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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product

PeteBull

Member
Yes. On both sides it’s a big circle jerk and grift. Especially on YouTube and twitter and shit, the algorithm is showing you what you want to see.
The difference is, one side buys games, other one are just reviewers+devs+ tiny minority that never made any game succesful, we can tell already avoved gonna have nasty low steam ccu number and sales( its on gamepass tho so i bet devs dont give a damn anyways, gamepass promotes mediocrity ;)
 

Sentenza

Member
Goalposts keeps moving. It used to be folks wailing about the gaming press being compromised and YouTubers being the real source of truth.
Obsidian opened the previews to a ton of YouTubers along with the gaming press, and still we’re getting claims of the game being ‘gassed up’ from someone who hasn’t played it.
I've been expressing my concerns about how mediocre Avowed is shaping up to be for the last year and half. You are just slow on the uptake and making wild assumptions about my "real motives" at this point.
 
Tired Puppy GIF by Laurentian University

Tired of all this nonsense.
 

FingerBang

Member
I think we'll see more and more of pronouns in games that started their development around 2020. I bet in five years no one in their sane mind will put this shit that is purely ideological and is nothing more than a pledge to the tribe in their products.

It's a shame, but I went from a "you know, I might play this game" after the previews to a "what the fuck? No" after reading the post above. Not because I care about Elon being called a sad shit, but because I don't believe anything good comes from people who act like that.
 
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King Dazzar

Member
I wonder how this guy feels that he has probably just sunk a 50-80 million (guesstimate) investment from MS / Obsidian.
They are delusionally (imo) overly confident, despite its release window conflicting with other major releases.
Carrie Patel said "I don't think you're ever going to find a window where absolutely nothing is coming out and you're going to be the only one out for a month. But we're very confident that Avowed is going to stand on its own. I'm very excited about a lot of those games coming out personally, and I think that we're also a very distinct experience from them."

But I dont think it'll do terribly, I just dont think it will do well either. Parking the woke stuff for a moment, I think its majorly flawed simply due to it being a 30fps First Person game in 2025.
Morgan Freeman Good Luck GIF
 

Sentenza

Member
Did Balders Gate 3 have this stuff?
BaldUr's Gate 3 overall was as gay as an entire aircraft carrier filled by a legion of miniaturized Elton Johns and Freddie Mercury, yes.
It was a game where it was far easier to stumble on some gay couple than an eterosexual one (like, a 8:2 ratio) and where most of the interactions with your companions were focuses on "romancing" them, with very little room for friendship.

But at least it had its fair share of redeeming qualities in other areas and you didn't spend significant amount of times being lectured on how to properly use pronouns.
 

PeteBull

Member
Yes, GAF darling Baldur's Gate 3 has NON-BINARY options where you will be addressed as THEY/THEM.

So does Hogwart's Legacy.

Waiting for the outrage at those games.

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Outrage didnt happen coz those games are simply good games, priority on both of them were put on product quality, not pushing woke agenda, and sales reflected that, unlike all woke diseasters that bombed ;)
 

Calverz

Member
This is such a dumb argument to begin with. People getting so upset over an optional pronoun. Hogwarts had it and I honestly couldnt give a fuck. I enjoyed the game regardless.
 

thefool

Member
All this pronoun shit feels like some kind of psyop to raise a generation of sexually confused people. I don't get it, and it's getting fucking tiresome.

The LGBTQ+ is a movement that cannot reproduce, it will naturally disappear or stay very residual.
To replicate itself it needs to recurrently find new (living) hosts, why these predatory practices aim children who are much more exposed to be influenced by such confusion. It's vile and sick and needs to be fought back.
 
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King Dazzar

Member
Yes, GAF darling Baldur's Gate 3 has NON-BINARY options where you will be addressed as THEY/THEM.

So does Hogwart's Legacy.

Waiting for the outrage at those games.

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Look deeper at Obsidians previous release and you'll understand the concerns. Personally, I looked past the Outer Worlds cringe bits and still really enjoyed it. But I totally get the worry for Avowed and seeing the pronouns bit has understandably got people fearing the worst.
 

PeteBull

Member
Devs have backed themselves into a corner whereby their game need to be as good as BG3 if they want to inject any woke nonsense into it.

I WILL buy Avowed.

If it's as good as BG3.
On top all the wokeness was completely optional, opposite to many other games, true woke game is not some pronouns that take 5secs to ignore/forget, but that pushes woke agenda, and by proxy its quality is not priority to the devs anymore.

Good example to all that was DA:I from 10years ago vs current DA:V, previous one won Game Awards and sold 12m copies, but if some1 didnt like woke stuff like myself, we could not even see it, i even remember durning whole 120h of the time i played(and enjoyed) it i only enoucetered one(!) questionable dialogue option, which took me by surprise and ofc i didnt chose it, that is it, i could play and have fun with the game like its normal good game which it was (and im glad i bought it at launch for my ps4).
Now in comparision DA:V is exactly opposite- u are forced to suffer tru woke stuff, game quality dropped into oblivion from graphics to story to dialogues to characters, and ofc it bombed, and it bombed hard, rightfully so :)
 
Yes, GAF darling Baldur's Gate 3 has NON-BINARY options where you will be addressed as THEY/THEM.

So does Hogwart's Legacy.

Waiting for the outrage at those games.
I'd say It's mainly down to 2 reasons:
  • Timing - this is coming off the Veilguard
  • Elon tweeting about it has made it a major talking point.
And the games you mentioned have come and gone, and most importantly - they reviewed well.
 
The question here I ask before playing is simple - is the game made specifically to trigger a large group of gamers or are the byproducts of the narrative, world building and art direction go out to trigger that same group?

If it’s the later, I’ll play it as the focus wasn’t on triggering rather an attempt on creating an unique world — artistic freedom. If it’s the first, what a waste of money, time and talent.
 
The question here I ask before playing is simple - is the game made specifically to trigger a large group of gamers or are the byproducts of the narrative, world building and art direction go out to trigger that same group?

If it’s the later, I’ll play it as the focus wasn’t on triggering rather an attempt on creating an unique world — artistic freedom. If it’s the first, what a waste of money, time and talent.

Sadly Matt Hansen let the cat out the bag, it’s the former.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
I wonder what he means about "Wait until you see the default." Don't tell me the default is they/them...

I am not surprised that an art director is a leftist/progressive type. I would expect that type to be over-represented in that field. He shouldn't have said that, though. Bad move. He sounds like a passive aggressive little child. I think this election broke some people on the left. The loons are sounding off on social media. Btw, did you know that a group of loons (the birds) is called an "asylum"? lol

The guy had multiple misspellings in his tweets. I kind of wonder if he was drinking at the time. At best it was emotionally driven posting - hardly ever a good idea.

I'm one of the guys who wasn't particularly bothered by the pronoun option in itself, if that was all it was. Assuming the rest of the game was fine (i.e., good story, characters, dialog), I would just select he/him and get on with it. I just want a good WRPG. I'm still hoping for that. He's the art director, not the narrative director, so maybe he/him didn't affect the storytelling. But this is not a good sign...
 
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PeteBull

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Dang, 14 pages already...

I wonder what he means about "Wait until you see the default." Don't tell me the default is they/them...

I am not surprised that an art director is a leftist/progressive type. I would expect that type to be over-represented in that field. He shouldn't have said that, though. Bad move. I think this election broke some people on the left. The loons are sounding off on social media. Btw, did you know that a group of loons (the birds) is called an "asylum"? lol

The guy had multiple misspellings in his tweets. I kind of wonder if he was drinking at the time. At best it was emotionally driven posting - hardly ever a good idea.

I was one of the guys who wasn't particularly bothered by the pronoun option in itself, if that was all it was - if the rest of the game was fine (i.e., good story, characters, dialog). I was encouraged by the previews and was hoping for a good WRPG. I'm still holding out hope for that - I mean, he's just the art director, not the narrative director, right? - but this is definitely not a good sign...
He can post w/e, we can buy or not buy his game tho, free will and all that shit :messenger_beaming:
If game by some miracle is legit good(i say legit, not DA:V good- where only sellout prof journos praised it ;p) it will be fine, if it turns out to be bad or mediocre, well- tuff luck- we will know soon enough, it wont get delayed anymore :)
In the end
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Look, I've pre-ordered my copy of the game, but I agree with Elon here. This gender pronoun bullshit has no place in video games, and those supporting this far left mental illness nonsense need a wake-up call. Which might sound hypocritical, coming from someone who pre-ordered the game and therefore must be supporting this gender confusion, but I bought avowed for the gameplay, not the politics and if the devs keep promoting this nonsense, then they can shove their far left political views where the sun doesn't shine.
 

thief183

Member
Look, I've pre-ordered my copy of the game, but I agree with Elon here. This gender pronoun bullshit has no place in video games, and those supporting this far left mental illness nonsense need a wake-up call. Which might sound hypocritical, coming from someone who pre-ordered the game and therefore must be supporting this gender confusion, but I bought avowed for the gameplay, not the politics and if the devs keep promoting this nonsense, then they can shove their far left political views where the sun doesn't shine.
See? This IMHO is why we have this stuff, or microtransactions in games. If we keep buying stuff that we don't stand for, whoever are selling them will think that it is ok and keep doing it.

I'm noone to tell you what to do with your money tho.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins


Yep, they're cooked.

Satya finding out in real time what Phil's "hands off approach" has resulted in.


Hold on. How are some extreme comments from a single art director evidence that Microsoft's gaming division is excluding white people? Do we have any more evidence?

That's a bit of a deep stretch, unless of course I'm missing something? If not, then this is what Musk should have questioned before typing his reply. Makes him look foolish.
 

Madflavor

Member
Did Balders Gate 3 have this stuff?
Yes, GAF darling Baldur's Gate 3 has NON-BINARY options where you will be addressed as THEY/THEM.

So does Hogwart's Legacy.

Waiting for the outrage at those games.

Sonic The Hedgehog Waiting GIF by Xbox

Yes but they were smart enough to not to hyper focus on it, and not antagonize the players about it on social media. That’s why there was no outrage, and no one gave a fuck.
 
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