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[ethomaz]

I thought you were on about DMC sorry. This is the DMC thread lol.

I was not following that thread (only ocasional posts) before but I now I catch up... I saw screen tearing in your video in a tall white object in the very back right of the environment... it was in the time frame you posted (I had to go frame by frame).

There is a guy that got a fault HDMI cable that gradated the PS5 image... weird.

 

[Dogman]

We don't even know how much better it is because John wouldn't list the average framerates, something every single tech channel on youtube (gamers nexus, jay2cents, hardware unboxed, wccftech, etc) does when testing and comparing hardware. Almost seems intentional. None one gives a shit about seeing some graph running in realtime going up and down, just the final results of the benchmark which he didn't provide for its standard 4K mode or any other mode.

They provided the average % difference in the normal mode (8%) and stated that both RT modes showed even less difference, with one essentially being "like-for-like". How would knowing the actual framerate help.

 

[Stuart360]

I was not following that thread (only ocasional posts) before but I now I catch up... I saw screen tearing in your video in a tall white object in the very back right of the environment... it was in the time frame you posted (I had to go frame by frame).

There is a guy that got a fault HDMI cable that gradated the PS5 image... weird.

The video i posted has almost constant screen tearing for 6 seconds. Come on Ethomaz, its not hard to see, even Bo noticed it instantly.

 

[scalman]

This is the second time i have seen this said today. So is this the fall back plan?. I havent been in the 'Next Gen' thread today, but is this the fall back plan incase most multiplatofrm games are better on XSX?, the PS5 is $100 cheaper?.
No, the PS5 is $500, just like XSX.

Most games? Which games better on xsx if itd only couple of them yet been tested. Look at valhalla tests. Depends from devs not just console here. And who cares how runs some old game . Look we aded some rt in it wow game changer... plz

 

[mrmeh]

Somebody said on AC comparison that he has both version and the PS5 has tearing too... so is he lying?
I mean all AC PS5 videos (very few indeed) I saw until now has no tearing.

PS. I just saw screen-tearing in a suppose PS5 video... in one second and I had to look for minutes to find it but it was there.

I watched a video of the xbox sx version and it was shown locked to 60fps... would seem to indicate there may be a bug (which I would imagine to be in their engine and thus reasonable to think its in both console versions)... obviously take eveything with a pinch of salt until its officially released

 

[ethomaz]

The video i posted has almost constant screen tearing for 6 seconds. Come on Ethomaz, its not hard to see, even Bo noticed it instantly.

That is how I could spot it in your timeframe... somethings I though was tearing and it was not.
The white object in the back right was tearing in the very top of it.

 

[mrmeh]

Its useful to judge on a game by game basis how things are running but its not much use comparing consoles just yet.. so many fanbois twisting things to fit their ideologically driven narrative's.

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

XSX 3 - 2 PS5

And looks like XSX is not even in its final form!



SSD secret sauce doesn't seem to provide as big as an advantage as conveyed previously but we will see in comparisons to come.

Either way both looking great so its a win for gamers on both.

Lol figured a username like this would give that score, as far as I’m aware there’s only been one test of DMC so far, where did the other scores come from?

 

[Neo_game]

This is the second time i have seen this said today. So is this the fall back plan?. I havent been in the 'Next Gen' thread today, but is this the fall back plan incase most multiplatofrm games are better on XSX?, the PS5 is $100 cheaper?.
No, the PS5 is $500, just like XSX.

Many Xbox guys are do "not bad for a " 300$ console in other threads lol and they will also do it for SX as well when the Xbox exclusives games look and run better on PC. Here as well they are coming with conspiracy theory regarding Capcom. This is an old game which already ran good on last gen consoles and PC so I am not sure even Dev kits behind can be an excuse. It is not a great remaster on either platform.

 

[RoadHazard]

As expected, a slight advantage for XSX with unlocked framerate (except in 120fps mode, which is weird). But a smaller advantage than the raw specs would indicate. Instead of 17-18% we're seeing less than 10% most of the time. In games with capped framerate (which will be most of them) multiplat differences will be more or less non-existent.

 

[Physiognomonics]

As expected, a slight advantage for XSX with unlocked framerate (except in 120fps mode, which is weird). But a smaller advantage than the raw specs would indicate. Instead of 17-18% we're seeing less than 10% most of the time. In games with capped framerate (which will be most of them) multiplat differences will be more or less non-existent.

From 3% to 8% depending of the 60hz mode. The biggest difference is seen in the native 4K 60fps, and the smallest difference when there is RT (yes it's also weird). Obviously PS5 performs much better in the fourth (120hz) mode (because of unified L3 CPU cache?). Watchdogs comparison (featuring RT) will be interesting.

 

[RoadHazard]

From 3% to 8% depending of the 60hz mode. The biggest difference is seen in the native 4K 60fps, and the smallest difference when there is RT (yes it's also weird). Obviously PS5 performs much better in the fourth (120hz) mode (because of unified L3 CPU cache?). Watchdogs comparison (featuring RT) will be interesting.

Yeah, better CPU performance could definitely explain why PS5 pulls ahead in that mode. Could be that XSX is CPU-limited at such high refresh rates (and the GPU actually could run it faster otherwise).

 

[ethomaz]

As expected, a slight advantage for XSX with unlocked framerate (except in 120fps mode, which is weird). But a smaller advantage than the raw specs would indicate. Instead of 17-18% we're seeing less than 10% most of the time. In games with capped framerate (which will be most of them) multiplat differences will be more or less non-existent.

Only the the 120Hz mode showed a 10% or more discrepancy between the two.

3-8% in Normal Mode.
>10% in Performance Mode (the biggest discrepancy but they didn't give a %)
2-3% in RT Normal Mode
Tie in RT Performance Mode

 

[Radical_3d]

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PS5 isn't 'punching above his weight' it performs as it should. That's Richard who can't see past CU count. He also stated that XSX has 'much more' memory bandwidth which is simply wrong. His comparison is at caveman level.

In ten of the sixteen gigs at least that is true.

 

[vkbest]

In ten of the sixteen gigs at least that is true.

The 10 and 6 GB share bandwitch

 

[Radical_3d]

The 10 and 6 GB share bandwitch

Really? I’ve missed that part. I guess that it has more bandwidth as long as the SO isn’t using the RAM that much.

 

[ethomaz]

The 10 and 6 GB share bandwitch

They share but if you are only accessing the 10GB then it will reach the theoric 560GB/s.

 

[vkbest]

They share but if you are only accessing the 10GB then it will reach the theoric 560GB/s.

Part of those 6GB will be used for SO, no way the console will have 6 GB unused

 

[ethomaz]

Part of those 6GB will be used for SO, no way the console will have 6 GB unused

It is unrelated to being used or unused... it is the access... when the system uses the bus.

If only the GPU is using that bus to access these 10GB part it will reach 560GB/s.

Access to memory happens in a sequencial way so you can make you system do a GPU, CPU, GPU, CPU way of priority to access the memory so your GPU will be always using the max bandwidth of the bus.

The thing go down when the GPU tried to access the other part of the memory or the CPU/GPU have to access the memory in simultaneous.

MS is probably avoiding that limiting the memory use of the GPU to 10GB.

 

[nowhat]

Part of those 6GB will be used for SO, no way the console will have 6 GB unused

Spouses are reserving our RAM?

 

[Lysandros]

In ten of the sixteen gigs at least that is true.

Since when 25% is 'much more'?.. By the way the 6 GB part at 336 GB/s share the same adress space, the real world bandwidth difference is certainly not 25%. Bandwidth per tefraflop situation is similar between the sytems and cache bandwidth is higher on PS5.

 

[XGon'GiveItToYa]

Lol figured a username like this would give that score, as far as I’m aware there’s only been one test of DMC so far, where did the other scores come from?

When I saw someone say Xbox 1 - 0 PlayStation I knew someone would misinterpret my scoring but I couldn't be bothered to edit. You judge wrong my friend, it's based on the video in question. 4 modes to chose from to which Xbox performs better in 3 of them and then PlayStation loads faster hence the 3 - 2.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

It's just a poorly optimized game.

No offence, but
Why people talking about optimization like they know why exactly game preform like this? How do you know if it's optimization problem?
Do you really expect every title to be optimized? For example if DMC from CAPCOM and it's not optimized do you expect next their title will be optimized?
I mean - this talk about "mysterious" optimization is guessing and nothing you can change. What you can do is do a comparison as it is.,

There are 3 next-gen SKUs + PC and 4 prev-gen SKUs. Expect "unoptimized" multiplatforms for quite some time.

 

[Croatoan]

I thought PS5 was supposed to get blown away in performance. The biggest difference they saw in normal mode was 8% in favor of XSX.

That 15% performance gap on paper seems more like 8% in actuality and PS5 outperforms significantly in high framerate mode in gameplay they suspect due to low level API which I was told wouldn't matter. Interesting.



Mark Cerny.

Xbox SEX is better on paper but it was never going to "Blow away" the PS5. The only thing blowing away either are $2000 PCs.

 

[Enjay]

Lazy japanese dev. There are even some japanese games running better on PS4 Pro compared to Xbox One X. Lol.
They really don’t care

Pretty much this. I've been looking at their output lately as a concession.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Wow, imagine the high framerates mode and other modes after the VRR update!

You guys love using the word "imagine" to an annoying degree of unrealism. You said it about the CPU upgrade (from Jaguar to Ryzen), you said it about the GPU from PS4->PS5, you said it about 1st exclusive game to come out to what it will look like 7yrs from now. All of these "imagine" clauses have ended in nothing even close to your exponential boosts in performance or visual quality.

In short, cool it on the "imagine if" crap. It's unbecoming and wishful thinking at best.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You guys love using the word "imagine" to an annoying degree of unrealism. You said it about the CPU upgrade (from Jaguar to Ryzen), you said it about the GPU from PS4->PS5, you said it about 1st exclusive game to come out to what it will look like 7yrs from now. All of these "imagine" clauses have ended in nothing even close to your exponential boosts in performance or visual quality.

In short, cool it on the "imagine if" crap. It's unbecoming and wishful thinking at best.

 

[anothertech]

On a more serious note, will be interesting to see where the bottlenecks really occur and if it will be consistent through the gen

 

[Md Ray]

You guys love using the word "imagine" to an annoying degree of unrealism. You said it about the CPU upgrade (from Jaguar to Ryzen), you said it about the GPU from PS4->PS5, you said it about 1st exclusive game to come out to what it will look like 7yrs from now. All of these "imagine" clauses have ended in nothing even close to your exponential boosts in performance or visual quality.

In short, cool it on the "imagine if" crap. It's unbecoming and wishful thinking at best.

 

[ethomaz]

You guys love using the word "imagine" to an annoying degree of unrealism. You said it about the CPU upgrade (from Jaguar to Ryzen), you said it about the GPU from PS4->PS5, you said it about 1st exclusive game to come out to what it will look like 7yrs from now. All of these "imagine" clauses have ended in nothing even close to your exponential boosts in performance or visual quality.

In short, cool it on the "imagine if" crap. It's unbecoming and wishful thinking at best.

You do really hate consoles lol

It is a reality to some already (not me... just next week).

 

[Piku_Ringo]

You guys love using the word "imagine" to an annoying degree of unrealism. You said it about the CPU upgrade (from Jaguar to Ryzen), you said it about the GPU from PS4->PS5, you said it about 1st exclusive game to come out to what it will look like 7yrs from now. All of these "imagine" clauses have ended in nothing even close to your exponential boosts in performance or visual quality.

In short, cool it on the "imagine if" crap. It's unbecoming and wishful thinking at best.

Just save that fire for the Wrestlemania main event, brother. You can settle this blood feud there once and for all.

 

[Md Ray]

You do really hate Sony consoles lol

It is a reality to some already (not me... just next week).

Fixed.

 

[ethomaz]

Fixed.

I thought he was more like MASTER RACE superiority.
If that was not the case then he may cry a lot in each new Sony first-party release.

 

[Dodkrake]

No offence, but
Why people talking about optimization like they know why exactly game preform like this? How do you know if it's optimization problem?
Do you really expect every title to be optimized? For example if DMC from CAPCOM and it's not optimized do you expect next their title will be optimized?
I mean - this talk about "mysterious" optimization is guessing and nothing you can change. What you can do is do a comparison as it is.,

There are 3 next-gen SKUs + PC and 4 prev-gen SKUs. Expect "unoptimized" multiplatforms for quite some time.

I work with software. the game is poorly optimized

 

[anzhar]

i think its obvious what the video shows and i dont know why DF dont say it out loud

clearly from ps4 /xo sales and install base, the 3rd party devs are focusing on ps5 as primary (voluntary or $$$? who knows) then xsx gets the sub optimal "port"

its the reverse of x360 and ps3 era

 

[skneogaf]

Just watched this again, the xbox series x beats the ps5 at 4k 60 so it's strange that assassin's creed has some issues on xbox series x.

 

[Md Ray]

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Good News for PS5 owners. Now you can cap to 60hz for those with 120Hz screens that forced 120hz in all modes.