive noticed my cpu causing frametime spikes and holding back my GPU from hitting even 60 fps with pathtracing on in cyberpunk.

Figured id upgrade my CPU before buying a 5080, but even if i settle for a cheaper CPU, id still have to buy the motherboard, new AIO (missing AMD backplate on my current one) and new ram.

 

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Don't buy the 5500, it's a weird-ass laptop chip.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

this is in the DIY market, right?.

Intel has to suck for a decade or so to lose its market share... you have to be really in deep shit for that to happen.

 

[GHG]

But in modern days, few people run games at native 4K.
Most people run games with DLSS, FSR or XeSS. Often rendering at 1440p or 1080p.

True, but for some reason, even though the internal resolution drops down, it doesn't manifest in CPU bottlenecks in the same way that It would without the upscaling tech being present. At least that's the case with DLSS.

4k 60 fps using dlss quality-performance, but I want to do path tracing and that means dropping to 1440p, and sometimes ive noticed my cpu causing frametime spikes and holding back my GPU from hitting even 60 fps with pathtracing on in cyberpunk.

Figured id upgrade my CPU before buying a 5080, but even if i settle for a cheaper CPU, id still have to buy the motherboard, new AIO (missing AMD backplate on my current one) and new ram.

What's your current CPU?

 

[SlimySnake]

True, but for some reason, even though the internal resolution drops down, it doesn't manifest in CPU bottlenecks in the same way that It would without the upscaling tech being present. At least that's the case with DLSS.



What's your current CPU?

i7-11700kf. It has done me wonders, letting me run cyberpuink pt at up 60 fps at times. No issues with Starfield or Space Marine or other CPU heavy games this gen.

But my next frontier is path tracing and i have that itch to upgrade and 7800x3d paired with my old 2080 is doing wonders for my friend, especially in ray tracing games, so thats the CPU i want now.

 

[winjer]

True, but for some reason, even though the internal resolution drops down, it doesn't manifest in CPU bottlenecks in the same way that It would without the upscaling tech being present. At least that's the case with DLSS.

Upscalers still take time to process on the GPU. Depending on how many pixels the GPU has to extrapolate, it ads 05-2 ms.
But still, it still shifts the more weight into the CPU, even at 4K.
But most importantly, minimum FPS are improved by a good CPU, making games smoother to play.

 

[GHG]

i7-11700kf. It has done me wonders, letting me run cyberpuink pt at up 60 fps at times. No issues with Starfield or Space Marine or other CPU heavy games this gen.

But my next frontier is path tracing and i have that itch to upgrade and 7800x3d paired with my old 2080 is doing wonders for my friend, especially in ray tracing games, so thats the CPU i want now.

I can tell you from first hand experience that even a bog standard 9700X would serve you very well and end up being a significant uplift if you don't want to spend the extra money on the 9800x3d. Especially if you're planning on pairing it with a 5080 (note the GPUs below).

Upscalers still take time to process on the GPU. Depending on how many pixels the GPU has to extrapolate, it ads 05-2 ms.
But still, it still shifts the more weight into the CPU, even at 4K.
But most importantly, minimum FPS are improved by a good CPU, making games smoother to play.

I don't disagree, but from my testing I've found that pretty much any zen5 CPU will do the trick these days.

Note the minimums below:

Unless you're getting a 5090 (and/or you're gaming at 1440p or below) I don't think the 9800x3d is necessary in the slightest.

 

[winjer]

I can tell you from first hand experience that even a bog standard 9700X would serve you very well and end up being a significant uplift if you don't want to spend the extra money on the 9800x3d. Especially if you're planning on pairing it with a 5080 (note the GPUs below).

I don't disagree, but from my testing I've found that pretty much any zen5 CPU will do the trick these days.

Note the minimums below:

Unless you're getting a 5090 (and/or you're gaming at 1440p or below) I don't think the 9800x3d is necessary in the slightest.

In the case of Black Myth Wukong, using Path Tracing, it will take many years until we get CPU bound.
Path Tracing games put way too much pressure on the GPU. So the CPU will always be irrelevant.
But Path Traced games are the exception.
Turn off PT in Wukong or CP2077, and the CPU becomes a significant factor again.

 

[GHG]

In the case of Black Myth Wukong, using Path Tracing, it will take many years until we get CPU bound.
Path Tracing games put way too much pressure on the GPU. So the CPU will always be irrelevant.
But Path Traced games are the exception.
Turn off PT in Wukong or CP2077, and the CPU becomes a significant factor again.

Well SlimySnake mentioned wanting an x3d chip specifically for path tracing so this might be food for thought for him.

 

[marquimvfs]

Don't buy the 5500, it's a weird-ass laptop chip.

I run one in a office machine. Is a sweet sweet machine. Quiet, cool, fast boot and also capable of light gaming. It depends on someone needs, I think.

 

[winjer]

Well SlimySnake mentioned wanting an x3d chip specifically for path tracing so this might be food for thought for him.

With PT there are more draw calls for the CPU to handle, but it's not enough to shift the bottleneck from the GPU.
PT is still too demanding on the GPU, even with a 5090.

 

[SlimySnake]

In the case of Black Myth Wukong, using Path Tracing, it will take many years until we get CPU bound.
Path Tracing games put way too much pressure on the GPU. So the CPU will always be irrelevant.
But Path Traced games are the exception.
Turn off PT in Wukong or CP2077, and the CPU becomes a significant factor again.

In my case, it was definitely a CPU thing.

My frametime graph was a mess, game literally stuttered like it was pausing every half a second. I noticed that this didnt happen at all times. So i went in and killed all the enemies in an area that was stuttering really poorly. After every kill, the stutters improved. After killing the last one, it was a smooth 60 fps and back to being GPU bound.

Figured after that point that i needed to upgrade my CPU. Noticed something similar in Star Wars outlaws which was also a stuttering mess no matter how much i dropped the resolution.

 

[winjer]

In my case, it was definitely a CPU thing.

My frametime graph was a mess, game literally stuttered like it was pausing every half a second. I noticed that this didnt happen at all times. So i went in and killed all the enemies in an area that was stuttering really poorly. After every kill, the stutters improved. After killing the last one, it was a smooth 60 fps and back to being GPU bound.

Figured after that point that i needed to upgrade my CPU. Noticed something similar in Star Wars outlaws which was also a stuttering mess no matter how much i dropped the resolution.

What was your original CPU? And to what did you change to?

 

[SlimySnake]

What was your original CPU? And to what did you change to?

never changed my CPU. 7800x3d refuses to go down in price so i just gave up on path tracing.

Im currently running 11700kf. It has been great in every cpu bound game and can even help me hit 60 fps in Cyberpunk PT at times. though some times it does hold back my gpu somewhat.

 

[GHG]

never changed my CPU. 7800x3d refuses to go down in price so i just gave up on path tracing.

Im currently running 11700kf. It has been great in every cpu bound game and can even help me hit 60 fps in Cyberpunk PT at times. though some times it does hold back my gpu somewhat.

Honestly, you're only going to see marginal uplifts going from a 11700kf to an AM5 chip if youre also going to keep using your 3080.

 

[winjer]

never changed my CPU. 7800x3d refuses to go down in price so i just gave up on path tracing.

Im currently running 11700kf. It has been great in every cpu bound game and can even help me hit 60 fps in Cyberpunk PT at times. though some times it does hold back my gpu somewhat.

Didn't you have a 3080?
With only 10GB of vram, that could be the cause of your issues.

Mind you, the 11700k is a decent CPU, but it's a bit outdated. It compete and lost against normal Zen3 CPUs. And it lost hard against the 5800X3D.
Another source for your problem can be the memory. What clocks and timings are you using?

 

[EN250]

PCMR bros, what's the best combo you guys could advice for a good to great Gaming performance?

I have a PC but for basic stuff, it's going straight to the bin and I plan to start from scratch, but being long since I built a PC

 

[SlimySnake]

Didn't you have a 3080?
With only 10GB of vram, that could be the cause of your issues.

Mind you, the 11700k is a decent CPU, but it's a bit outdated. It compete and lost against normal Zen3 CPUs. And it lost hard against the 5800X3D.
Another source for your problem can be the memory. What clocks and timings are you using?

wukong thanks to nanite is very low on vram. even with path tracing, i was maxing out at 8GB. i made sure to turn down several texture settings.

I dont know much about memory settings. i upgraded to 32 GB when hogwarts came out and just refused to run without stuttering on my 16GB system. All i know is that i enabled xmp.

 

[winjer]

wukong thanks to nanite is very low on vram. even with path tracing, i was maxing out at 8GB. i made sure to turn down several texture settings.

I dont know much about memory settings. i upgraded to 32 GB when hogwarts came out and just refused to run without stuttering on my 16GB system. All i know is that i enabled xmp.

You can use a program like Asus memtweak it to check your memory speed and timings. I think it works on all Intel motherboards.

MemTweakIt. Get the software safely and easily.

Mem TweakIt is a handy utility that will enable you to manage your RAM timings.

memtweakit.software.informer.com

Another thing it might have happened, not related to the CPU, is a bad shader compilation. And RT has it's own shaders.
Doing a reset to the shader cache on the nVidia control panel will force the game to recompile the shaders again.

 

[Shadowstar39]

I remember getting the AMD K6-2 at 350MHZ in 1999 in my first high school computer. It was a competitive chip to the super expensive Pentium 2. It never really caught on well though, Intel still had some major branding advantages back then.

I'm just glad Intel no longer has a stranglehold on the market and has become much more competitive.

I don't know, I want them back to making kick ass products. Too many here (and espeically on reddit youtube ect...) have become cult like with AMD. It's crazy.

Back in the day we had more than one cpu making x86 chips. We used to have intel, Amd, Cyrix, Via, NEC, Siemens, Sti, etc...

Having more options keeps competition healthy and prices down. Its the same for gpus. If intel gets its game up we could have cheaper and better cpus accross the board. The same could be said for Intel and AMD when it comes to gpus. Nvidia inflates prices because they can.

AMD now that they are in a winning position they are being more like intel was. low end Ryzen cards on AM5 for two gens zen 4 and zen 5 are both over $200. Which, imo is crazy.
It's one thing to have the newest one at a higher prices, but these cpus are like $10-20 in price difference. $200-240.
Add in expensive motherboards and DDR5 , I am sure its turning more people away.
I would of bought one right away if it was under $150. Thing is you can get a old am4 or intel cpu for a fraction of the cost.
Amd is getting greedy and suffering what every company does when they are on top for too long.

 

[mèx]

This is the Steam Hardware survey data for reference:

 

[LordBritish]

 

[Singular7]

I'll probably switch to Intels new panther lake when its out later this year, been on AMD since 2018

 

[Soodanim]

I can tell you from first hand experience that even a bog standard 9700X would serve you very well and end up being a significant uplift if you don't want to spend the extra money on the 9800x3d. Especially if you're planning on pairing it with a 5080 (note the GPUs below).

I don't disagree, but from my testing I've found that pretty much any zen5 CPU will do the trick these days.

Note the minimums below:

Unless you're getting a 5090 (and/or you're gaming at 1440p or below) I don't think the 9800x3d is necessary in the slightest.

Thank you for this. I'm trying to put together a list for my new build and the CPU is a key area I need to lock down to bring down unnecessary costs when pairing with a 9070 XT.

 

[CobraAB]

Deservedly so.

 

[Rush2112]

The wallets have spoken.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Good. Amd have done good with they're Ryzen brand . Ryzen gen 1 wasn't a thing to write home about but was cheap . And they've built on delivering good CPUs and decent prices .

 

[Thief1987]

Remember when it was the other way around and AMD considered to leave desktop CPU market

 

[SABRE220]

That's true, but Intel still dominates laptop/prebuilt which is a huge market. I wish amd would release their apus at decent prices on laptops instead of charging extortionate prices, eliminating the whole purpose of apus. Halo strix for competitive prices would be a game changer but we have it priced near MacBook pro prices. Ive been waiting patiently for rdna4 apus/gpus but turns out they don't give much shits about laptops and no new arch till udna in 2026 or later.

In the CPU market I hope intel gets its act together as we need competition, amd has stared getting lax and intel needs to fund its GPU line.