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[XXL]

Not sure I follow. Folks get "censored" talking about stuff all the time here. I'm talking about outright trolls who have no real interest in the subject of the OT.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but all I'm saying is your not going to be able to have a PS5 Pro thread without PC guys coming in a giving their opinions and control it beyond what moderators do already. Every PS5 Pro thread is filled with PC centric people on here already.

I mean, they shouldn't even be there at all if were talking OTs, it would be like a PS5 only people going into Xbox threads talking about PS5.

 

[Topher]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but all I'm saying is your not going to be able to have a PS5 Pro thread without PC guys coming in a giving their opinions and control it beyond what moderators do already. Every PS5 Pro thread is filled with PC centric people on here already.

I mean, they shouldn't even be there at all if were talking OTs, it would be like a PS5 only people going into Xbox threads talking about PS5.

Yeah, but these threads are largely just as much about PCs as they are Pro. Just think platform specific OTs shouldn't include platform wars is all.

 

[XXL]

Yeah, but these threads are largely just as much about PCs as they are Pro. Just think platform specific OTs shouldn't include platform wars is all.

I agree with that.

 

[bender]

edit....nah....nevermind. not going down this rabbit hole again

 

[hououinkyouma00]

The thrust of your argument is on a sub being mandatory. As I and others are saying, that for us it isnt.

Last time Sony revealed PlayStation Plus numbers was in end of FY 2023. 47.4 million subscribers. Between all the active PS4s and PS5s out in the world, that's probably around half the total user base.

Obviously a huge chunk of PlayStation gamers do not feel paid online is needed for what they play.

Sony's PS Plus Subscriber Count Is on the Rise Once Again

Another one million members join

www.pushsquare.com

We need stop pretending online is mandatory. It is not.




Eh....you are just repeating the same thing over and over my man. I'll agree to disagree.

Exactly. It's just people who don't like something finding ways to try to convince other's to not like it as well. It's the same when people try to act like the PS5 pro actually costs $810 because you HAVE to buy a disc drive and the console totally absolutely can't stand up on it's own without a stand.

it is crippled without online support. many games are.

Crippled is subjective because not everybody plays games the way you do.

Also a lot of the most popular games (Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch, Valorant, Genshin, Warzone, and stuff like Warfare, War Thunder, WoT, Enlisted, First Descendant) are free to play games and they don't require PS+ at all.

Also I could be wrong but I don't believe PS+ is required for any F2P titles on PlayStation.

 

[John Wick]

PS5 Pro just isn't a good value for that money,

Yes your right of course it isn't but a Geforce 4090 @ £1500 is bargain of the century innit???

 

[HogIsland]

Crippled is subjective because not everybody plays games the way you do.

it's not subject, it's objective.

 

[squidilix]

Now we know PS5 Pro can run Alan Wake 2 with RT close or better performing than a RX 7800 with better IQ with PSSR, it's safe to say is a good value... for now.

So good luck with the 695$ PC price.

 

[chokotoureiki]

Now we know PS5 Pro can run Alan Wake 2 with RT close or better performing than a RX 7800 with better IQ with PSSR, it's safe to say is a good value... for now.

So good luck with the 695$ PC price.

A $695 PC that'll prolly be obsolete within a year or 2 anyway. At least the Pro is more sustainable until PS6 arrives.

 

[John Wick]

Yes, it’s an all round more powerful tool.

I never realised a PC can be used for so many other things like workstation, CAD, video editing etc etc. I've been doing it all wrong all these years............

 

[Zacfoldor]

Honestly, I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If you have to choose between the shittiest of one thing...and the best in the entire world of the other thing, don't pick the shitty one.

Don't let these people talk you into getting a shitty PC. On paper it may sound so great, but when you get that thing home you will be in a world of hurt until you quit gaming in a few years over the disaster of it all. Nobody wants a cheap as shit piece of non-uniform hardware. Certain parts just should not be skimped on. PC builders like myself already know this, they may just be conveniently leaving it out of this conversation.

If you want a gaming PC save up money until you can afford a real one. If you want the best console in the world currently, preorder a Pro. That's it.

 

[GHG]

Honestly, I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If you have to choose between the shittiest of one thing...and the best in the entire world of the other thing, don't pick the shitty one.

Don't let these people talk you into getting a shitty PC. On paper it may sound so great, but when you get that thing home you will be in a world of hurt until you quit gaming in a few years over the disaster of it all. Nobody wants a cheap as shit piece of non-uniform hardware. Certain parts just should not be skimped on. PC builders like myself already know this, they may just be conveniently leaving it out of this conversation.

If you want a gaming PC save up money until you can afford a real one. If you want the best console in the world currently, preorder a Pro. That's it.

Yep, some of the builds that people are suggesting in pursuit of getting the price below the PS5 Pro are mind bogglingly bad.

If built, some wouldn't even post due to mismatched parts and poor quality components. And why the fuck is anyone suggesting a dead Intel platform when AM5 exists?

Decent builds can be done for the money, but they won't outperform the PS5 Pro in terms of performance. However what you will get is a capable gateway in to PC gaming and a platform that will serve you well for upgrades in the future.

 

[CloudShiner]

False equivalence sure is strong in this thread! Agree with last couple of comments.....don't do it to yourself. And there's no point anyway. If you want a PC, spend more money and get a decent one. Otherwise, PS5 Pro all the way.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Any game can treat the Dualsense or Xbox trigger as 'digital'. The very basic triggers of the Switch pro controller isn't "a bonus".

If you're referring to travel of the trigger button when pressed the triggers on the Switch Pro controller have a lot of travel.
This is before you get into advanced features on the dualsense triggers or optional trigger stops you can get too. With games like Fortnite and Returnal they use the adaptive trigger to reduce travel for an identical 'digital'/low travel button, and even secondary feature in the case of Returnal. Those are bonuses, not the crap triggers on the Switch Pro controller.

The Dualsense Edge has hall effect triggers. Notice the hall sensor in the picture on the right.

if you scroll quickly past this image it looks like a chest X-Ray.

 

[Project EVE]

Many game devs still are prioritizing their Playstation versions over their PC versions, so I just play the best versions depending on what game it is. A powerful PC doesn't mean much if the PC version is a bad port.

 

[Crayon]

Honestly if I had to choose only one (for gaming, not pc stuff), I'd take a $700 pc that comes up a little short of the pro. That's more realistic because I'm not crazy about the idea of building a pc with my choices being constrained to the absolute cheapest stuff.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Nope

 

[diffusionx]

PC is so much more than a games device. Whether or not you want to use it for anything other than gaming if up to you.

For the vast majority of people, there are better options to do all that then a massive loud rectangle sitting under a desk. There are not many use cases for building a computer these days and gaming is still the best and most popular one. Most people can use their phone for all that stuff or a laptop.

 

[proandrad]

With how modern triple A games are optimized, I feel bad for someone building a pc with a sub $700 budget. I have a mid to high end pc that should be miles better than a ps5 pro and the regular PS5 offers a smoother experience in modern titles.

 

[twilo99]

I never realised a PC can be used for so many other things like workstation, CAD, video editing etc etc. I've been doing it all wrong all these years............

Right? Is that stupid Windows operating system that everyone hates so much

 

[Hero_Select]

You get
hundreds of "free" games on PS5 PRO,
not only online access.

You get
zero free games on a pc.

Are you 12?

 

[yogaflame]

The specs and especially the pssr ML capabilities is very good but Sony should have included the disc drive or at least disc drive bundle even with just slight extra price increase just to lessen the burden for looking for disc drive. But I still plan to get once next year, but i hope Sony will realize to release another version with disc drive.

 

[Topher]

it's not subject, it's objective.

No, it isn't. Objectively some games require online for some features. Whether or not that "cripples" anything is going to vary from person to person and so it is subjective.

The specs and especially the pssr ML capabilities is very good but Sony should have included the disc drive or at least disc drive bundle even with just slight extra price increase just to lessen the burden for looking for disc drive. But I still plan to get once next year, but i hope Sony will realize to release another version with disc drive.

They could have offered a 1 TB option with the disc drive and I would have chosen that over a 2 TB without drive.

 

[yogaflame]

No, it isn't. Objectively some games require online for some features. Whether or not that "cripples" anything is going to vary from person to person and so it is subjective.



They could have offered a 1 TB option with the disc drive and I would have chosen that over a 2 TB without drive.

That is also what I'm thinking. Discdrive and 1 TB version and No discdrive with 2 TB. I hope they see that survey that 80 percent who bought ps5 OG have disc drive and there is still substantial number of physical buyer and collector including me. I hope next year or the following year, a version 2.0 with discdrive will come out.

 

[Topher]

That is also what I'm thinking. Discdrive and 1 TB version and No discdrive with 2 TB. I hope they see that survey that 80 percent who bought ps5 OG have disc drive and there is still substantial number of physical buyer and collector including me. I hope next year or the following year, a version 2.0 with discdrive will come out.

I think probably their numbers show they maximize profit with the extra SSD space more than the drive so I'm doubtful they will do that, but hope I'm wrong.

 

[HogIsland]

No, it isn't. Objectively some games require online for some features. Whether or not that "cripples" anything is going to vary from person to person and so it is subjective.

it objectively lacks core capabilities and is therefore crippled. whether you personally use them or not is the subjective question. you could similarly absurdly say it's subjective that the PS4 is a PS5 if you only play PS4 games.

 

[Topher]

it objectively lacks core capabilities and is therefore crippled. whether you personally use them or not is the subjective question. you could similarly absurdly say it's subjective that the PS4 is a PS5 if you only play PS4 games.

Not necessarily true. I can play Metaphor without the online component and the core capabilities of the game are not impacted at all. So no....not "crippled". The problem is you want to treat every single game as if they are all the same, but that just is not the case and so that there is nothing "objective" about that claim.

Yes, your example is absurd, but it isn't similar at all.

 

[DoubleClutch]

For the vast majority of people, there are better options to do all that then a massive loud rectangle sitting under a desk. There are not many use cases for building a computer these days and gaming is still the best and most popular one. Most people can use their phone for all that stuff or a laptop.

Nonsense, anyone that does professional technical work requires a high end PC.

Complex financial modeling or data science, computer science, many engineering CAD programs… good luck doing that on your phone or tablet.

The beauty of a PC is you can build it how you want. I have a fairly high end cooler and it’s silent when my PC is on full blast.

Most of the people working with AI and machine learning are on desktop.

 

[diffusionx]

Nonsense, anyone that does professional technical work requires a high end PC.

Complex financial modeling or data science, computer science, many engineering CAD programs… good luck doing that on your phone or tablet.

The beauty of a PC is you can build it how you want. I have a fairly high end cooler and it’s silent when my PC is on full blast.

Most of the people working with AI and machine learning are on desktop.

All that stuff can be done with a laptop these days, and often is. heck that is Apple's selling point for their MBPs which don't even use x86 anymore. Tons of creative and engineering people use MBPs, and can power high resolution monitors.

All this high end computer stuff is for gaming 98 times out of 100. And like, look, it's fine, but let's not pretend that desktop PCs are the center of peoples' tech lives anymore. They're not and have not been for a very long time.

 

[DoubleClutch]

All that stuff can be done with a laptop these days, and often is. heck that is Apple's selling point for their MBPs which don't even use x86 anymore. Tons of creative and engineering people use MBPs, and can power high resolution monitors.

All this high end computer stuff is for gaming 98 times out of 100. And like, look, it's fine, but let's not pretend that desktop PCs are the center of peoples' tech lives anymore. They're not and have not been for a very long time.

You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Many key features of Excel don’t even work on Mac. Laptops suck, and unless you need portability, desktop is better in every way.

Nvidia makes more money on non-gaming applications.

 

[diffusionx]

You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Many key features of Excel don’t even work on Mac. Laptops suck, and unless you need portability, desktop is better in every way.

Nvidia makes more money on non-gaming applications.

Yea, companies that need people to work on Excel give them laptops, not desktops with 4080 GPUs lol. If you need power you connect to the grid they maintain. Nvidia is making money on "non-gaming" because they are selling thousands of $50,000 AI chips to companies like Google who are building grids, people are still buying GPUs to play videogames lol. Laptops don't "suck" and haven't for a very long time, you're just coping. I am pretty sure that the majority of the PC market these days is laptops and they outsell desktops handily.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Yea, companies that need people to work on Excel give them laptops, not desktops with 4080 GPUs lol. If you need power you connect to the grid they maintain. Nvidia is making money on "non-gaming" because they are selling thousands of $50,000 AI chips to companies like Google who are building grids, people are still buying GPUs to play videogames lol. Laptops don't "suck" and haven't for a very long time, you're just coping. I am pretty sure that the majority of the PC market these days is laptops and they outsell desktops handily.

Again, you’re just not correct.

There are plenty of people running local models and those that do opt for desktop GPUs. CUDA for example is not just for large data centers.

Notebooks are designed with portability in mind. A workstation will always be better for serious work.

 

[diffusionx]

Again, you’re just not correct.

There are plenty of people running local models and those that do opt for desktop GPUs. CUDA for example is not just for large data centers.

Notebooks are designed with portability in mind. A workstation will always be better for serious work.

Yea maybe that’s the 2 out of the 100 I cited. Doesn’t change my point. The biggest use case for desktop PCs these days is gaming.

Hundreds of millions of people do “serious work” every day on a laptop. You’re just totally wrong if you think you need a desktop to do excel and programming and shit lol.

 

[Topher]

Again, you’re just not correct.

There are plenty of people running local models and those that do opt for desktop GPUs. CUDA for example is not just for large data centers.

Notebooks are designed with portability in mind. A workstation will always be better for serious work.

Sure, but aren't you talking about computers that are typically provided by your employer anyway? Those usually don't even leave the office. Even if they do, we are talking about a small subset of workers who are even allowed to use company equipment for personal use. A PC has more uses than a console and that's simply a fact, but a non-gaming PC/console combination is a perfectly viable option for many.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Yea maybe that’s the 2 out of the 100 I cited. Doesn’t change my point. The biggest use case for desktop PCs these days is gaming.

Hundreds of millions of people do “serious work” every day on a laptop. You’re just totally wrong if you think you need a desktop to do excel and programming and shit lol.

Your point keeps changing, and you haven’t cited anything.

Why don’t you show me a commercially available Threadripper notebook? Do you think Threadrippers are only to flex e-peen?

Intel Prevails In Client CPU Sales, But Threadripper Pro Outsold Xeon Nearly 20:1 : Report

CPUs, GPUs and storage sales data for 2022

www.tomshardware.com

I wonder where all those desktop sales go.

You’re welcome to hold whatever view you want but it’s wrong. First you said everything can be done on a MacBook, when it can’t.

Workstations will always be more productive and affordable by their very nature. A heavy price is paid for portability, not just in cost but function.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Sure, but aren't you talking about computers that are typically provided by your employer anyway? Those usually don't even leave the office. Even if they do, we are talking about a small subset of workers who are even allowed to use company equipment for personal use. A PC has more uses than a console and that's simply a fact, but a non-gaming PC/console combination is a perfectly viable option for many.

And? There are more jobs every day which demand serious computing power.

And if someone is using a notebook 100% plugged in all the time, a desktop is better in every instance. Cheaper, more power/better performance due to thermal headroom, quieter… etc.

 

[Jakk]

Yes your right of course it isn't but a Geforce 4090 @ £1500 is bargain of the century innit???

No, obviously it is not. And my right what?

 

[diffusionx]

Your point keeps changing, and you haven’t cited anything.

Why don’t you show me a commercially available Threadripper notebook? Do you think Threadrippers are only to flex e-peen?

Intel Prevails In Client CPU Sales, But Threadripper Pro Outsold Xeon Nearly 20:1 : Report

CPUs, GPUs and storage sales data for 2022

www.tomshardware.com

I wonder where all those desktop sales go.

You’re welcome to hold whatever view you want but it’s wrong. First you said everything can be done on a MacBook, when it can’t.

Workstations will always be more productive and affordable by their very nature. A heavy price is paid for portability, not just in cost but function.

The number of people who need a Threadripper is incredibly small, which is why AMD charges a gazillion dollars for one. And I would guess a huge chunk of the ones bought were for gaming and flexing yea lol.

You're really not saying anything I am not. You are focusing about edge cases here. The vast majority of people dont need all that computing power and haven't for years. Most companies give their employees a laptop to do work. You can dispute this, it's true. You don't need a massive computer to access the huge AI grid that Google or Facebook spent billions of dollars on and is paying employees tons of money to work on. There are lots of people doing stuff like video editing on Macbooks. By far the biggest reason to build a powerful desktop with a mammoth GPU is to play videogames. it's just how it is. Just because you point to a couple uses, I don't disagree, it's just an extreme minority. And even if you do build that huge PC, you can do like 95% of the stuff that people use this tech for on a phone, which people do.

 

[Topher]

And? There are more jobs every day which demand serious computing power.

And if someone is using a notebook 100% plugged in all the time, a desktop is better in every instance. Cheaper, more power/better performance due to thermal headroom, quieter… etc.

And your post has nothing to do with what I said so never mind.

 

[DoubleClutch]

The number of people who need a Threadripper is incredibly small, which is why AMD charges a gazillion dollars for one. And I would guess a huge chunk of the ones bought were for gaming and flexing yea lol.

You're really not saying anything I am not. You are focusing about edge cases here. The vast majority of people dont need all that computing power and haven't for years. Most companies give their employees a laptop to do work. You can dispute this, it's true. You don't need a massive computer to access the huge AI grid that Google or Facebook spent billions of dollars on and is paying employees tons of money to work on. There are lots of people doing stuff like video editing on Macbooks. By far the biggest reason to build a powerful desktop with a mammoth GPU is to play videogames. it's just how it is. Just because you point to a couple uses, I don't disagree, it's just an extreme minority. And even if you do build that huge PC, you can do like 95% of the stuff that people use this tech for on a phone, which people do.

If you don’t disagree then why say it’s 2/100? There is no way enterprise desktops are 2% of the market. I guarantee you desktops aren’t simply gaming devices, personal or not. Plenty of prebuilts with iGPUs are sold every day by Lenovo, Dell, HP…

And powerful hardware is not just to access big tech’s AI, nor is gaming the primary reason. Aside from media editing, Mac is garbage for most anything professional that requires compute.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

No but I'll say it's worth it to spend extra for a PC compared to a PS5 Pro even if you have to spend double. A PC is something that 99.9% of it's owner will turn on when they're home and do almost everything on it while there's many that would put the console away for weeks or even months after they're done playing their favorites games.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No but I'll say it's worth it to spend extra for a PC compared to a PS5 Pro even if you have to spend double. A PC is something that 99.9% of it's owner will turn on when they're home and do almost everything on it while there's many that would put the console away for weeks or even months after they're done playing their favorites games.

100% true.

Comparisons like this are weird because PC is more versatile. Also, console makers will subsidize prices a lot more even leading to loss leading sales, while for PCs they are sold for a profit day one.

It's like comparing a two-slice toaster to a toaster oven. Both toast bread fine. A standard toaster can toast two thin pieces of bread or bagels and can cost only $20. But a toaster oven is bigger, more versatile, and the bigger models can even roast a chicken in it. But it costs more.