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[VGEsoterica]

Maybe its just nostalgia talking and the fact I got Castlevania 64 for my birthday in 1999...but I've never fully understood the amount of crap C64 and Legacy of Darkness received from fans. Sure they aren't the classic 2D entries we all grew up with and fell in love with...but that doesn't mean they aren't fun in their own right.

It was a blast to see Castlevania go into the third dimension and suddenly look so different from what we were used to. Levels were bigger, exploration felt grander and seeing all the iconic monsters in 3D was really a sight to behold when these games released. Throw in some light puzzle solving and a legit SOLID soundtrack (especially for Nintendo 64 / cartridges vs something like Symphony of the Night having CDs to store the music) and you have a genuinely enjoyable experience all around.

Then Legacy of Darkness comes in...expands the entire game...and fixes some of the shortcomings of the original Castlevania 64.

Curious who else on GAF enjoys these two games? Because even if a game isn't great doesn't stop us from loving it!

So whats your fav '"ts not great but I still love it" game. For me the number one pick would be Jersey Devil on PS1. NOT a good game...but I love it

 

[01011001]

Crackdown 3 is my pick.


I also really like Castlevania 64 tbh. and it's not nostalgia for me. I never played it when it first released. I played it for the first time like 5 years ago

 

[RoboFu]

Yeah I liked it... Disapointing for castlevania but fun in its own right.

 

[nkarafo]

It's not as good as the best 2D ones but it's still the best 3D Castlevania in my book. Though the standards are low.

 

[Punished Miku]

It's pretty terrible. But I love playing bad games sometimes. You can kind of see the man behind the curtain a bit, instead of everything being so polished it barely feels like a game. I also kinda miss the era when games were experimenting on how to handle 3D movement, camera, combat. It's homogenized for a reason in many cases, but I miss the inventiveness and variety still.

 

[VGEsoterica]

It's not as good as the best 2D ones but it's still the best 3D Castlevania in my book. Though the standards are low.

standards are so low they dug a hole in the basement so they could get lower than basement level

 

[Punished Miku]

standards are so low they dug a hole in the basement so they could get lower than basement level

The series is certainly weird in 3D, but man I miss the PS2 ones. And let's not even discuss Lords of Shadow since I think it's by far the best in the entire series.

 

[Romulus]

I liked it at the time, but it doesn't hold up as well as many other n64 games.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Mission Impossible comes to mind on the N64 of games I know are bad, but love anyways.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Deadly Premonition 1 and 2. Both severely flawed. But they're weird and have great charm. I even played the second one for like 40+ hours at about 15fps. haha

 

[VGEsoterica]

Deadly Premonition 1 and 2. Both severely flawed. But they're weird and have great charm. I even played the second one for like 40+ hours at about 15fps. haha

Deadly Premonition is a masterpiece. I stand by that. Technically flawed, thematically amazing

 

[deriks]

It's not a big flawed, it's a lot. Camera is weird, no Z targeting, confused map, difficulty spikes all over the game... I played for love, but holy shit, it's tough to swallow

 

[01011001]

Deadly Premonition 1 and 2. Both severely flawed. But they're weird and have great charm. I even played the second one for like 40+ hours at about 15fps. haha

the second one was really hard to get through tho. terrible game in every aspect. the first one wasn't really that awful, at least if you take into account where it came from.

as a game originally developed for PSP and then ported over to 360 it's overall decent I'd say.

but the second one is not only FAR WORSE IN EVERY WAY but it also has no excuse now anymore.

I love them too but god damn that second game is really hard to love

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

the second one was really hard to get through tho. terrible game in every aspect. the first one wasn't really that awful, at least if you take into account where it came from.

as a game originally developed for PSP and then ported over to 360 it's overall decent I'd say.

but the second one is not only FAR WORSE IN EVERY WAY but it also has no excuse now anymore.

I love them too but god damn that second game is really hard to love

It was too grindy and the combat sections were too padded. I like the skateboard a lot more than the car though. I had to see it through to the end, but yea, the first one is better in every way except the mode of transportation imo.

 

[01011001]

It was too grindy and the combat sections were too padded. I like the skateboard a lot more than the car though. I had to see it through to the end, but yea, the first one is better in every way except the mode of transportation imo.

the skateboard was a cool idea indeed... could have done more with it tho. it only was used once I think in a way that isn't just going from point A to point B

the worst part for me in 2 were that all of the dungeons were the exact same just with different layouts that all looked like really badly made procedurally generated mazes

 

[VGEsoterica]

the skateboard was a cool idea indeed... could have done more with it tho. it only was used once I think in a way that isn't just going from point A to point B

the worst part for me in 2 were that all of the dungeons were the exact same just with different layouts that all looked like really badly made procedurally generated mazes

the dungeons were a bit of a letdown

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[00_Zer0]

Maybe its just nostalgia talking and the fact I got Castlevania 64 for my birthday in 1999...but I've never fully understood the amount of crap C64 and Legacy of Darkness received from fans. Sure they aren't the classic 2D entries we all grew up with and fell in love with...but that doesn't mean they aren't fun in their own right.

It was a blast to see Castlevania go into the third dimension and suddenly look so different from what we were used to. Levels were bigger, exploration felt grander and seeing all the iconic monsters in 3D was really a sight to behold when these games released. Throw in some light puzzle solving and a legit SOLID soundtrack (especially for Nintendo 64 / cartridges vs something like Symphony of the Night having CDs to store the music) and you have a genuinely enjoyable experience all around.

Then Legacy of Darkness comes in...expands the entire game...and fixes some of the shortcomings of the original Castlevania 64.

Curious who else on GAF enjoys these two games? Because even if a game isn't great doesn't stop us from loving it!

So whats your fav '"ts not great but I still love it" game. For me the number one pick would be Jersey Devil on PS1. NOT a good game...but I love it

Yeah I've been meaning to play Legacy of Darkness with the fanmade texture pack one day. One so-so game I enjoyed back in the day was Broken Helix for PS1. I played that game from start to finish and enjoyed all of Bruce Campbells one liners.

 

[Big Baller]

I remember liking it but I was a young ass kid.

 

[OCASM]

Replayed both of them last month. They're pretty good games. Atmosphere and music wise they're excellent. The only people who hate them are the 2D purists.

LoD is not exactly a superset of C64 so if you've never played them my recommendation is to play them like this:
- LoD: Kornell's quest.
- C64: Carrie's quest.
- C64: Reindhart's quest.
- LoD: Henry's quest.
- LoD: Carrie's / Reinhart's quests.

 

[EverydayBeast]

N64 wasn’t meant to be a showcase for Castlevania games.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I’m going to go with Minecraft Dungeons. I’ve never played Minecraft in my life, but as a fan of ARPGs I gave this a shot during a Game Pass promo.

My first impression was this is baby’s first ARPG. And it kinda is… but then I kept playing it…and playing it..and playing it.

I was still having fun regardless. Hell, I’m thinking of grabbing the Ultimate Edition right now while it’s on sale. There’s just something about an ARPG that grabs me.

 

[01011001]

I’m going to go with Minecraft Dungeons. I’ve never played Minecraft in my life, but as a fan of ARPGs I gave this a shot during a Game Pass promo.

My first impression was this is baby’s first ARPG. And it kinda is… but then I kept playing it…and playing it..and playing it.

same

 

[dwish]

Got a bunch of those on PS1. Some examples...

Future Cop LAPD
Unholy War
Ehrgeiz
Hogs of War
Croc

Edit:
More recently, FFXV

 

[VGEsoterica]

Got a bunch of those on PS1. Some examples...

Future Cop LAPD
Unholy War
Ehrgeiz
Hogs of War
Croc

Edit:
More recently, FFXV

Was just playing Ehrgeiz...such a weird game. Janky AF on PS1 but great on the arcade board

 

[kunonabi]

CV64 is my favorite game in the series even if I consider III to be the best. It was one of the only 3D platformers of the era that felt like a classic platformer with its tight jumps, invisible and rotating platforms, and aggressive enemy placement. I enjoyed the story and characters, the atmosphere, bigger focus on actual vampire elements, and how the castle actually felt like a real place.

It had issues to be sure, although I was lucky enough to avoid one of them, but to me it's still the template for classic Castlevania gameplay in 3D. I wasn't so fond of Legacy of Darkness though since I preferred the original stage layouts.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Dragon's Dogma my be the epitome of flawed games that are still real fun to play.

When it comes to Castlevania 64, I wasn't able to get into it. That first level in the forest drained most of my will to keep playing it.

 

[Stamps1646]

No joke, Castlevania 64 is one of my favorite N64 games.

 

[Captain Toad]

Isn't Goonies 2 on the NES supposed to be bad? I loved it as a kid.

I don't remember much about it I'm sure if I tried replaying it today, I'd ruin my childhood memory.

 

[Marchizmo]

For some reason I really liked Two Worlds when it came out in all it's eurojank glory.

 

[JimmyF]

Did not play c64, but Legacy is an incredible game.
Controls and camera were quite good for its time and the platforming was surprisingly good as well. The team that made this game did a good job, remember this was the early days of 3D games and a lot of developers struggled with 3d back then.
If you like the Souls games then this should be right up your alley.

C64 and LoD get a lot of underserved hate, I mean it's nowhere near Earthworm Jim 3D bad.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Got a bunch of those on PS1. Some examples...

Future Cop LAPD
Unholy War
Ehrgeiz
Hogs of War
Croc

Edit:
More recently, FFXV

Hey, oi, what in the hell?

Hogs of War and Future cop was brilliant i'll have you know!

 

[Crayon]

Oof I have so many games I love that really are not all that. That gets divided into ones that I would and would not play now.

Here's a really rough one that I will still play - Mechwarrior 2 on ps1/saturn. A case where dumbing something down has some pretty decent results. It's not better than the original by any stretch but I like it alot.

 

[chilichote]

I loved The Void on PS3. And Crackdown 3 on Xbox One

 

[BlackTron]

N64 wasn’t meant to be a showcase for Castlevania games.

PSX wasn't meant to be a Castlevania showcase either and we got SotN out of it.

Just because a console wasn't "meant" for a series doesn't mean we shouldn't judge a game on it by its own merits.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[jaysius]

VGEsoterica No youtube video this time?

 

[TintoConCasera]

VGEsoterica No youtube video this time?

He forgot lol, here's the video.



Don't mind the shilling, those threads are probably amongst my favorite ones on gaf.

 

[VGEsoterica]

He forgot lol, here's the video.



Don't mikd the shilling, those threads are probably amongst my favorite ones on gaf.

moderator deleted it...so I guess thats not allowed any more...bummer, always enjoyed these threads. I mean views from Gaf are sub 1% of my traffic so...no biggie lol. Just good to have a visual aid

 

[Strider7]

Recently, Gotham Knights. Older games that many would consider trash, yet I love: Wanted: Weapons of Fate, COD Ghosts, Hitman Absolution, and Splinter Cell Conviction and Blacklist.

 

[dwish]

Hey, oi, what in the hell?

Hogs of War and Future cop was brilliant i'll have you know!

I totally agree, but they still have issues

 

[AV]

moderator deleted it...so I guess thats not allowed any more...bummer, always enjoyed these threads. I mean views from Gaf are sub 1% of my traffic so...no biggie lol. Just good to have a visual aid

Are the videos monetised? That might be the issue. If not I would tag a mod and get an explanation, I can't see it being a big issue if you aren't trying to make money off GAF traffic.

 

[GeekyDad]

With a 37 out of 100 on Metacritic, Tenchu: Dark Secret is still one silly but fun as f*** DS games I love to go back to.

Look at those yummy graphics

I always remember this one when one of these threads comes up. It was all about setting the traps. The combat blew ass, but if you set the traps mindfully, you would bounce the enemy from one trap to the next (usually about three or four), and it would off them. Just beautiful, mindless fun.

 

[01011001]

With a 37 out of 100 on Metacritic, Tenchu: Dark Secret is still one silly but fun as f*** DS games I love to go back to.

Look at those yummy graphics

I always remember this one when one of these threads comes up. It was all about setting the traps. The combat blew ass, but if you set the traps mindfully, you would bounce the enemy from one trap to the next (usually about three or four), and it would off them. Just beautiful, mindless fun.

on that note may I bring up the Xbox 360 exclusive Tenchu Z by little known development house From Software?

loved that game even tho you play missions set in the same 5 or 6 level maps for the whole game and it has some jank to it... but it was just fun running across roofs and air-stealth-killing people



on a similar note, again Xbox 360 exclusive, again From Software,
Ninja Blade!

Basically a super arcady and kinda janky character action game that's super fun and which I almost 100% completed while having it loaned from a friend for the weekend back in the day

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

50 Cent Blood on the Sand
The Bigs

Are two more recent examples that come to mind.

 

[Kazza]

Classic:

I wonder if this was a common opinion back then? Does anyone know how the review scores compared?

 

[GeekyDad]

... little known development house From Software? ...

 

[DGrayson]

moderator deleted it...so I guess thats not allowed any more...bummer, always enjoyed these threads. I mean views from Gaf are sub 1% of my traffic so...no biggie lol. Just good to have a visual aid

This is false. We said quite clearly that you are allowed to post your videos but 7 since 1 November is too much. 1-2 per month is fine and welcome. I always like your threads.