Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Somehow AMD fanboys always have to state lies in CPU threads, I am just correcting them.
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AMD Zen 5 Ryzen 9000 Desktop Gaming Performance Predictions. How fast in gaming do you think it will be?
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The Mad Draklor
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Don't mind me, just making the necessary corrections to more accurately depict the reality.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Good thing I have tuned my 13600K so that it uses similar power to the 7700X, and still beats it in multi-thread apps and games
The Mad Draklor
Member
I'm sure that Cinebench score really translates to real-life performance... and doubtful on the gaming performance considering 50% more power consumption only translated to a statistical error's worth of difference.Good thing I have tuned my 13600K so that it uses similar power to the 7700X, and still beats it in multi-thread apps and games
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I had a BIOS update that took the power levels from launch day of +50% 7700X down to similar power to the 7700X with PBO.
Then I undervolted and got it lower than 7700X PBO power and even improved performance a bit further by RAM and E-Core overclock
All the while having more performance at much lower power than launch reviews you're looking at, and much better multi-thread at lower than 7700X PBO power.
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The Mad Draklor
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Ah yes, the good ol' trust me bro™ story that is all too familiar.I had a BIOS update that took the power levels from launch day of +50% 7700X down to similar power to the 7700X with PBO.
Then I undervolted and got it lower than 7700X PBO power and even improved performance a bit further by RAM and E-Core overclock
All the while having more performance than launch reviews you're looking at, and much better multi-thread at lower than 7700X PBO power.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
All you're going off of is results from launch day reviews.
I on the other hand am going off of personal experience, something you obviously don't have when it comes to Raptor Lake.
The Mad Draklor
Member
*Trust me bro™ intensifies
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Poll closed: AMD released data which could skew poll choices. If you voted after the slides were revealed, I know who you are!!!
AMD compared against 14900K.
13% over 14900K according to AMD's 6 game average, likely cherry picked. Last time AMDs benchmark average had 7950X 9% faster than 12900K when in reality they were about the same, so these numbers don't really mean much.
AMD also hid the following in their end notes (which could lower Intel perf.)
Intel Default power cap
DDR5 6000
7900XTX
Smart Access Memory enabled (which can sometimes reduce performance on Intel)
Still can't really say where it will fall, probably gonna be close to 7800X3D.
If 7800X3D was also graphed in these 6 titles, I'm not sure 9950X wins.
AMD compared against 14900K.
13% over 14900K according to AMD's 6 game average, likely cherry picked. Last time AMDs benchmark average had 7950X 9% faster than 12900K when in reality they were about the same, so these numbers don't really mean much.
AMD also hid the following in their end notes (which could lower Intel perf.)
Intel Default power cap
DDR5 6000
7900XTX
Smart Access Memory enabled (which can sometimes reduce performance on Intel)
Still can't really say where it will fall, probably gonna be close to 7800X3D.
If 7800X3D was also graphed in these 6 titles, I'm not sure 9950X wins.
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RubberedDucky
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For people who know this stuff better than me: what will be a better chip for 1440p (via DLSS) or 4K (native) gaming: 9600X or 7800X3D? I suspect they will be a similar price in a month or so. I'm building a new PC from scratch this summer.
Zathalus
Member
7800X3D for sure, it has the advantage of two extra cores.
Really depends on what prices they come in at. If they come in at the same prices that 7600X currently sells at (~$199) or slightly more I'd go with the 9600X for sure, if it's closer to the 7600X launch price ($299) the 7800X3D at $339 might be more attractive. Like with Zen 4, the best move is probably going to be to wait for the second batch of processors (9600, 9700, 9800X3D) either later this year when Intel launches or in January at CES.
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GreatnessRD
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Not too exciting, but wasn't expected to be. Most people are waiting for the X3D chips I'd assume. I'm more interested in seeing the full features and prices of the 800 series motherboards. Especially since the B850's are supposed to have mandated Gen5 PCIe support.
And I'm also HIGHKEY excited to see the goofy fanboys from AMD and Intel circle jerking these billion dollar corporations as they release Zen5 and Arrow Lake. So far, I haven't been disappointed.
Let the games continue!
And I'm also HIGHKEY excited to see the goofy fanboys from AMD and Intel circle jerking these billion dollar corporations as they release Zen5 and Arrow Lake. So far, I haven't been disappointed.
Let the games continue!
Snake29
Banned
i'm still running 5800X3D on AM4. Seeing these new CPU's for AM4 makes me excited to stay for at least another year on AM4. I want to see the benchmarks between the 5800X3D and 5900XT with 73MB cache.
5900XT will be a downgrade from a 5800X3D for games. You can just look at 5950X because it's just a slightly lower clocked 16-core Zen 3 part.
Snake29
Banned
Aah your right, i forgot there was a 5950X!
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Called it.
Beating the X3D would be a massive massive architetural gain.....something I dont exect from AMD.
Now to wait for ArrowLake.
I really wonder what AMD will do if ArrowLake is tied with 9000X3D and their GPUs arent worth the sand.......focus on mobile??
Beating the X3D would be a massive massive architetural gain.....something I dont exect from AMD.
Now to wait for ArrowLake.
I really wonder what AMD will do if ArrowLake is tied with 9000X3D and their GPUs arent worth the sand.......focus on mobile??
Celcius
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AMD confirms Ryzen 7000X3D will remain top gaming performer ahead of 9000 series launch - VideoCardz.com
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D officially faster than Ryzen 9 9700X Don Woligroski (AMD) confirms the difference will be smaller than expected, but the current-gen X3D CPU will be faster. Perhaps this is why AMD is rumored to be launching its Ryzen 9000X3D series much sooner than expected. The latest...
videocardz.com
Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" CPUs Aren't Going To Be Faster Than Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" In Gaming, Says AMD
AMD Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Desktop CPUs might be a huge upgrade but it looks like Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" chips will still be king in gaming.
wccftech.com
"AMD Says That Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" CPUs Will Be Close But Not Faster Than Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" Chips"
This combined with the fact that the x870e boards aren't even coming next month makes the initial Zen 5 launch feel like a nothingburger to me.
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I'm lovin' it. Lol at ppl. like
winjer
continually over-estimating AMD gaming performance.
I love how they say "its faster than the competition in our tests" Yes, AMD marketer, your test that artificially limits Intel performance.
Can't wait till the reviews come out and it either barely beats the ~2-year old 13900K, or loses to it
winjer
continually over-estimating AMD gaming performance.I love how they say "its faster than the competition in our tests" Yes, AMD marketer, your test that artificially limits Intel performance.
Can't wait till the reviews come out and it either barely beats the ~2-year old 13900K, or loses to it
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Unknown Soldier
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Yes but at least AMD CPU's aren't self-destructing due to silicon degradation
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Actually, AM5 bios settings were burning up CPUs and motherboards at one point. Moot, its happened to both of them.
At least Intel isn't twisting the truth in marketing making less informed people believe that their CPUs are better than they really are.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Ah I see you got the new narrative directions already. We were all wondering why you were so silent in the thread about the silicon degradation issues here
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Must have missed it, I turned my notifications off long ago.
What narrative? And why did you ignore the fact that AMD had a similar issue last year? At least I don't go around making shit up to make companies look bad. In this thread the only bad thing about AMD I have said is that they most likley lied on their marketing with Zen5... AMD has lied a lot on marketting recently, and they are misleading a lot of people who don't know better... they can't fool me though.
peish
Member
Zen5 may have a tab bigger IPC gains than zen4 but tmsc N4 is much smaller gains, and amd reuses the 6nm IOD and no longer enjoys the jump from DDR4 to DDR5, any noob can see why zen5 normie is lousy for gaming
7600X actually matched, win in some, loses in some, compared to 5800x3d
9600X will find it harder to achieve the same against 7800x3d
Going to call out this amd guy for lying in our faces when he said it will be closer than ever
7600X actually matched, win in some, loses in some, compared to 5800x3d
9600X will find it harder to achieve the same against 7800x3d
Going to call out this amd guy for lying in our faces when he said it will be closer than ever
RickSanchez
Member
laughs in 7800X3D + 4090
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
These chips will marginly beat 14th gen corresponding chips in gaming.
Then intel will neat them with arrow lake.
Then AMD sill take the crown with the X3D variants.
Then intel will neat them with arrow lake.
Then AMD sill take the crown with the X3D variants.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Its sad that Zen5 is only barely (if at all) better than 13th Gen in gaming, whose cores were an update to the ~3 year old Golden Cove.
I won't be surrpised if Arrow Lake beats Zen5 3D.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
14th gens are effectively 13th gens.
Especially the K chips cuz that clock advantage is moot.
So catching up to the 13th gen isnt exactly something to be showing off.
They will obviously pick titles that heavily favor AMD *stares at Forza Horizon.....so itll look better.
But realistically unless they are priced much much much lower than 7000X3D chips, this is a dud launch.
I wouldnt be so sure about 9000X3D taking the crown from ArrowLake in gaming.
Im sure their 285K will be binned to the max and might actually hold out in alot (read as most) games.
winjer
Member
I'm lovin' it. Lol at ppl. like
I love how they say "its faster than the competition in our tests" Yes, AMD marketer, your test that artificially limits Intel performance.
Can't wait till the reviews come out and it either barely beats the ~2-year old 13900K, or loses to it
Let's start with the obvious. There is only one person that has been claiming that one side will have the better performance.
That's you. At a moment when all we have is the performance data from Intel and AMD, everyone in this thread is saying we need to see independent benchmarks.
You are the only one saying that Intel has already won. And you have spent this entire thread making up excuses that AMD is lying.
At the same time, you pretend that Intel never lied and that all their data is truthful.
You even go so far as to claim the IPC gains for Intel are bigger. Despite the fact that Intel has not shown any gaming performance. In fact, they have not shown performance in real world programs.
Let's just remember that the 14% IPC performance gain that Intel claims for Lion Core, is based on SpecInt, a benchmark made by Intel. Cinebench R23 and R24, Geekbench and 2 browser benchmarks, WbXPRT and Speedometer.
smbu2000
Member
X870e/X870 isn’t that much different from X670e/X670, besides things like mandatory pcie5 slot (X670 had pcie4 gpu slots) and as well as the mandatory usb4 ports. (Optional on x670 and x670e)AMD confirms Ryzen 7000X3D will remain top gaming performer ahead of 9000 series launch - VideoCardz.com
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D officially faster than Ryzen 9 9700X Don Woligroski (AMD) confirms the difference will be smaller than expected, but the current-gen X3D CPU will be faster. Perhaps this is why AMD is rumored to be launching its Ryzen 9000X3D series much sooner than expected. The latest...Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" CPUs Aren't Going To Be Faster Than Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" In Gaming, Says AMD
AMD Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Desktop CPUs might be a huge upgrade but it looks like Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" chips will still be king in gaming.
"AMD Says That Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" CPUs Will Be Close But Not Faster Than Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" Chips"
This combined with the fact that the x870e boards aren't even coming next month makes the initial Zen 5 launch feel like a nothingburger to me.
Both of my X670e motherboards already have usb4. I don’t really think X870e will add much compared to the current X670e which is probably why AMD is launching 9000 series with X670e still the current top.(until X870e releases)
X870e will have 9000 support natively while previous boards will need to update their BIOS.
Insane Metal
Member
Perf at power (+/- 10% margin of error) lmaoLet's start with the obvious. There is only one person that has been claiming that one side will have the better performance.
That's you. At a moment when all we have is the performance data from Intel and AMD, everyone in this thread is saying we need to see independent benchmarks.
You are the only one saying that Intel has already won. And you have spent this entire thread making up excuses that AMD is lying.
At the same time, you pretend that Intel never lied and that all their data is truthful.
You even go so far as to claim the IPC gains for Intel are bigger. Despite the fact that Intel has not shown any gaming performance. In fact, they have not shown performance in real world programs.
Let's just remember that the 14% IPC performance gain that Intel claims for Lion Core, is based on SpecInt, a benchmark made by Intel. Cinebench R23 and R24, Geekbench and 2 browser benchmarks, WbXPRT and Speedometer.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
per amd, not faster than current x3d in gaming.
9000x3d and arrowlake will be interesting.
intel's still washing the sheets after shitting the bed for years, but seems like they're starting to try a bit again.
9000x3d and arrowlake will be interesting.
intel's still washing the sheets after shitting the bed for years, but seems like they're starting to try a bit again.
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Arrow Lake probably will win. AMD alrady claimed Zen5 lost to Zen4 3D in gaming. Raptor Lake Refresh was only ~2% away. I never said Arrow Lake won against Zen5, only that its very likely, since I can't imagine Intel losing performance vs. an ancient 3 year old architecture with updates...
AMD conceding defeat for Zen5 makes it even more likely that Arrow Lake is faster in gaming.
I do say we need to wait for benchmarks, because AMDs provided numbers are bullshit. Zen5 can't be 13% faster than 14900K, if it is slower than Zen4 3D (which is barely faster than 14900K to begin with)
winjer
Member
AMD conceded a defeat to itself. To the 7800X3D. Not to Intel. You are just making stuff up.
Both Lion Core and Zen5 have extensive modifications to their pipelines.
Just because Intel is changing it's marketing terms, and AMD is still using the moniker Zen, means nothing for performance.
You only say that AMD benchmarks are bullshit. While saying that Intel benchmarks are the truth.
Meanwhile, everyone else here is saying to wait for independent benchmarks.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Need to see what process node they are using for the 3d v-cache, will they go down from 7nm? Me thinking Zen 6 will be more interesting as should see the IO use a smaller process node.
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Yes, Zen5 loses to Zen4 3D, why do you go on to make stuff up about me.
I never said Zen5 loses to 14900K, I said it could, since Zen4 3D is barely faster than 14900K.
AMDs numbers are bullshit because I saw what they did.
Intel is still months away from launch, Computex wasn't the reveal of desktop Arrow Lake. There will be new benchmarks from Intel closer to launch, months from now.
This isn't like AMD where they actually know (yeah its slower than Zen4 3D) but then go on to make it look like a beast (we're this much faster than 14900K!!! ...in cherry picked scenarios...
The benchmarks will be great so we can see how far off AMD was when they were less than 2 months from launch.
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Its a shame AMD chose to go with the same cherry picked set of 6 games in their new marketing numers. Why didn't they show a wide range which could lead to a more accurate picture like they did with the 5800X3D?
How can you be 13% faster than 14th Gen, but also be only 12% faster than the old Zen3 3D?
I should have left this poll open as AMDs numbers don't make much sense.
How can you be 13% faster than 14th Gen, but also be only 12% faster than the old Zen3 3D?
I should have left this poll open as AMDs numbers don't make much sense.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Kataploom
Gold Member
Cause they're trying to sell you a CPU, why else if not the reason everyone else has? LOL
They also said to expect more conservative performance uplift anyway since they're focusing on efficiency this time around anyway.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Being only 12% faster than the old Zen3 3D in gaming doesn't seem like a big selling point, but it seems realistic.
There is zero chance any Zen5 (non3D) CPU is 12-13% faster than a 14900K in gaming (which is what AMD is claiming for 9900X and 9950X).
Kataploom
Gold Member
They have said already that those CPUs are not faster than 3D ones from previous gen, they are not meant to replace them, that if you want better performance than those, wait for the new 3D ones
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
They told HUB it was faster though... check post #92.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
First gaming review out, 9900X at only ~92% of 7800X3D.
videocardz.com
Not looking good for Zen5 gaming if that reflects what other reviews find. Might even lose to Raptor Lake.
Italian Zen 5 Review: Ryzen 9 9900X falls short against Ryzen 7 7800X3D in gaming - VideoCardz.com
Ryzen 9 9900X vs 7800X3D in gaming SaddyTech has the world’s first gaming review of Zen5. Italian tech reviewer SaddyTech has obtained a sample of AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 9 9900X processor shortly before its launch. Officially, these processors are set to be released next week, but it seems there...
videocardz.com
Not looking good for Zen5 gaming if that reflects what other reviews find. Might even lose to Raptor Lake.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
97% at 4K. Seems pretty solid, the power requirements though are concerning.First gaming review out, 9900X at only ~92% of 7800X3D.
Italian Zen 5 Review: Ryzen 9 9900X falls short against Ryzen 7 7800X3D in gaming - VideoCardz.com
Ryzen 9 9900X vs 7800X3D in gaming SaddyTech has the world’s first gaming review of Zen5. Italian tech reviewer SaddyTech has obtained a sample of AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 9 9900X processor shortly before its launch. Officially, these processors are set to be released next week, but it seems there...
Not looking good for Zen5 gaming if that reflects what other reviews find. Might even lose to Raptor Lake.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
First gaming review out, 9900X at only ~92% of 7800X3D.
Italian Zen 5 Review: Ryzen 9 9900X falls short against Ryzen 7 7800X3D in gaming - VideoCardz.com
Ryzen 9 9900X vs 7800X3D in gaming SaddyTech has the world’s first gaming review of Zen5. Italian tech reviewer SaddyTech has obtained a sample of AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 9 9900X processor shortly before its launch. Officially, these processors are set to be released next week, but it seems there...
Not looking good for Zen5 gaming if that reflects what other reviews find. Might even lose to Raptor Lake.
Falls right in line with the 7900x falling just short of the 5800X3D in gaming last go around.
Not a surprise. If you're building a gaming-only rig, you wait for the X3D chips.
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
7900X ended up slightly faster than 5800X3D according to most places.
This time it could be around 8% slower (if other reviews line up with this first review).
This is a bad sign for the 9800X3D, if true. If the X3D only adds another 15% as it has usually added to gaming performance, we could be looking at something that might add less than 10% gaming performance over the 7800X3D.
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