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[Edmund]

Nintendo does these exclusives because they have competition.

OK. Tell me who is Nintendo's competition?

Is it ps5? If Ps5 is competitng with the switch, that means by default, the ps5 has a competitor in the Nintendo Switch.

Narrative 1
Xbox is dying. Playstation has no competitor. Oh noes!!

Narrative 2
Nintendo Switch needs exclusives because it's competing with ps5!


So whether the ps5 having a competitor or not depends on the ongoing narrative right?


I'm still waiting for triangle strategy to release on ps5. It was exclusive to the switch for quite a long while wasn't it?

 

[Woopah]

OK. Tell me who is Nintendo's competition?

Is it ps5? If Ps5 is competitng with the switch, that means by default, the ps5 has a competitor in the Nintendo Switch.

Narrative 1
Xbox is dying. Playstation has no competitor. Oh noes!!

Narrative 2
Nintendo Switch needs exclusives because it's competing with ps5!


So whether the ps5 having a competitor or not depends on the ongoing narrative right?


I'm still waiting for triangle strategy to release on ps5. It was exclusive to the switch for quite a long while wasn't it?

The reality is a mixture of both.

Demise of Xbox means less competition for PS, and the disappearance of its most direct competitor. But it does still have competition from PC and Nintendo

Triangle Strategy was an exclusive for Switch and Nintendo was the publisher in the West. Nintendo did several deals for Team Asano games, and the general rule was that games launched first on Switch and the they could come to PC after that. Some were then allowed to go to other consoles later on.

But it might be that we don't see any more of these deals, given SE's more multiplatform approach.

 

[reinking]

A lot of people who have PS5 also have PCs. For MMOs and whatnot, Me included. I'll just play Doom on PC. PS5 Pro all else.

Yes. I too have a PC but this was a joke since there is a select group of people saying the PlayStation is doomed.

 

[MacReady13]

This should also end all the fake claims of this being PlayStation's worst generation.

In terms of 1st party output, I thin it's on track to be their worst. Yet still the console sells like crazy!

 

[onQ123]

In terms of 1st party output, I thin it's on track to be their worst. Yet still the console sells like crazy!

Would you like to name the 1st party PS1 games that was better than Astro Bot , Helldivers II , Horizon Forbidden West , Spider-Man 2 , God of War Ragnarök , Gran Turismo 7 , Returnal , Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart & so on?

 

[ByWatterson]

Playstation right now, tbh

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

In terms of 1st party output, I thin it's on track to be their worst. Yet still the console sells like crazy!

Right and many of the solid titles are also on PS4 so can't be listed when comparing PS4 to PS5.

 

[onQ123]

Right and many of the solid titles are also on PS4 so can't be listed when comparing PS4 to PS5.

You again? Lol

These games where made in the PS5 era & came to the PS4 the same day , trying to remove them from the list of PS5 games is mental illness.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

You again? Lol

These games where made in the PS5 era & came to the PS4 the same day , trying to remove them from the list of PS5 games is mental illness.

It doesn't matter they are also PS4 so count as PS4 just as much as PS5.
Name calling now?

 

[onQ123]

It doesn't matter they are also PS4 so count as PS4 just as much as PS5.
Name calling now?

As I said it's mental illness trying to remove a game from PS5 that was released in the PS5 era because it was also released on PS4.

How does that affect someone playing the game on PS5?

 

[Unknown?]

In terms of 1st party output, I thin it's on track to be their worst. Yet still the console sells like crazy!

PS1 was FAR worse.

 

[MacReady13]

PS1 was FAR worse.

True but they were a new console coming hot into a market as the new boy in town. For 3rd party exclusives they were unmatched.

 

[MacReady13]

Would you like to name the 1st party PS1 games that was better than Astro Bot , Helldivers II , Horizon Forbidden West , Spider-Man 2 , God of War Ragnarök , Gran Turismo 7 , Returnal , Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart & so on?

Nah you’re spot on. Point taken. I didn’t think too hard on that one but in saying that, I think in terms of exclusives for their consoles, PS1 eclipses PS5. And to be fair, they were a new console so didn’t really have the companies available as 1st party so early on.

 

[onQ123]

Nah you’re spot on. Point taken. I didn’t think too hard on that one but in saying that, I think in terms of exclusives for their consoles, PS1 eclipses PS5. And to be fair, they were a new console so didn’t really have the companies available as 1st party so early on.

The great thing about PlayStation was that it gave 3rd parties a chance to shine on a console & not get overshadowed by Nintendo & Sega.

Even when 1st party PlayStation games became a big thing 3rd party games still shined on PlayStation.

PlayStation is doing just fine it's just a bunch of sour jaded fanboys trying to create new rules for success.

 

[Melchiah]

Right and many of the solid titles are also on PS4 so can't be listed when comparing PS4 to PS5.

Does that also apply to Breath of the Wild, that was released on both Wii U and Switch, and any games that may come out on both Switch systems, or does that only apply to Sony's cross-gen games because reasons?

 

[Pandawan]

exBOX

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Does that also apply to Breath of the Wild, that was released on both Wii U and Switch, and any games that may come out on both Switch systems, or does that only apply to Sony's cross-gen games because reasons?

What a brilliant comment. No one ever criticizes Breath of the Wild for being crossgen, because no one actually cares. It's obviously better on Switch and that's the version people care about, but Sony is held to a completely different standard because of reasons, but we know what those reasons are...

I first played TLOU P2 on PS4 Pro and I wish I had waited and played it on PS5, though at the time, it felt like a PS5 game as it was so far ahead of anything else on the PS4.

I played most of if not all of Ghost of Tsushima on PS5. The PS4 version released 115 days before PS5 launched. The PS5 directors cut didn't come at launch, but the PS4 version still ran at 60 fps on day 1.

The PS5 never had a slow year for me, because there are always games that I haven't played yet, which again is why I'm fine with remakes.

Not that I would, but I could spend the entire generation playing enhanced PS4 games that I never got around to on PS5 and I would be just fine.

Hogwarts Legacy, Elden Ring, and Cyberpunk 2077 are three of the biggest games of the generation and they're all crossgen, but no one actually stops to ask how well these games play on previous generations. It's just a way to slight the ps5.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

True but they were a new console coming hot into a market as the new boy in town. For 3rd party exclusives they were unmatched.

PS2 was far worse too...

3rd party exclusives were an element of the times in that porting games was much more difficult across disparate architecture. The Saturn's lack of commercial success and the N64 not having an optical disc drive.

No one has to this day has explained to me how a game being exclusive makes it more fun to play.

Symphony of the Night was released on the Saturn and that had no impact on me enjoying it on PS1.

 

[Klayzer]

PlayStation is doing just fine it's just a bunch of sour jaded fanboys trying to create new rules for success.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

The great thing about PlayStation was that it gave 3rd parties a chance to shine on a console & not get overshadowed by Nintendo & Sega.

Even when 1st party PlayStation games became a big thing 3rd party games still shined on PlayStation.

PlayStation is doing just fine it's just a bunch of sour jaded fanboys trying to create new rules for success.

Naturally, there would be A LOT of people upset with Sony "winning" the console wars. They caught a lot of bodies over the last 30 years.

 

[Klayzer]

What a brilliant comment. No one ever criticizes Breath of the Wild for being crossgen, because no one actually cares. It's obviously better on Switch and that's the version people care about, but Sony is held to a completely different standard because of reasons, but we know what those reasons are...

I first played TLOU P2 on PS4 Pro and I wish I had waited on played it on PS5, though at the time, it felt like a PS5 game as it was so far ahead of anything else on the PS4.

I played most of if not all of Ghost of Tsushima on PS5. The PS4 version released 115 days before PS5 launched. The PS5 directors cut didn't come at launch, but the PS4 version still ran at 60 fps on day 1.

The PS5 never had a slow year for me, because there are always games that I haven't played yet, which again is why I'm fine with remakes.

Not that I would, but I could spend the entire generation playing enhanced PS4 games that I never got around to on PS5 and I would be just fine.

Hogwarts Legacy, Elden Ring, and Cyberpunk 2077 are three of the biggest games of the generation and they're all crossgen, but no one actually stops to ask how well these games play on previous generations. It's just a way to slight the game.

Quoted for truth.

 

[jm89]

PlayStation is doing just fine it's just a bunch of sour jaded fanboys trying to create new rules for success.

 

[Halfkut]

No one criticizes BOTW because Zelda was announced for Wii U originally and the switch’s selling point was being a hybrid so no one expected anything more than what they got shown. If anything most people were impressed that a Wii U game was portable


PlayStation on the other hand didn’t announce GOW was cross gen until after announcing it as a ps5 game and sold there console as the next generation of gaming. So can you blame people for not being impressed when the game looks like a ps4 game?


Also Sony fans spam that same list of games over and over trying to prove how amazing this generation is so of course people are going to keep criticizing them, you guys never stop bringing them up!


But no maybe it’s a conspiracy against Sony

 

[RetroGamingUK]

No one criticizes BOTW because Zelda was announced for Wii U originally and the switch’s selling point was being a hybrid so no one expected anything more than what they got shown. If anything most people were impressed that a Wii U game was portable


PlayStation on the other hand didn’t announce GOW was cross gen until after announcing it as a ps5 game and sold there console as the next generation of gaming. So can you blame people for not being impressed when the game looks like a ps4 game?


Also Sony fans spam that same list of games over and over trying to prove how amazing this generation is so of course people are going to keep criticizing them, you guys never stop bringing them up!


But no maybe it’s a conspiracy against Sony

Switch wasn’t a full generation leap over Wii U though, so it’s not like the game was hamstrung by Wii U being the target system.

 

[Fafalada]

Switch wasn’t a full generation leap over Wii U though, so it’s not like the game was hamstrung by Wii U being the target system.

That's just moving goal-posts excuse again though.
But sure - let's take a much older example then - when FFX launched for PS2 - still noone cared that it was an upscaled PS1 engine held together by duck-tape. It was most definitely held back by it too (we even had direct comparison to Square's early PS2 games that looked substantially better in every aspect, despite being made by B-teams that had no idea what they were doing with the hw yet), and hell - in the end it wasn't even a 'permanent' PS2 exclusive (which was called out in these threads as 'the only thing that matters' too).

Or how about the other extreme - TR exclusive to X1 - except not because it was cross-gen, but noone cared about that either and just focused on the negative aspect of platform exclusivity. Somehow being on older console (that WAS a proper generational leap behind) didn't negate exclusivity for that example or 'held the game back'.

Basically - my point is (I said it in another thread) - people care about perception of brand to console attachment, not exclusivity pedantics.
BOTW was associated to the Switch same way FFX, GTA3, MGS2 were (and still are) seen as PS2 IPs. And the list of such examples is long. Permanent exclusives in particular are generally pretty niche and rare outside of Nintendo consoles - and even there the number is getting diminishingly smaller.

 

[Halfkut]

That's just moving goal-posts excuse again though.
But sure - let's take a much older example then - when FFX launched for PS2 - still noone cared that it was an upscaled PS1 engine held together by duck-tape. It was most definitely held back by it too (we even had direct comparison to Square's early PS2 games that looked substantially better in every aspect, despite being made by B-teams that had no idea what they were doing with the hw yet), and hell - in the end it wasn't even a 'permanent' PS2 exclusive (which was called out in these threads as 'the only thing that matters' too).

No one cared that it’s a ps1 engine held together because it still looked better than any ps1 game.

it’s not like the game released on both systems at the same time with barely any noticeable difference

How is it even comparable?

 

[Jagernaut]

No one cared that it’s a ps1 engine held together because it still looked better than any ps1 game.

it’s not like the game released on both systems at the same time with barely any noticeable difference

How is it even comparable?

It's a dumb comparison. Final Fantasy X looked good back in 2001.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No one cared that it’s a ps1 engine held together because it still looked better than any ps1 game.

it’s not like the game released on both systems at the same time with barely any noticeable difference

How is it even comparable?

God of War Ragnarok runs at 1080p30 on PS4

It runs at dynamic 4K60 (minimum 1440p) on PS5

The idea that you think they look the same or barely have any noticeable difference outs you as a console warrior and not a very good one at that.

 

[Halfkut]

God of War Ragnarok runs at 1080p30 on PS4

It runs at dynamic 4K60 (minimum 1440p) on PS5

The idea that you think they look the same or barely have any noticeable difference outs you as a console warrior and not a very good one at that.

That’s fine if your so easily pleased but personally I’d like to see more out of a generational upgrade

 

[MacReady13]

The great thing about PlayStation was that it gave 3rd parties a chance to shine on a console & not get overshadowed by Nintendo & Sega.

Even when 1st party PlayStation games became a big thing 3rd party games still shined on PlayStation.

PlayStation is doing just fine it's just a bunch of sour jaded fanboys trying to create new rules for success.

It’s what I love- seeing Phil Spencer claim that by having “his” games on more devices means that games will be better! How in the fuck do you come to that conclusion? More games on more devices means better games?! Please tell that to Nintendo who have consistently made the greatest games of all time and only releasing them on Nintendo consoles exclusively!

All I wish for is that Sony don’t completely abandon their Japanese roots. They’ve lost those unique games that made them special pre ps4 days. It’s not all about last of us, uncharted, god of war, horizon etc…

 

[Killjoy-NL]

In terms of 1st party output, I thin it's on track to be their worst. Yet still the console sells like crazy!

That's because 1st party output is an incentive to buy Playstation over other systems, not the incentive.

Most people play 3rd party on PS and Xbox.
1st party output is just an added option you may or may not like.
And now PS has the added benefit of playing Xbox games as well.

 

[Woopah]

In terms of 1st party output, I thin it's on track to be their worst. Yet still the console sells like crazy!

Because in terms of 1st party output it's on track to be one of their most popular line ups.

 

[Three]

That’s fine if your so easily pleased but personally I’d like to see more out of a generational upgrade

"So easily pleased" with more than double the res and double the framerate, 4k60 with amazing graphics. Meanwhile Nintendo, we can do black tyres now!



And everybody is buying it.

 

[Halfkut]

"So easily pleased" with more than double the res and double the framerate, 4k60 with amazing graphics. Meanwhile Nintendo, we can do black tyres now!



And everybody is buying it.

Really? Is this how you guys handle every discussion? Just create fake scenarios in your head to make yourselves feel better?

Not everyone who doesn’t suck the dick of your favorite company is a fanboy of (insert rival company).

The sooner you and your little group of mates realize this the sooner we might get some semi intelligent discussion going (doubt it)

I don’t even class Mario kart 8 as a switch title and yes the upgrade is even less impressive than GOW so now what?

Are you guys actually capable of presenting any sort of counter argument or is it always going deflection and delusion?

 

[SHA]

Phil Spencer wants you to buy Playstation, fascinating. The more you buy, the more you save.

 

[Three]

Really? Is this how you guys handle every discussion? Just create fake scenarios in your head to make yourselves feel better?

Not everyone who doesn’t suck the dick of your favorite company is a fanboy of (insert rival company).

The sooner you and your little group of mates realize this the sooner we might get some semi intelligent discussion going (doubt it)

I don’t even class Mario kart 8 as a switch title and yes the upgrade is even less impressive than GOW so now what?

Are you guys actually capable of presenting any sort of counter argument or is it always going deflection and delusion?

Except I didn't mention you specifically or fanboys of any company. In case you missed it I'm saying that there are millions of people more easily pleased with far less and you don't hear anything about it. This is F Fafalada 's point with his examples of crossgen games of the past like Breath of the wild, Rise of the Tomb raider, Forza Horizon 2, Titanfall, MK8, etc. Nobody gave a shit and they still don't. In fact in some of those they were praising how amazing it was that it ran on previous gen hardware. People only seem to give a shit for these specific titles now it seems. Nobody was giving Driveclub brownie points for being next gen only while lambasting FH, if anything they were saying Driveclub isn't "next gen gameplay" while praising the likes of FH2, a crossgen game.

 

[xanaum]

Sony's luck, or rather their well-established hardware security and PS Plus subscriptions, are what save the day given all that money that went down the drain with the cancellations. They've got a very successful product, but if this happens again in the next generation, they won't survive. I still don't get why they haven't urgently changed the software leadership (games), especially that damn Hermen Hulst.

 

[Halfkut]

Except I didn't mention you specifically or fanboys of any company. In case you missed it I'm saying that there are millions of people more easily pleased with far less and you don't hear anything about it. This is F Fafalada 's point with his examples of crossgen games of the past like Breath of the wild, Rise of the Tomb raider, Forza Horizon 2, Titanfall, MK8, etc. Nobody gave a shit and they still don't. In fact in some of those they were praising how amazing it was that it ran on previous gen hardware. People only seem to give a shit for these specific titles now it seems. Nobody was giving Driveclub brownie points for being next gen only while lambasting FH, if anything they were saying Driveclub isn't "next gen gameplay" while praising the likes of FH2, a crossgen game.

So someone posts a stupid claim trying to make it seem like poor Sony is being unfairly targeted

I reply providing some context as to why something like Zelda would possibly receive less scrutiny than something like GOW and I get called a console warrior by one person and your response was a completely irrelevant video and to post a bunch of text that still doesn’t factor in any context?

Well done

 

[Kokoloko85]

PS5 beating PS4 is an impressive feat.

Xbox console sales collapsed in 2024 and in 2025 they likely won’t even sell 3 million globally.

Prediction: Xbox Series unit sales will only reach 32 million, behind that of the N64.

Yes considering no official price drop, covid and shortages

 

[nial]

This is the best console Sony have ever designed. That's sure. But the first party games are the worst ever bar a few exceptions.

Both things can be true. People are just playing more multiplat, free games and GAAS games. And the cost of a decent PC also skyrocked those last few years. I know families that have a PS5 to play... Fornite on their couch. Convenient, easy and not expensive (particularly in US).

It's extremely funny to see former PlayStation fans parrot the exact same narratives people used to mock the platform in the PS4 era and prior.

 

[Zacfoldor]

True but they were a new console coming hot into a market as the new boy in town. For 3rd party exclusives they were unmatched.

Yes but 3rd parties weren't as good as they are this+last gen. 3rd party games have carried gaming lately. This gen and last gen 3rd party is elite so there isn't so much pressure. Plus games being console exclusive like Wukong, SH2, BG3, Rebirth, even for a short time, make the console really the only option for any knowledgeable gamer. It is selling so well because there is no other real option for a real gamer besides PS5 and PC and because PS5 is more convenient and much cheaper, it is mainly in direct competition with only the PC. Xbox is becoming even more irrelevant than ever and Nintendo is doing their own thing with their own audience and appeal, so what else would they buy?

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Sony's luck, or rather their well-established hardware security and PS Plus subscriptions, are what save the day given all that money that went down the drain with the cancellations. They've got a very successful product, but if this happens again in the next generation, they won't survive. I still don't get why they haven't urgently changed the software leadership (games), especially that damn Hermen Hulst.

Sony's luck should be studied

PS1 - They were lucky they chose CDs instead of much more expensive cartridges
PS2 - They were just cheap DVD readers. That's why people bought those
PS3 - They were cheap Blu-Ray readers. That's why people bought those
PS4 - They were lucky Microsoft fucked up
PS5 - They are lucky for having such a strong established hardware brand due to all the previous luck and their subscription plans.

Seriously...to more 30 years of luck!!

 

[nial]

Sony who once had the greatest library of all time now is known as a Fortnite and GTA Online machine. Make sure to buy some v-bucks to celebrate the console sales figures though.

As opposed to being previously known as a GTA, FIFA and COD machine.

It's extremely funny to see former PlayStation fans parrot the exact same narratives people used to mock the platform in the PS4 era and prior.

^

 

[nial]

Sony's ""luck"" was another narrative used to mock PlayStation now parroted by these former fans.

 

[xanaum]

Sony's luck should be studied

PS1 - They were lucky they chose CDs instead of much more expensive cartridges
PS2 - They were just cheap DVD readers. That's why people bought those
PS3 - They were cheap Blu-Ray readers. That's why people bought those
PS4 - They were lucky Microsoft fucked up
PS5 - They are lucky for having such a strong established hardware brand due to all the previous luck and their subscription plans.

Seriously...to more 30 years of luck!!

I already corrected the “luck” part in my comment. The PlayStation brand is like a tank with adamantium armor, but no one’s invulnerable to the damage from consecutive bad decisions.

 

[ByWatterson]

Sony's luck, or rather their well-established hardware security and PS Plus subscriptions, are what save the day given all that money that went down the drain with the cancellations. They've got a very successful product, but if this happens again in the next generation, they won't survive. I still don't get why they haven't urgently changed the software leadership (games), especially that damn Hermen Hulst.

If what happens again? Five consecutive GOTY nominees and universal third-party support?

 

[DrFigs]

Down 18% and Sony is looking at their PC centric strategy and thinking that it’s a good idea.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Xbox hardware division better change course fast

Is it the hardwares fault though? Series units are prettt decent, particularly the x.

Isn’t it more of a software issue?

 

[ANoa]

As opposed to being previously known as a GTA, FIFA and COD machine.

^

Sony is spending more on gaas this gen than SP because they know their audience has changed and they're adapting. SP was the focus during PS4 even if some of us feel they got a little too focused on a particular genre of SP.

 

[onnextflix5]

good hardware and exclusive games is what sells consoles, seems like ms did not get the memo