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Charlie Hebdo cartoon on dead Syrian child sparks anger
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BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
We're still mad about cartoons, huh?
entremet
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Led_Zeppelin
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Anger from whom? Ohh I see now, so when Charlie Hebdo makes a Muhammadcomic and is attacked then we cry with them and about the lack or free speech or whatever but if they "cross" the line when they make a joke about immigrants?
How about using common sense and see the shitty joke as it is and move on?
How about using common sense and see the shitty joke as it is and move on?
Battersea Power Station
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What?
We can absolutely be upset at cartoons, especially ones as disgusting as this one. It's for sure 150% not ok to kill people over cartoons, but it's perfect fine to be upset at a cartoon depicting Muslim immigrants as molestors, and use a dead child to prove your point.
It's the exact same as if the US had cartoons depicting a dead child as a terrorist or something.
Crash Station
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At least the kid lives in this scenario.
Led_Zeppelin
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See the twitter reaction.
LQX
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Why should hateful images be exempt from criticism?
Nappuccino
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I've always been slightly confused by their intent. Are they actually saying this child is a molester, or are they making fun of people terrified of immigrants?
My gut says the later, but everyone's reaction suggests other former reading.
My gut says the later, but everyone's reaction suggests other former reading.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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If he just wrote "good thing he drowned or else he'd be molesting our women" as a sentence it wouldn't get as much support though
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Dems is just jokes..
Charlie Hebdo has been like that for over 40 years
It's more Southpark mimiking them if such an analogy was to be made
Yeah, I need to know the caption before passing judgement- the prior comic referencing the dead kid was blasting people for ignoring the plight of refugees.
And here we go for another round of "I don't understand satire, therefore I am offended; but I definitely won't take a minute to think about the issue it's addressing, because why would I want to attempt to tackle a serious issue happening in the world when I can go after the low hanging fruit of a shitty comic strip". This is not a hard thing to understand if you have any inkling of the current climate in Europe. It's maddening about how this will probably generate more "discussion" on the internet than the actual hate going on.
Ah I see. Interesting.
It's odd that I see South Park as being more intelligent. Couldn't begin to explain why though. This just comes across as mindless picking and teasing coupled with severe othering.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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From the linked article
Although there could be some nuance to the French not conveyed
1.21Gigawatts
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I think the cartoon is highly racist and disgusting, but at this point they're probably just doing it for the reactions.
Its not like this cartoon has any political value or message. (I mean other than: "lol, immigrants are monkey-like rapists, we're better off when they land dead on european shores")
I don't know why there shouldn't be outrage about this cartoon. When Trump or whoever says something racist everyone is outrages, too.
Criticising something doesn't mean you want to take their right to free speech away.
Its not like this cartoon has any political value or message. (I mean other than: "lol, immigrants are monkey-like rapists, we're better off when they land dead on european shores")
I don't know why there shouldn't be outrage about this cartoon. When Trump or whoever says something racist everyone is outrages, too.
Criticising something doesn't mean you want to take their right to free speech away.
Pinko Marx
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I don't get the joke. Or what it's satirizing.
It's typical french satyre though, it's nothing new and is meant to offend/disturb/make one pause and think
But they very often fall flat
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
You could make the argument that it's about how easily perceptions of large groups of people can change. Some people that were sad or mourning over the dead child could now be some of the same people crying foul over the recent New Years sexual assaults. If you dont really know any immigrants, but know of the dead child, you might feel sympathy for those people. On the flip side, if you dont know any and all you hear about them are how they sexually assault the women of the countries letting them seek refuge, you might get a negative bias towards them as well.
Point being?
Ah I see.
Huh. French humor is weird. I'm sure this isn't indicative of the entirety of French humor though, because if it is, then France must be quite a depressing place.
zero shift
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I find it so depressing that THIS is the publication that sparked so much controversy and has garnered so much support for the (rightful) case of free speech, rather than an actual intelligent publication. If they are trying to be a "right-wing South Park" then they are doing a really shitty job at it as a lot of their cartoons are just tasteless and dumb.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Point being they wouldn't get as much support if it was a sentence (or editorial) written out and not a political cartoon
who really knows what position that's supposed to be taking anyway
For starters, it's a cartoon. Even if it didn't have any satirical meaning beneath face value, ignore it and do something useful with your life other than frothing impotently.
Secondly, this is a pretty typical example of a certain type of French satirical humour. It's mocking the perception of immigrants/refugees as rapists/molesters by asking if that's what we'd be saying about the dead kid if he'd been a grown-up who survived. Not complicated.
Secondly, this is a pretty typical example of a certain type of French satirical humour. It's mocking the perception of immigrants/refugees as rapists/molesters by asking if that's what we'd be saying about the dead kid if he'd been a grown-up who survived. Not complicated.
Charlie Hebdo does make me pause and think. But it's usually about how Charlie Hebdo comes across as massively racist without fail.
Yeah I mean, it's not like cartoons have ever played a large part in the propagation of negative stereotypes and perceptions of another race before... oh wait...
In a twisted way, they're mocking people who put all immigrants in the same bag and view them as molesters/rapists/terrorists/thieves and so on.
It's very very french
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm so glad I'm too cool to be offended at "if that monkey kid hadn't drowned, he would be raping our white women" or something I guess.
Duane Cunningham
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Yeah, it's pretty gross, but I kind of read it as satire of people who think things like this. "He'd probably just have have grown up to be a killer/terrorist/etc anyway" is totally something xenophobic assholes would say.
Irony, sarcasm, making fun of awfull things is how french humorists/cartoonists operate mostly, we like our "humour noir" (dark humor)
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Why do people have to be "frothing impotently" to find something kind of fucked up
Why do you care instead of doing something useful with your life
So their comic is a parody on how people who are anti-immigration view immigrants, similar to how they depicted the people ignoring the immigration issue before with the dead kid?
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Nope, that's how it's supposed to be read.
Prety much
Does it really?
I'm honestly asking because that is not something that comes across to my non French eyes.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
They really don't give a shit though.
How I understand it is that they're trying to juxtapose both contradicting feeling to show how people can be quick to change their opinion depending on the situation.
Like a couple of months ago it was "Those poor refugees, risking their lives to find a better place" and now it's "Those ungrateful refugees, how can they do this to people who took them in"
That's my personal understanding of it.
You have to understand how Charlie Operates
They already used the dead kid once, to show christians (Jesus actually) walk on water and beeing "good people" while the kid was dead in the background
With what happened in Koln during NYE, the backlash against immigrants is huge and they are making fun of them (the people complaining baout immigrants that is)
evil solrac v3.0
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yeah I get it, but it's a very flat delivery.
Off-Kilter
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Really fucking tasteless.
TheRedSnifit
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In before people who don't understand satire accuse a bunch of pro-immigration liberals of being racist fascists.
Whoops, too late.
Whoops, too late.
I think what confuses me is that there's no depiction of the actual people who complain about the immigrates, unless I'm missing something in translation.
It's kind of like when a kid hears something from someone, and draws something based on whatever it was they heard, but when someone else sees the picture, they're confused because that picture alone doesn't provide enough context of what the kid overheard.
There are articles, opinion pieces, context to understand Charlie Hebdo
You just have the comic and no context.
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