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At least 5 passengers on first Caribbean cruise in months tests positive for COVID-19
MetalAlien
Banned
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Covid free Cruises?
That ship has sailed.
That ship has sailed.
HellforLeather
Member
but.......all you can eat buffet!
diffusionx
Gold Member
People get sick on cruise ships, it is one reason of many why they are so horrible.
If people want to get on one of those things now, they should be able to. They know the risks. They know they might get infected with a virus that has a 99.98% survival rate, that might give them a cough and a fever for a week, or nothing at all. Let people be adults and make their own damn decisions.
If people want to get on one of those things now, they should be able to. They know the risks. They know they might get infected with a virus that has a 99.98% survival rate, that might give them a cough and a fever for a week, or nothing at all. Let people be adults and make their own damn decisions.
Hulk_Smash
Banned
It’s permanently fucked by our irrational fear of this virus which is exacerbated by the media and our leftist governors and mayors.
Insane Metal
Member
Damn, who would've thought!
Bullshit like this should be bannable. I know very healthy people who died for this fucking virus and in my country so far, almost 170,000 people died this year... 170,000 people who could still be alive.
Show some respect you dumbass.
Bullshit like this should be bannable. I know very healthy people who died for this fucking virus and in my country so far, almost 170,000 people died this year... 170,000 people who could still be alive.
Show some respect you dumbass.
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Hulk_Smash
Banned
Lockdowns aren't the fucking answer. Killing industries to never bring them back aren't the answer. The answer has to be found another way. You think you're the only precious little snowflake that's known people personal to them that have died with COVID? I have, too. I still say what I say, because it's true. This disease ain't even a FRACTION of the Spanish Flu and they didn't do any of this shit for this long back then. You spend your life working for one of these cruise liners only to be out on your ass looking for a way to put food on the table and see how it feels.
FUCK ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS LOCKDOWNS.
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Insane Metal
Member
So you don't give a fuck about people dying. Ok got it.
Hulk_Smash
Banned
Fuck you. How long before people run out of money and starve because they can’t work.
I never said don’t do anything. I said lockdowns aren’t the answer. They won’t stop the spread and other than a phase 1 leave lockdown, they won’t even slow the spread down.
I bet you have a liberal arts degree and you were already on welfare before Covid hweren’t you snowflake?
You don’t know what a day of work looks like do you?
Insane Metal
Member
No I don't and yes I do. I even work on Sundays and Holidays. Don't say what you don't know and don't call me snowflake.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Unfortunately that won't save these industries. Movie theaters are open where I am and Saturday night there were 8 people in the theater 4 of which were my family (ok Monty python and the Holy Grail might not be a big draw) but the entire place was dead even though tickets and concessions were super cheap.
People are choosing to stay away - it's gonna take a lot to instill confidence and a bunch of people catching Covid on the very first cruise is not gonna help at all.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Well, sure, people were forced to stay in their homes and get fed fear mongering propaganda for months. They’re scared of their own shadow.
But that’s a different question entirely. The point is, if someone wants to hop on a cruise now, they know what the situation is. Fact is, for most of us, getting COVID is not a big deal.
Nymphae
Banned
He didn't really cross a line, he said we have an irrational fear, which I think is observable in many parts of the world, and you said he should be banned for it. Just ignore the post if you don't want to be called a snowflake.
Insane Metal
Member
Nymphae
Banned
That's not what you said should be grounds for banning.
Hulk_Smash
Banned
Not to mention he said I didn't care if people died. Calling for me to be censored for telling the truth and then telling me I'm heartless bastard because I don't agree with the METHOD of keeping people safe deserves a "fuck you".
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
These people did hop on a cruise. Politically it might matter but for the cruise companies, theater owners etc it doesn't really matter if it's a government lockdown or people just not wanting to risk it, they are fucked either way.
Dial back the hostile theatrics towards one another.
Thank you.
Thank you.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Re: irrational, didn’t we have those CDC stats which pointed at a 99 point something survival rate for the ‘rona? That was from kids, to much older adults, I believe, and when it got to the ancient people, by far the group we worry about most, the statistic was something like 94% still.
Hulk_Smash
isn’t off base here. The reaction (lockdowns, treating it like a once-a-century plague) doesn’t seem to match the reality.
Hulk_Smash
isn’t off base here. The reaction (lockdowns, treating it like a once-a-century plague) doesn’t seem to match the reality.
Hulk_Smash
Banned
Thank you.Re: irrational, didn’t we have those CDC stats which pointed at a 99 point something survival rate for the ‘rona? That was from kids, to much older adults, I believe, and when it got to the ancient people, by far the group we worry about most, the statistic was something like 94% still.
Rock And Roll
Member
They've started up cruising in Europe and had few problems, but that started in the August/September. With winter coming it's only expected the virus will transmit more easily which we can see with rising numbers across multiple countries. It clearly can't be contained at this point and we have to learn to live with it. I worked in the cruise industry and was getting ready to go back before the virus hit. I have a lot of friends who are out of work due to the extended lockdown. Most of us aren't getting bailed out by the government. Keeping this industry shut down is literally affecting 100 000s of jobs. We need to get back to work and stop having the industry demonized since none of the efforts on land are working.
ipukespiders
Member
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
If I remember cruise ships started or at least accelerated the volume of positive covid tests what the hell is someone doing on a ship months out especially years out of a pandemic?
Mahadev
Member
Rock And Roll
Member
Listen I get cruising isn't for everyone. It is a bit gross (don't go in the hottub for fucks sake unless you want to bath in jizz and bodily fluids) and can draw a certain crowd of people who are a bit unsavoury. But it keeps hundreds of thousands of people employed, boosts the local economy in ports where the boats visit and provides a unique vacation experience you can't get anywhere else (watching the sunset on the ocean is incredible). Not only that but a lot of people really enjoy going on cruises and it is their preferred way to travel. I wouldn't wish for you to lose your job or be unable to do something that brings you a lot of pleasure. I don't understand the general callousness towards this industry. No one forces you to like it or to partake in them, but those who enjoy it shouldn't be denied it, and those who depend on it financially shouldn't be held in limbo trying to figure out if they'll have a job to return to or if they have to go find another gig.
DeepBreath87
Banned
“I think people are too scared of a virus that kills people under 50 at a very similar rate to the flu...”
“YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE DYING!!!111!!1”
It’s so tiresome. Everyone cares about all these deaths in the abstract. Clearly it hurts to lose a loved one. And yes, some infantilism % of healthy people under 60 will die.
But I can tell you for a fact, way more young people are dying because we’re fucking up society right now. Badly. There are a huge number of children and young adults that are falling apart mentally in tragic ways. Suicides and drug ODs are WAY up. Crisis ED visits for young people are WAY up. Alcoholism is rising as a frightening pace.
The problems we are creating with our response to covid are going to FAR outlast the virus’ impact. We are stunting the intellectual and social growth of a generation right now. And not to protect them, but to protect other people. We are stealing their future right now to give to other people.
It would be great to acknowledge that at some point instead of acting like the ones dying of covid are the only people who matter.
“YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE DYING!!!111!!1”
It’s so tiresome. Everyone cares about all these deaths in the abstract. Clearly it hurts to lose a loved one. And yes, some infantilism % of healthy people under 60 will die.
But I can tell you for a fact, way more young people are dying because we’re fucking up society right now. Badly. There are a huge number of children and young adults that are falling apart mentally in tragic ways. Suicides and drug ODs are WAY up. Crisis ED visits for young people are WAY up. Alcoholism is rising as a frightening pace.
The problems we are creating with our response to covid are going to FAR outlast the virus’ impact. We are stunting the intellectual and social growth of a generation right now. And not to protect them, but to protect other people. We are stealing their future right now to give to other people.
It would be great to acknowledge that at some point instead of acting like the ones dying of covid are the only people who matter.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
If we actually looked at the Diamond Princess for what it was, which was the perfect controlled experiment for unchecked COVID spread, we would never have instituted all this tyrannical insanity.
-Virus burned out after infecting 20%-30% of the population
-2/3rd of people were asymptomatic
-Everyone who died was extremely old (13 out of 14 deaths were over 70)
All things that continue to be true in observation of this in the real world
COVID-19 pandemic on Diamond Princess - Wikipedia
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M. Crassus
Member
If we actually looked at the Diamond Princess for what it was, which was the perfect controlled experiment for unchecked COVID spread, we would never have instituted all this tyrannical insanity.
-Virus burned out after infecting 20%-30% of the population
-2/3rd of people were asymptomatic
-Everyone who died was extremely old (13 out of 14 deaths were over 70)
All things that continue to be true in observation of this in the real world
COVID-19 pandemic on Diamond Princess - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Being over 70 isn't "extremely old", nor does it mean that you're not susceptible to intense suffering. Choking on your own lung fluids is a pretty awful experience, and if you're glossing over this fact just because you're personally not in the most vulnerable group, you have a serious lack of empathy.
Then there's a significant percentage of COVID long haulers, many of them young people, that will have to deal with a significantly reduced quality of life for months if not years.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Is it worth destroying the lives of billions of people around the world of all ages (yes including 70+, see old people not able to see their families, not getting the routine care the need, thus increasing their mortality risk for everything) to primarily benefit this one age cohort in this heavy handed way? This may sound crass, but that's just not the way our society worked, ever.
Old people die of everything, it's part of being old, and while we invest a lot, trillions of dollars every year (Medicare -$650B a year, just to start, then add research, etc.) to giving them the care they need, we also operate with the assumption that the priority should be to the young ("women and children first", etc.). From the beginning, there were steps we could have taken to protect the old while letting everyone lives their lives relatively normally, yet in some ways we did the opposite - put the old people at more risk (Cuomo's nursing home genocide) while destroying the lives of everyone else. All of this just seems like the final parting shot from the boomers tbh.
COVID long haul? You mean hypochondria brought on by the mental stresses of isolation and the inability to live a normal life, combined with constant fear mongering? Yes, it is a problem.
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F
Foamy
Unconfirmed Member
This isn't a cruise its an IQ test.
And everyone who got on board failed miserably.
And everyone who got on board failed miserably.
DeepBreath87
Banned
So what? Look up the science on covid in schools before you get your panties in a bunch. Maybe high schools should go remote. That’s pretty much it though. Even alarmist outlets have basically admitted schools are not a driver of transmission.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Just shows you to what degree lockdowns, masks, etc. are not "science" but a cult at this point - like getting the ro is a sign you have made a mistake, not that you caught an infectious disease. See the way they paraded Chris Christie around in the media after he recovered. He's a big lardass who can't take care of himself but they brought him on TV saying he sinned by not wearing a mask and paid the price for it.
DeepBreath87
Banned
More like he paid the price for years and years of bad eating habits combined with a lack of physical activity. It’s not about shame, it’s about consequences. We live in a world now where most people like to pretend they don’t exist.
cryptoadam
Banned
And meanwhile everyone who got sick at that superspreader event seems to have gotten healthy and beat the Rona. Even 74 year old Trump kicked its ass in 5 days. You would think at least one of the people at the Rose Garden would have died from the Rona if not half or 75% of them.
ruvikx
Banned
Covid 19 is not something anyone with normal health under 80 would notice. But the goddamn diarrhoea horror stories on cruise ships... that's worse than any coronavirus.
Super Mario
Banned
So 5 out of about 120 people tested positive? Is that really that out of the ordinary or are we still focused on "OMG CRUSE PETRI DEATH?"
M. Crassus
Member
Do you really find it unlikely that a virus like SARS-CoV2 with all its varied clinical presentations also has long term ramifications for some people? Many of them have similar verifiable symptoms such as hair loss.
notseqi
Member
A loss of memory and an average of 8.5 IQ points lost versus the control group.
Probably nothing, eh?
People whining about lockdown should check their Brawndo stocks, it's coming.
iq: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.20.20215863v1.full.pdf
Exhaustion in 50% of covid patients https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0240784
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DeepBreath87
Banned
You don’t say? Who would’ve thought?
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