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An Ancient Roman novelty souvenir stylus found in London

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
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We’re all familiar with jokey souvenir gifts and so too, it seems, were the Romans. During recent excavations in the City of London, archaeologists uncovered an iron stylus inscribed with an amusing message.

Dating to around AD 70, just a few decades after Roman London was founded, the message sounds just like something you’d find at any cheap souvenir shop today:

“I have come from the city. I bring you a welcome gift with a sharp point that you may remember me. I ask, if fortune allowed, that I might be able [to give] as generously as the way is long [and] as my purse is empty,” it reads.

That’s basically the same as “I went to Rome and all I got you was this lousy pen”!

However, as some have pointed out, there’s an extra barb to the message – “I bring you a welcome gift with a sharp point that you may remember me.” Sounds like a cheeky (and ever so slightly threatening) way to make sure you don’t get forgotten!

When it was first discovered, corrosion made the message hard to read, but after careful work by conservators, it was finally deciphered.

The stylus was discovered by Museum of London Archaeology during excavations for Bloomberg’s European headquarters next to Cannon Street station, on the bank of the river Walbrook, a now-lost tributary of the Thames.

The Bloomberg dig took place between 2010 and 2014 and uncovered some 14,000 artefacts, which archaeologists are still working through.

Other finds included more than 400 waxed writing tablets, which offer insights into the first decades of Roman rule in Britain.

“The tablets are hugely interesting documents, largely relating to legal and business matters, while the stylus is an exceptionally personal object, which you can pick up on the amount of affection and good humour” ” said Michael Marshall, a senior Roman finds specialist, in The Guardian.

The stylus provides a rare glimpse into the way traders, soldiers and officials posted across the Roman Empire kept in touch with friends and family, and strangely delightful to think that even 2,000 years ago, people found it funny to bring each other amusing souvenirs.

The stylus is now on display at the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford until January 2020.
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Miyazaki’s Slave

Gold Member
Nintendo's hardware JUST DOESN'T QUIT!

DS stylus still kicking after 1,955 years...

Seriously though I would love to be at one of those dig sites and find this stuff. I grew up in the mountains of VA/West VA and we would find a lot of left over Civil War items, it was as close to being Indiana jones/Goonies as I got, but each time we would find stuff it would always drive us to look for more.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
Just imagine, at one time there was an artisan and a client, they probably collaborated on the message, the artisan painstakingly etched it into the stylus, then the client probably delivered it with a smirk.

2000 years later their descendants are STILL giggling about it.

THAT'S enduring culture, my friends. To lose that connection with your own past, through losing knowledge to understand it or worse, through apathy or outright malicious destruction of it, is how a people lose their souls. Be glad we can still appreciate this stuff compared to all the folks that have no ability to do so.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins


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We’re all familiar with jokey souvenir gifts and so too, it seems, were the Romans. During recent excavations in the City of London, archaeologists uncovered an iron stylus inscribed with an amusing message.

Dating to around AD 70, just a few decades after Roman London was founded, the message sounds just like something you’d find at any cheap souvenir shop today:

“I have come from the city. I bring you a welcome gift with a sharp point that you may remember me. I ask, if fortune allowed, that I might be able [to give] as generously as the way is long [and] as my purse is empty,” it reads.

That’s basically the same as “I went to Rome and all I got you was this lousy pen”!

However, as some have pointed out, there’s an extra barb to the message – “I bring you a welcome gift with a sharp point that you may remember me.” Sounds like a cheeky (and ever so slightly threatening) way to make sure you don’t get forgotten!

When it was first discovered, corrosion made the message hard to read, but after careful work by conservators, it was finally deciphered.

The stylus was discovered by Museum of London Archaeology during excavations for Bloomberg’s European headquarters next to Cannon Street station, on the bank of the river Walbrook, a now-lost tributary of the Thames.

The Bloomberg dig took place between 2010 and 2014 and uncovered some 14,000 artefacts, which archaeologists are still working through.

Other finds included more than 400 waxed writing tablets, which offer insights into the first decades of Roman rule in Britain.

“The tablets are hugely interesting documents, largely relating to legal and business matters, while the stylus is an exceptionally personal object, which you can pick up on the amount of affection and good humour” ” said Michael Marshall, a senior Roman finds specialist, in The Guardian.

The stylus provides a rare glimpse into the way traders, soldiers and officials posted across the Roman Empire kept in touch with friends and family, and strangely delightful to think that even 2,000 years ago, people found it funny to bring each other amusing souvenirs.

The stylus is now on display at the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford until January 2020.
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I love stuff like this. It reminds you that the Roman world wasn't too dissimilar to today.
 

Aesius

Member
I love stuff like this. It reminds you that the Roman world wasn't too dissimilar to today.
You can go back much further than that and see signs of humanity's rigid and unchanging nature:


This is a letter an adolescent Mesopotamian boy, presumably living in a boarding school of some sort, wrote to his mother in 18th century B.C. complaining about his drab clothing compared to the clothes his friends wore. And he even mentioned that one of his classmates had better clothes than him despite that boy's father being his dad's assistant.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
You can go back much further than that and see signs of humanity's rigid and unchanging nature:


This is a letter an adolescent Mesopotamian boy, presumably living in a boarding school of some sort, wrote to his mother in 18th century B.C. complaining about his drab clothing compared to the clothes his friends wore. And he even mentioned that one of his classmates had better clothes than him despite that boy's father being his dad's assistant.

Yes, Sir. This is the type of stuff that influenced me to study for my History degree. I love primary sources that give us an insight on how people in the past lived, and the older the source the better.
 

NeoIkaruGAF

Gold Member
Yes, Sir. This is the type of stuff that influenced me to study for my History degree. I love primary sources that give us an insight on how people in the past lived, and the older the source the better.
The irony, of course, being that what you find is that we haven’t really changed much in the course of civilization.
We always wanted better dresses, better houses and better carriages than our neighbor’s, we always experimented with the most complicated and dangerous ways to achieve pleasure, we’ve always been sketching penises on every available surface. And, apparently, we’ve always been gifting pens as souvenirs.

Edit: has the original Latin inscription been reported anywhere? I can only make out a few words, and some of those are incomplete anyway.
 
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EviLore

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Staff Member
Just imagine, at one time there was an artisan and a client, they probably collaborated on the message, the artisan painstakingly etched it into the stylus, then the client probably delivered it with a smirk.

2000 years later their descendants are STILL giggling about it.

THAT'S enduring culture, my friends. To lose that connection with your own past, through losing knowledge to understand it or worse, through apathy or outright malicious destruction of it, is how a people lose their souls. Be glad we can still appreciate this stuff compared to all the folks that have no ability to do so.
Well said. History, art, literature, archaeology, etc.,are all so important for placing you in the full context of the world. No one should ever let someone else tell them that understanding the past is problematic.
I love stuff like this. It reminds you that the Roman world wasn't too dissimilar to today.
Indeed. They even had pizza, per a recently uncovered fresco in Pompeii

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Pagusas

Elden Member
I always figured if we could go back in time, we'd probably be shocked by how much things are the same. 2,000 years ago, you'd still have shitty street vendors and merchants. Hell I bet they had people dressed up as Spiderman or the equivalent just hanging around the Colosseum.
 

Hookshot

Member
That "Pizza" above made me think about how absolutely mental Italians must have gone when tomatoes started appearing in their country. All of their dishes suddenly became amazing overnight. I'd like to think they were in the streets, messy faces contorted in ecstasy and fingers dripping with red sauces as they skipped along the cobbles.
 

Tams

Member
That "Pizza" above made me think about how absolutely mental Italians must have gone when tomatoes started appearing in their country. All of their dishes suddenly became amazing overnight. I'd like to think they were in the streets, messy faces contorted in ecstasy and fingers dripping with red sauces as they skipped along the cobbles.

Pesto is still better.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
Love this stuff, EviLore EviLore . Especially ancient jokes that survived and are still faintly funny today (A dog entered a tavern and said: "I can't see a thing. I'll open this one!" )

Just imagine, at one time there was an artisan and a client, they probably collaborated on the message, the artisan painstakingly etched it into the stylus, then the client probably delivered it with a smirk.

2000 years later their descendants are STILL giggling about it.

THAT'S enduring culture, my friends. To lose that connection with your own past, through losing knowledge to understand it or worse, through apathy or outright malicious destruction of it, is how a people lose their souls. Be glad we can still appreciate this stuff compared to all the folks that have no ability to do so.

My mind goes to a lot of Mughal invasions of India that were deliberately destructive of massive libraries, artefacts, temples, writing and culture.
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Think of it this way - a culture doesn't just create the extremely well planned cities disparate in space but consistent in architecture and writing of the Indus Valley civilization on the first try. That points to an even older civilization than we know of. Everything's always getting older and more burried and degraded, sadly. But the Indus Valley script was just decoded, super cool!

 
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Hookshot

Member
Pesto is still better.
I might have been a bit harsh saying it became amazing overnight when yes some non tomato things of theirs are nice but it’s a massive shift, way more than the potato which here in the UK we remember getting.

Whoever the first person to take one of those round breads, cover it in this new red fruit and cheese and cook it was a genius.
 

EviLore

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Staff Member
A little feature on the tablets discovered from the same site:



First ever mention of London found, 65-70 AD:

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And, a fresco from Pompeii of a woman holding a tablet and stylus, pondering (55-79 AD):

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You can go back much further than that and see signs of humanity's rigid and unchanging nature:


This is a letter an adolescent Mesopotamian boy, presumably living in a boarding school of some sort, wrote to his mother in 18th century B.C. complaining about his drab clothing compared to the clothes his friends wore. And he even mentioned that one of his classmates had better clothes than him despite that boy's father being his dad's assistant.

I still get a kick out of the world's oldest surviving customer complaint letter.

 

Tams

Member
I might have been a bit harsh saying it became amazing overnight when yes some non tomato things of theirs are nice but it’s a massive shift, way more than the potato which here in the UK we remember getting.

Whoever the first person to take one of those round breads, cover it in this new red fruit and cheese and cook it was a genius.

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