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[Tajaz2426]

JD sounds like he was reading this thread before going on the podcast tbh. Talking about apologies not being enough and self-flagellating!

I caught some of it on immigration. I’m going to have to watch it later. Fun fact, I was leaving Iraq in 05 when he got there. I left a few months after the elections we were providing security for in Baghdad and Ramadi. Stationed out of the same area in the Al Anbar province and used the Al Assad airbase as a staging area.

However, I believe he was on Southside on the other side of the canyon on the base as we moved out of main side staging.

Here is a pic from May of that year in the Al Anbar province when the Mummy movie showed up.

I’m the ugly gent on the left.

 

[Zacfoldor]

The idea behind wokism is really that we are evolving as a society and actually we can only really change how we will behave our whole lives when we are young and impressionable.

So people who think this way think they need to send out accepting and loving messages along with some preaching in everything. That way, when the young minds see it they will grow up to be better than I am. Better than we are.

However, for those who are already baked in(old), like me, that preaching is annoying.

I swear I know the whole woke book by now. I am so tired of hearing it explained as if to children for the thousandth time.

Do people who are woke actually like hearing it over and over again from different characters, or do they just stand it like I do, for the betterment of the future? The whole message has become so polarized in our primordial need to forms tribes I wonder if we can even still tell? I just wish that everyone could hear the message(and decide how to apply it for themselves) and so we could stop trying to artificially insert it. Instead do like we once did and it only be referenced when it is organic and people learn their lessons in life and not in the games. I like RPGs, not RPGs that are also educational for kids. Damn. This incessant repetition of the message is so annoying. I'm sorry we aren't changing as fast as you would like but fuck we heard you the 400th time.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

I cannot speak on Twitter as I have no social media, but according to medical journals and reports on JSTOR (website we used to write our APA papers with, that carries almost all peer reviewed studies. Journals, etc.) have stated in the thousands have had ten of thousands that have taken cancer medications that has the propensity to sterilize. We have used the same meds to chemically castrate sex offenders.

My only question is how many children do you allow to get experimented on until that is enough for you? 1 million? It is one for me that is too many. We let pseudoscience like this take peoples lives by allowing doctors lobotomies people by actually completely sever the nerves from the frontal lobe to the thalamus.

Just a few years ago we wouldn’t even let citizenship happen for some Africans performing genital mutilation to children, cutting the nerve in the clitoris.

I’m going to repeat this, there is not one medical journals, nor report that has been peer reviewed that states medications and surgeries help people with gender dysphoria. The only journals we have state implicitly that it has not help in the present and has adverse affects as the patient ages, becomes and adult, or an older teenager and realizes what has happened, that they can never breast feed, that they can never have children, that they can never go back to being normal. It actually raises depression and higher the rate of suicide and suicide ideation because as adults they will never fit into society and will never fit in with their own selves in the mirror.

I do not care what adults do, you bring children into it and I’ll speak up everyday that begins in Y. That was my Job as a father and a Marine deploying to the Middle East and around the world, and I’ll continue to do everything possible to bring to light that absolutely no children should be experimented on and that is what is happening because they have absolutely zero science behind it, other than like lobotomies in mental patients, it brings in a ton of money for pharmaceutical companies and doctors. As after surgery, or chemical compounds, you will be more than
Likely on other meds to help those adverse effects of pain, discomfort, the fake parts never truly feeling permanent.

I look forward to your retort.

Gender-affirming surgeries rarely performed on transgender youth | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

A new Harvard Chan School study found little to no utilization of gender-affirming surgeries by transgender and gender-diverse minors in the U.S.

www.hsph.harvard.edu

Item of note in this article:

The study found no gender-affirming surgeries performed on TGD youth ages 12 and younger in 2019. This was expected, the researchers said, as current international guidelines do not suggest any medical or surgical intervention for TGD individuals prior to puberty. For teens ages 15 to 17 and adults ages 18 and older, the rate of undergoing gender-affirming surgery with a TGD-related diagnosis was 2.1 per 100,000 and 5.3 per 100,000, respectively. A majority of these surgeries were chest surgeries. When considering use of gender-affirming breast reductions among cisgender males and TGD people, the study found that cisgender males accounted for the vast majority of breast reductions, with 80% of surgeries among adults performed on cisgender men and 97% of surgeries among minors performed on cisgender male teens.

“We found that gender-affirming surgeries are rarely performed for transgender minors, suggesting that U.S. surgeons are appropriately following international guidelines around assessment and care,” said co-author Elizabeth Boskey, instructor in the Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences

Lol so the people getting the most gender affirming surgeries are stright dudes getting their boobs removed. (can't lie, I would have got the surgery if I could afford it as a teen). Isn't that just ironic?

I have two more articles that come to a some what simular conclusion but I'm at work and don't have the time to vet them but
It doesn't apear there is an epidemic of kids getting their genitals removed, or having freaky experiments ran on them.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Gender-affirming surgeries rarely performed on transgender youth | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

A new Harvard Chan School study found little to no utilization of gender-affirming surgeries by transgender and gender-diverse minors in the U.S.

www.hsph.harvard.edu

Item of note in this article:



Lol so the people getting the most gender affirming surgeries are stright dudes getting their boobs removed. (can't lie, I would have got the surgery if I could afford it as a teen). Isn't that just ironic?

I have two more articles that come to a some what simular conclusion but I'm at work and don't have the time to vet them but
It doesn't apear there is an epidemic of kids getting their genitals removed, or having freaky experiments ran on them.

No but there are plenty on hormone blockers that leave them irrevocably fucked for the rest of their lives. In some cases this is even funded by the state. A couple of years back the Tavistock Centre here in the UK was shut down once their disturbing practises were brought to light.

 

[strike670]

Yeah, not many folks had lobotomies, either. Science also by crazies backed that up, because it would make money from states doing it to mental patients. How did that work out in the end?

Any child who has a surgery to remove perfectly working organs is being hurt and will suffer more as time goes on in their lives. We have studies on JSTOR European nations and Australia have also done studies and puberty blockers, surgery has provided no help. The only thing it does is cause more harm on the mental health as they age and want to be normal and have children of their own. The child has no idea mentally what they are trying to sign up for and do not realize themedications, medications for life after surgeries for the pain and they do not work like the original organ.

If a parent wants to give their kids drugs, let them
Smoke at 8, beat them, etc, you ok with it?

I am providing the relevant data updated as of 2021. I didn't share my personal view on the issue.

 

[Tajaz2426]

Replying to Rockies,

You are using information from 2019. By 2021 children who were diagnosed with GD jumped by 70 percent alone in those two years. That is a problem.

There are plenty of peer reviewed papers that are recent of this year and last year.

You are presenting no argument other than it’s ok to experiment on children with no scientific basis. The freaky experiments are giving children cancer medications, hormones, telling them it’s ok.

Go do your research, then come back with anything other than “it’s ok it isn’t that many kids”, drivel.

Laughing about children being harmed according to studies in European nations and Australia, is about a sick and twisted as it gets. They get to suffer life long harm while you laugh it off.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

It doesn't apear there is an epidemic of kids getting their genitals removed, or having freaky experiments ran on them.

It shouldn't be any, what the fuck are we even talking about here?

 

[Roxkis_ii]

You are using information from 2019. By 2021 children who were diagnosed with GD jumped by 70 percent alone in those two years. That is a problem.

There are plenty of peer reviewed papers that are recent of this year and last year.

You are presenting no argument other than it’s ok to experiment on children with no scientific basis. The freaky experiments are giving children cancer medications, hormones, telling them it’s ok.

Go do your research, then come back with anything other than “it’s ok it isn’t that many kids”, drivel.

Laughing about children being harmed according to studies in European nations and Australia, is about a sick and twisted as it gets. They get to suffer life long harm while you laugh it off.

I at least presented proof of my claim, what is your? If it's all these papers, it should be easy for you to present one no?

It shouldn't be any, what the fuck are we even talking about here?

Could you provide proof beside social media post?

 

[McCarth]

The attempt to recontextualize the concept of expressing apology, for this specific scenario -- versus all other scenarios pretty much ever in human history -- is definitely a move.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Replying to Rockies,

You are using information from 2019. By 2021 children who were diagnosed with GD jumped by 70 percent alone in those two years. That is a problem.

There are plenty of peer reviewed papers that are recent of this year and last year.

You are presenting no argument other than it’s ok to experiment on children with no scientific basis. The freaky experiments are giving children cancer medications, hormones, telling them it’s ok.

Go do your research, then come back with anything other than “it’s ok it isn’t that many kids”, drivel.

Laughing about children being harmed according to studies in European nations and Australia, is about a sick and twisted as it gets. They get to suffer life long harm while you laugh it off.

Then you have these nefarious bad actors pulling stunts like this as well. Downright criminal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/science/puberty-blockers-olson-kennedy.html

Woke doc refused to publish $10 million trans kids study that showed puberty blockers didn’t help mental health

Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy said she believes the study would be “weaponized” by critics of transgender care for kids, and that the research could one day be used in court to argue &#8220…

nypost.com

Gender extremist doctor hides data showing puberty blockers do NOTHING to help kids

God only knows how many children’s lives were altered for the worse.

nypost.com

 

[Tajaz2426]

I at least presented proof of my claim, what is your? If it's all these papers, it should be easy for you to present one no?

It isn’t that difficult to google France, Sweden, England, Australia with gender affirming care peer reviewed papers. It will pop up with a plethora of titles that state that these have found they need to curtail hormone therapy, puberty blockers, and gender reassignment surgeries.

If you want to nail down all the analytics and raw data go to JSTOR. Org and pursue the many.

Current Concerns About Gender-Affirming Therapy in Adolescents - Current Sexual Health Reports

Purpose of Review Results of long-term studies of adult transgender populations failed to demonstrate convincing improvements in mental health, and some studies suggest that there are treatment-associated harms. The purpose of this review is to clarify concerns about the rapid proliferation of...

link.springer.com

“ Fulfilling the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria (DSM) or gender incongruence (ICD) in children or adolescents today does not predict its persistence in the future. Doctors may be incorrect in their assumptions about the causes, persistence, and future trajectory of adolescent gender dysphoria. The rapidly rising numbers of gender dysphoric youth treated with hormones and surgeries and the delayed onset of regret mean that the scale of possible iatrogenic harm will not be known for several years.

The evidence base for gender-affirming interventions is sparce and of very low quality. While the evidence of benefits is highly uncertain, the harms to sexual and reproductive functions are certain, and many uncertainties about the long-term health effects exist. As a result, it is hard to ethically justify continuing to use hormones and surgeries as first-line “treatment” for gender dysphoric youth.

Systematic reviews of evidence from Europe failed to demonstrate the hoped-for meaningful improvements in youth’s mental health functioning and exposed significant risks, including demonstrated risks to bone development [33••, 34••, 35, 36].“


This will get you started. It is a short conclusion on everything that is being found in recent studies. They also go into how folks regret, want to detransisitoon and find out that they cannot once they have removed functioning organs or have been chemically castrated..

There is tons of evidence that has actual raw data.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Could you provide proof beside social media post?

Proof of what? That it's happening to children, or children who have had it done?

If You're trying to advocate that it doesn't happen to children, you can fuck off.

 

[Draugoth]

Asmongold got banned

 

[lifa-cobex]

Asmongold got banned

That's pretty funny tbh.

 

[Sgt. Pinback]

Asmongold got banned

 

[TheInfamousKira]

We've had it all, brothers.

Slap fighting.
Taylor Swift ass pics
A meme thr-ohgodihateeveryone
Asmonbanned
Heated gender ideology debates
Manabyte getting banned over breast milk.
A Barve, and how to pull one.
Review controversies.
Tyrannical Reddit mods
Seinfeld dinner with the NB scene.

Truly, my cup runneth over.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

That's pretty funny tbh.

Lmaooo that's like some crazy Era level shit. But he should take that as a blessing to be banned by those people.

 

[ReBurn]

We've had it all, brothers.

Slap fighting.
Taylor Swift ass pics
A meme thr-ohgodihateeveryone
Asmonbanned
Heated gender ideology debates
Manabyte getting banned over breast milk.
A Barve, and how to pull one.
Review controversies.
Tyrannical Reddit mods
Seinfeld dinner with the NB scene.

Truly, my cup runneth over.

 

[CGNoire]

brah, I have someone living with me that works at a hospital where this is happening all the time. The pills sterilize minors. It's not all about the surgery to begin with.

Not to mention hes just handwaiving 279 children being mutilated by adults they trust.

 

[Trippy]

This sequence of dialogue is actually hideous. A character gets “misgendered” and the next 2 minutes is the game essentially telling off the audience. It’s insane.

Timestamped

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Paul Tassi would never

 

[Dr.Morris79]

This sequence of dialogue is actually hideous. A character gets “misgendered” and the next 2 minutes is the game essentially telling off the audience. It’s insane.

Timestamped

Seen this about twenty times..

I still don't get how it's a game?

Even if I had never been in the know with all the 'modern' nonsense, even if this game was bought blind and I had no clue whatsoever, I would still think 'What the fuck is this?' If this came up as a scene in a computer game

It's crazy stuff indeed.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

It's below 60K now. We are doing this, guys. We'll hang the dragon's head beside the GAF logo.

 

[BouncyFrag]

*Sten enters the chat*

Bonus Sten being the GOAT:

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

BREAKING NEWS our favorite incel streamer (and nazi) has come out as trans

so, it's not only the side quest?.... this game is truly breaking boundaries

 

[TheInfamousKira]

BREAKING NEWS our favorite incel streamer (and nazi) has come out as trans

so, it's not only the side quest?.... this game is truly breaking boundaries

Every time I think this has peaked, I am wrong.

 

[AGRacing]

What the hell happened to this series!?

“Art thou trans , my liege?”

“Thou hast misgendered my lord and now oweth they/them 10 push ups.”

 

[Bernardougf]

BREAKING NEWS our favorite incel streamer (and nazi) has come out as trans

so, it's not only the side quest?.... this game is truly breaking boundaries

Who said you can't do gender studies and play a fantasy game at the same time .... gaming is culture my people ... so keep up.

I just hope the DLC can focus on other things like Feminism and Racial problems.

 

[DaGreatBeRich]

pronounciation: non-buy-nary

 

[jason10mm]

Clearly, I think, if this brouhaha shows dev ANYTHING, its that this type of content really should be gated by a little questionnaire or pre-game selector to allow it to be totally optional. Just a little "do you want boy-boy, girl-girl, boy to girl, or girl to boy action in your game?" Seems like the most obvious way to have a game most of us would appreciate but also allow for other folks to enjoy the game their way as well.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

he always look kinda hot...oh shit, sorry

she, she always look kinda hot

 

[xenosys]

Some of this dialogue is so fucking weird.

There are ways of subtly embedding this sort of material into the fabric of the story without it seeming like the writing team has been hijacked by rabid gender idealogues. It just feels ridiculously out of place in a medieval fantasy setting, literally taking you of the game.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Clearly, I think, if this brouhaha shows dev ANYTHING, its that this type of content really should be gated by a little questionnaire or pre-game selector to allow it to be totally optional. Just a little "do you want boy-boy, girl-girl, boy to girl, or girl to boy action in your game?" Seems like the most obvious way to have a game most of us would appreciate but also allow for other folks to enjoy the game their way as well.

It's performative, hypocritical and at the end of the day... super retarded.

because you are right.... but it should apply for absolutely everything. videogames are the perfect medium, especially these kind of RPGs. but of course they are not going to be truly diverse and inclusive because its just financially and creatively imposible.

 

[Nickolaidas]

backstory,

I see what you did there.

 

[kikii]

Did you name it Aloy ?

i got offended by u two

 

[Topher]

Paul Tassi would never

Like the way he explains his issues with this stuff.

 

[Dazraell]

We've had it all, brothers.

Slap fighting.
Taylor Swift ass pics
A meme thr-ohgodihateeveryone
Asmonbanned
Heated gender ideology debates
Manabyte getting banned over breast milk.
A Barve, and how to pull one.
Review controversies.
Tyrannical Reddit mods
Seinfeld dinner with the NB scene.

Truly, my cup runneth over.

Classic Mana

 

[Windom Earle]

BREAKING NEWS our favorite incel streamer (and nazi) has come out as trans

so, it's not only the side quest?.... this game is truly breaking boundaries

lol this is crazy how every option has the same outcome

 

[Dr.Morris79]

lol this is crazy how every option has the same outcome

Huh, just had this come up on YouTube straight after I watched that. There's even a mention of Gaf in there



The AAA gaming landscape is wild. It's a strange one to me, a while back (And going back nigh on 30 years+) I'd of jumped on most new AAA games, good or bad, I knew what I'd be getting from a basic standpoint

These days I wouldn't dream of buying most AAA games day one.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

If this is your biggest issue in life, you have other problems to deal with.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

If this is your biggest issue in life, you have other problems to deal with.

It's not an issue at all. I just don't buy it

What they do without my money is of no concern to me

 

[Bernardougf]

If this is your biggest issue in life, you have other problems to deal with.

Yeah we are in a gaming forum to discuss our bigger serious issues in our daily life and what to do with them ... thats neogaf first and foremost objective.

 

[Branded]

BREAKING NEWS our favorite incel streamer (and nazi) has come out as trans

so, it's not only the side quest?.... this game is truly breaking boundaries

Dude my jaw was on the floor when I saw this. I can't believe they actually just say "trans" like that in a fantasy game.

(probably already posted but here's the viddy anyway)

 

[BigDeadFreak]

If this is your biggest issue in life, you have other problems to deal with.

No one is saying that it's the biggest issue in their life.

We live in a free society. The people who make these games are free to put trans characters in them. The people who don't like that are free not to buy them and we are all free to discuss it.

People who eye roll and make out that it's no big deal would shit a brick if all trans characters were banned from video games. It's clearly an important issue to both sides and making out that you're above it doesn't fool anyone.

 

[ValiantInstance]

If this is your biggest issue in life, you have other problems to deal with.

Step 1. X not happening, this is a conspiracy
Step 2. Why do you even care about X?
Step 3. X is actually a good thing, and here's why!

Big Step 2 energy.

 

[UnrealEck]

No one is saying that it's the biggest issue in their life.

We live in a free society. The people who make these games are free to put trans characters in them. The people who don't like that are free not to buy them and we are all free to discuss it.

People who eye roll and make out that it's no big deal would shit a brick if all trans characters were banned from video games. It's clearly an important issue to both sides and making out that you're above it doesn't fool anyone.

I keep seeing these posts (Not yours, the one you replied to).
People saying things like 'you know you could just not discuss games on this gaming forum. I'm sure you have more productive things to do'.

The constant downplaying of this being a growing issue since 2014 in games is why I dedicate a slither of my time discussing it.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

Dude my jaw was on the floor when I saw this. I can't believe they actually just say "trans" like that in a fantasy game.

(probably already posted but here's the viddy anyway)

It's crazy to think there was a time on GAF you would get dogpiled, reported and banned for using that word. Or actually, maybe I said 'tranny'

 

[Dynasty8]

It's crazy to think there was a time on GAF you would get dogpiled, reported and banned for using that word. Or actually, maybe I said 'tranny'

I remember getting banned for calling Caitlyn Jenner "weird" back in 2017...

 

[PeteBull]

If this is your biggest issue in life, you have other problems to deal with.

Dont u dare to call out insanity of clownworld pov in a videogame, or else...
What u gonna force me to do, maybe ... push ups

 

[AGRacing]

Some of this dialogue is so fucking weird.

There are ways of subtly embedding this sort of material into the fabric of the story without it seeming like the writing team has been hijacked by rabid gender idealogues. It just feels ridiculously out of place in a medieval fantasy setting, literally taking you of the game.

Yeah. It says a lot that the morons writing this garbage are incapable subtext or subtlety.

Remember one of the hallmarks of great writing “show not tell” “rub everything in everybody’s face”.