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http://www.economist.com/blogs/grap...tw/te/bl/ed/trumpsucceedswherehealthisfailing

Fighting fit for such a challenge, The Economist has crunched the numbers and discovered a coherent set of variables that beat it: an index of health metrics. Together these variables can explain 43% of the Republican party’s gains over the Democrats. Even when controlling for a battery of other indicators—race, education, age, gender, income, marital status, immigration and employment—these health metrics remain significant and predictive.

Let's just allow Republicans to repeal Obamacare and privatize Medicare shall we?

 

[BriareosGAF]

Let's just allow Republicans to repeal Obamacare and privatize Medicare shall we?

From a Darwinist perspective... maybe?

 

[Rebel Leader]

Didn't we just have a thread on this?

 

[nubbe]

No surprise that desperate people see hope in a demagogue
No job, education or health make you fall for big lies when "reasonable" people ignore your struggle

 

[Lowmelody]

From a Darwinist perspective... maybe?

What's this now?

 

[shattyboombatty]

I'm having an incredibly hard time understanding this graph...

If I'm on the West, and in good health, then my support of republicans went down? The majority of people whose support for republicans went up are in bad health and in the south/midwest?

 

[Moosichu]

From a Darwinist perspective... maybe?

What the fuck.
I really hope that's just a really bad joke.

 

[guek]

What's really sad is that people don't understand the entire reason premiums are going up is because not enough healthy people signed up for health care. They're going to get rid of the mandatory clause and premiums are going to go up even further for everyone.

 

[p_xavier]

From a Darwinist perspective... maybe?

Mouhahaha, I choked on my wine.

 

[Breads]

From a Darwinist perspective... maybe?

Literal nazi quote?

Or are you calling republicans dumb. This is an ambiguous read.

 

[E-Cat]

In their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand.

 

[tuxfool]

Literal nazi quote?

Or are you calling republicans dumb. This is an ambiguous read.

I'd say the latter. Those who need healthcare the most are more liable to vote Republican. I'd say in this instance correlation isn't causation as better health can be attributed to lifestyle and proximity to health related services.

Remember when Republicans were outraged at Michelle Obama promoting more healthy eating at schools?

 

[fastford58]

From a Darwinist perspective... maybe?

Burn him. Burn him?

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Republicans will do almost the same shit as Obamacare, but maybe expanded so that it actually works. Democrats will comply because it actually helps people, and then Republicans will get the credit for "destroying Obamacare and replacing it with something that works". Dems will have that L for a long time.

Or Republicans will just fuck it up and a lot of people will suffer. Rural America won't hold the L because they don't even know they fucked up voting for Trump.

 

[guek]

Republicans will do almost the same shit as Obamacare, but maybe expanded so that it actually works. Democrats will comply because it actually helps people, and then Republicans will get the credit for "destroying Obamacare and replacing it with something that works". Dems will have that L for a long time.

Or Republicans will just fuck it up and a lot of people will suffer. Rural America won't hold the L because they don't even know they fucked up voting for Trump.

They are not going to "fix" Obamacare, they fundamentally do not understand why it's struggling. Eliminating mandatory enrollment, employee mandates, and allowing for the sale of plans across state lines isn't going to fix anything.

 

[shattyboombatty]

Republicans will do almost the same shit as Obamacare, but maybe expanded so that it actually works. Democrats will comply because it actually helps people, and then Republicans will get the credit for destroying Obamacare and replacing it with something that works. Dems will have the L for a long time.

Or Republicans will just fuck it up and a lot of people will suffer. Rural America won't hold the L because they don't even know they fucked up voting for Trump.

Most definitely the latter. I highly doubt the republicans will design or at least implement something that works, and whatever monstrosity they try to push through (if they even bother) will be at the expense of the poor. I would love to be wrong, but team R has consistently been fucking up for a long time.

 

[subrock]

What the fuck.
I really hope that's just a really bad joke.

he's just saying people are dumb for voting against their own interests. Calm yourself.

 

[Maztorre]

Republicans will do almost the same shit as Obamacare, but maybe expanded so that it actually works. Democrats will comply because it actually helps people, and then Republicans will get the credit for "destroying Obamacare and replacing it with something that works". Dems will have that L for a long time.

Or Republicans will just fuck it up and a lot of people will suffer. Rural America won't hold the L because they don't even know they fucked up voting for Trump.

They have shown with ACA that they will literally sabotage their own policies at the cost of people's lives to score political points. I think the latter will happen, because the endemic corruption and greed within the Republican party, coupled with their ideological need to destroy positive government action, will not allow them to implement a public good.

 

[ponpo]

From a Darwinist perspective... maybe?

lol damn

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

From a Darwinist perspective... maybe?

LMAO

It's interesting data, but y'know, correlation vs causation. Unless someone can prove that becoming healthier makes someone more Democrat.

 

[Green Yoshi]

Didn't he say in the republican primaries that under him as president nobody would die on the street? And then Cruz and Rubio accused him of promoting single payer healthcare.

EDIT: Here's the video:
https://youtu.be/DIfsBnJMaLg?t=80

 

[yanipheonu]

It's another sign that, yes, people are suffering in America.

There really is a subsection of Trump voters that really are at the state that they will take literally anything over the status quo.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Republicans will do almost the same shit as Obamacare, but maybe expanded so that it actually works. Democrats will comply because it actually helps people, and then Republicans will get the credit for "destroying Obamacare and replacing it with something that works". Dems will have that L for a long time.

Or Republicans will just fuck it up and a lot of people will suffer. Rural America won't hold the L because they don't even know they fucked up voting for Trump.

Something something "health savings accounts", something something "high-risk pools", something something "sell across state lines".

That's been the extent of the GOP's plan for replacing the ACA so far.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's another sign that, yes, people are suffering in America.

There really is a subsection of Trump voters that really are at the state that they will take literally anything over the status quo.

They should all move to Kansas, if they're not already there. That's as far from the status quo as it gets and it is going splendidly from all accounts.

 

[Trickster]

So it's pretty much all the sick people voting republican and hating the evil obamacare?

 

[Moosichu]

he's just saying people are dumb for voting against their own interests. Calm yourself.

Sorry for overreacting. Been with some people expressing similarish sentiments and it got to me. Sorry!

 

[LegendofJoe]

What's really sad is that people don't understand the entire reason premiums are going up is because not enough healthy people signed up for health care. They're going to get rid of the mandatory clause and premiums are going to go up even further for everyone.

The GOP won't get rid of outright denial of coverage if you have a preexisting condition but you will likely pay for it via much higher premiums and deductibles. They are currently saying that those people will get a higher subsidy to help them afford coverage, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[digdug2k]

They are not going to "fix" Obamacare, they fundamentally do not understand why it's struggling. Eliminating mandatory enrollment, employee mandates, and allowing for the sale of plans across state lines isn't going to fix anything.

There's an article on VOX today about them eliminating mandatory enrollment, but enrolling everyone in a shitty plan by default. i.e. Democrats forcing people to have a health plan they don't use == an affront on our fundamental freedoms, but republicans forcing everyone to have a default health plan == a smart solution to a difficult problem.

I assume their argument is that you CAN opt out of the 'default', which people probably will right about the time the entire thing falls apart.

 

[xevis]

It's interesting data, but y'know, correlation vs causation. Unless someone can prove that becoming healthier makes someone more Democrat.

I'm not sure what point you're making here; the bolded text in particular makes me think you've drawn entirely inappropriate conclusions from the article. So, to be clear, causation is neither claimed nor sought. The study only looks for variables that try to predict voting patterns. Health appears to be such a variable, even after controlling for a variety of other things. What does that actually mean though? Well, exactly what it says on the label. Trying to extrapolate a richer narrative from the available data, as you've done here, seems misguided to me.