kazuyamishima
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That's at full price, but since 2023, they started doing some temporary reductions.
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[Circana] PS5 lifetime unit sales in the US are 7% ahead of PS4; Xbox Series trails Xbox One by 18%
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nowhat
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I kinda agree with the 360 controller, in general. I have no problem adjusting to stick placement (I really have no preference one way or another), it's the face buttons and prompts that get me jumping between platforms. Well, got me, haven't had an Xbox since the 360 days. Although I guess everything is an Xbox now.
But, really. The D-pad on a 360 was fucking atrocious. I was basically unable to reliably do double taps in Tekken.
YeulEmeralda
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Moriarty1889
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Terrible sales for the Xbox Series consoles. One must wonder if this will change their plans of releasing another console next gen. Selling worse than the previous gen does not look good even with all the studios they have acquired.
S0ULZB0URNE
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How many PS5/Pro's do you think GTA 6 will sell?
gow3isben
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It isn’t gonna sell like 20 million PS5s alone as a lot of the prospective buyers already have one is my guess.
But it will help push it past PS1 likely
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James Sawyer Ford
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We still have over 4 years left and ps5 is already over 70 M sold before gta even releases
100M is a lock. 120M is achievable
Radical_3d
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James Sawyer Ford knows what financial report it was. And I know, it’s James Sawyer Ford, but he provided proof. And don’t put a ChatGPT screenshot FFS.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Going by the latest estimates for unit sales over 2024, PS5 outsold XBS ~3.5-4x worldwide. So where do you think most people went?
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Rubim
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So they will basically nuke every single digital purchase made into that ecosystem?
Unless you're telling me they will introduce an emulator of sorts for Xbox games.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It will play your Xbox games
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I can see 10-30 million PS5 family consoles if they have bundles.
DenchDeckard
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This is what I have been trying to point out but I don't think anyone wants to hear it.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Xbox downfall started this gen, people are not going to sell their xbox immediately.
They still have their library of games on xbox, do you really think they see all these news and articles on xbox sales performance and goes "oh shit i have to switch to playstation or PC asap now!"?
They probably make the decision next gen.
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kazuyamishima
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So as PS5 sells better & Xbox Series sells worse one thread is about PS5 being the worse generation for PlayStation while the other is about Xbox Bright Future?
Make it make sense lol
It was at least considered during the x1 era, that's what UWP push was all about, one binary on all platforms idea.
But do they even need to now? Practically all sw is on PC already, they just need to grant the license for their PC store.
The one thing that's missing is legacy systems and that emulation is the most interesting thing about the ecosystem anyway. It would go great lengths to use MS store more, despite it being such a mess on PC.
DenchDeckard
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So ps6 should be the size of Xbox and ps combined? I don't think any businesses or those making decisions for large businesses feel that way.
Not from what I've heard this week in meetings anyway.
Cakeboxer
Member
You mean last gen.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Xbox's downfall starts at the tail end of the 360. The fast and cascading failure of this gen is a buildup of 2 gens total - last bit of the 360, the entire Xbox One, and all of Series S/X to this point.
PlayStation will never be in the exact same position, but they have already planted the seeds to make the PS6 a harder sell than it should be with Xbox essentially off the board.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
but this time is the real one.
Microsoft no longer prioritize xbox, thats the thing here. They are basically publishers now. Their sales has collapse further.
This is the real downfall i meant.
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lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
nah of course not, i didnt say that.
They either stick with Xbox, or move to PC, or move to PS, or move to switch or whatever.
Thats why we only will see the "impact" of these migration next gen. Not now. its too early to see the changes.
Nintendo came back from the GameCube while using the same processors from the GameCube then they came back from the WiiU yet Xbox fans wanted to continue blaming Don Maverick & Kinect for Xbox failures.
Before PS4 you all was sure that the next Xbox was going to dominate while PS4 would barely survive, then when the specs of Xbox Series X & PS5 was revealed we went through it again with Xbox fans running rampant about how PS5 was doom .
At some point you will have to live in reality instead of trying to create your own fantasies.
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DenchDeckard
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Yeah, as long as developers are happy with the way things are going and this industry is healthy then everything is all good. I have been in customer meetings this week ahead of 50 series launch and confidence in the console space is not in a great place from businesses in the UK.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Of course it isn’t, PlayStation’s growth is being outweighed by Xbox’s collapse.
Switch 2’s launch and GTA VI should give console sales a big boost this year though.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
This is mistaken thinking.
Let's say the size of the PS platform is 120 million and the size of the Xbox platform is 60 million. In your mind for Sony to realize success they should hit 180 million units.
What percent of Xbox owners own a PlayStation already? Let's make up a number and say 10 million. That's 10 million that aren't simply going to buy an extra PlayStation they already own one.
Now what percentage of that 60 million might also own a PC? Let's say 15 million. Maybe these people only had an Xbox to play some games through Xbox Live with friends. That's another 15 million that Sony isn't likely to get.
Now let's also say another 10 million are fanboys and simply won't buy PlayStation under any circumstances and they'll now invest in PC, especially if Microsoft keeps their entitlements alive there and Xbox Live alive there.
That means Sony TAM gain is closer to 25 million units and that's not even including how many people just jump to Nintendo. So you're probably looking at a TAM increase of 20-35 million units with Xbox leaving the console space.
It's not nothing for sure, but the real gains for Sony probably comes from increased operating margins from not needing to market against Xbox. Fewer exclusivity deals, marketing deals. And it probably comes from Sony spending that money in other avenues such as PC storefronts and handheld gaming which will give a higher ROI than just competing with Microsoft.
What you'll see is massively higher software sales, subscriptions, and MTX/Add-on revenue.
the xbots are trash.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
You severely misunderstand me if you think I am at all an Xbox fan. Feel free to look at my post history.
SimTourist
Member
People always forget how much Xbox 360 was boosted by easy piracy and kinect, it was the console of choice in many poorer regions like south america, asia, eastern europe, russia due to only needing a modded console and easily burning your own discs. I'd say that amounted to easily half of 360's 80 million sales figure. Once you take that away, 40-50 million seems about right for legit sales for hardcore fanbase. Some of the goodwill was still left to push Xbox One to 50 mil, but that has eroded over the years as well.
GHG
Gold Member
Ok, are you going to sell your 10 xboxes and buy 10 more playstations instead?
Didn't think so.
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Killjoy-NL
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This such a dead horse, though.
The console space has been around 170M-180M ever since PS2/Xbox (between PS and Xbox).
It will be pretty much the same for this gen, with different splits.
We have the numbers to back it up. Whatever share either one loses, the other picks up (mostly):
Horseganador
Member
The incredible thing is that PS5 is ahead of PS4 in the USA with the lack of stock that there was during the first years and costing much more, taking away merits from PS5 because it is not adding the sales that Xbox is losing is the most absurd damage control I have read in a long time.
The AI is taking hardware profitability of accessories as a general profitability and knows nothing about the loss or margin of the console. They haven't really stated it.
Humdinger
Gold Member
You probably know this already, but the confusion is because people are using different meanings for the word "Xbox." Most people use "Xbox" to refer to the console hardware. Others, mostly Xbox fans, are using it to refer to any games that are published by MS, including multiplatform ones.
I'm not sure how much of this confusion is fanboy spin, how much is confusion instilled by MS themselves, and how much is Xbox players just happy about good games coming to GP, regardless of whether those games appear elsewhere.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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By the time GTAVI releases PS5 will be at around PS3 and Xbox 360 lifetime sales. That's still with 3 more years on sale and i have a feeling Sony won't cut its life short like it did for the PS4 during the pandemic.
The console also has yet to achieve a price reduction (which i believe will happen after GTAVI release).
It's doable.
All these numbers tell us is that if the PS5 never had price increases all over the world it would already be ahead of the PS4 even with covid.
Sooner
Gold Member
Xbox's library of games is fantastic.
PlayStation's library of games which consists of everything on Xbox plus PlayStation GOTY exclusives and Japanese third-party games that aren't ported to Xbox is terrible.
That's the logic I've been reading from the same people who call this SonyGAF.
PurePlatinum
Member
Worldwide I think it's slightly behind PS4 though, which is the real number we are looking for. Why limit things arbitrarily to one country?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Because this is from Circana.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Imagine thinking that getting a set of data and using that data is arbitrary...
We'll get a global update in a few weeks when Sony reports their quarterly earnings.
RetroGamingUK
Member
I think we’re less likely than after to get figures from Microsoft after that disaster of a year.
mayham2199
Member
MS never really gives solid numbers for Xbox. Sony does though.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
We'll still get general revenue.
RetroGamingUK
Member
First earnings call without the ABK bump?
Mortisfacio
Member
Microsoft as a gaming studio has a lot of legs with COD, Blizzard, iD, etc.
The direct yesterday was really solid. If Fable is any good, I'm really looking forward to that as well. Xbox the hardware? No thanks. I bought a Series X to put in the living room for the kids and just throw Game Pass on it, but now nobody uses it because everyone in my house has a PC. Sony games just come to PC. I honestly think this is the last gen I buy a console. I may have to buy a Switch 2 for my son at some point as he's obsessed with Mario and Pokemon, but I don't see a point in buying an Xbox or PlayStation going forward based on where the industry is and looks like it's heading.
The direct yesterday was really solid. If Fable is any good, I'm really looking forward to that as well. Xbox the hardware? No thanks. I bought a Series X to put in the living room for the kids and just throw Game Pass on it, but now nobody uses it because everyone in my house has a PC. Sony games just come to PC. I honestly think this is the last gen I buy a console. I may have to buy a Switch 2 for my son at some point as he's obsessed with Mario and Pokemon, but I don't see a point in buying an Xbox or PlayStation going forward based on where the industry is and looks like it's heading.