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Even as a Madden fan, I have to admit, these ESPN NFL shots look amazing.
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LuckyBrand
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holy crap!
are those xbox shots? apparently this year, they are making it for xbox ground up instead of porting the PS2 version and slightly upgrading it...
apparently at e3, everyone was impressed by ESPN 05, and even some EA sports guys were talking about it...
i loved NFL 2k, 2k1, and 2k2, but 2k3 was "meh" to me... I never played ESPN 2K4, but ill probably get 2k5... will be a hard choice now that both are on LIVE, madden 05 or espn 05...
are those xbox shots? apparently this year, they are making it for xbox ground up instead of porting the PS2 version and slightly upgrading it...
apparently at e3, everyone was impressed by ESPN 05, and even some EA sports guys were talking about it...
i loved NFL 2k, 2k1, and 2k2, but 2k3 was "meh" to me... I never played ESPN 2K4, but ill probably get 2k5... will be a hard choice now that both are on LIVE, madden 05 or espn 05...
Alcibiades
Member
If that's the way the game looks and looks good in motion, I'll make it my first XBox game (when I get one), just for the purpose of showing it off and wowing all the Madden casuals that roam the residence halls at my college...
THOSE ARE SWEET...
GO SEGA!
THOSE ARE SWEET...
GO SEGA!
shpankey
not an idiot
I was just reading about this game. Apparently they are using "Normal Mapping" (also seen in Riddick and Doom 3) which accounts for the low polygon counts (look closely and you can see some of the models have really low polygons) but insanely awesome lighting.
It looks amazing, but honestly, ESPN NFL 2k4 sucked soooo much ass in the gameplay dept. They need to also rewrite the gameplay code.
It is jaw dropping graphics though!
It looks amazing, but honestly, ESPN NFL 2k4 sucked soooo much ass in the gameplay dept. They need to also rewrite the gameplay code.
It is jaw dropping graphics though!
Fallopian Tube
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Agent Dormer
Dirty Drinking Smoker
Wow, that looks sharp. Nuts!
shpankey said:
Yeah, and abou the "plastic" comment, much like Riddick the lighting and movement will make them look much more realistic. Hell....even if they looked like blow up dolls, at this quality I'd take 'em. Looks like they're working their butts off ( though perhaps on the wrong aspect)
Dunno, but it doesn't look like it does.
OK it doesn't look "really bad" as I remember it, but it pales in comparison to ESPN Football.
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/espnnba2005/screenindex.html
OK it doesn't look "really bad" as I remember it, but it pales in comparison to ESPN Football.
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/espnnba2005/screenindex.html
Naked Snake
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Layman's terms, a detailed, high-quality model with top-notch lighting is made, then its image is mapped onto a much lower-quality model, keeping all the lighting properties such as clothing folds and etc., making a model look just as detailed using far less processing power.FoneBone said:
I'm sure Panajev or some other techie will correct what I said wrong or didn't explain well enough, but that's the gist of NM.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
fellas, we've all read this book before. it was called espn football. everyone got hyped up, everyone gave the cubs speech and said "this is VC's year!" and then it came out and it was still the same unpolished BS pulling it down to the ground.
bottom line is this. you fellas know that i buy every football game every year, so im not brainwashing you with madden prop, but bottom line is over the long haul madden is clearly the better game. espn's graphics will wow you, but once you get to the meat and potatoes, you will find little incosistencies, little inaccuracies, little bugs here and there, gameplay problems still coming to the surface from years past, and guess what? they all add up to a sour taste in your mouth. nothing i saw @ e3 and nothing i've heard from VC's design team themselves (on their boards and dave z's site) has led me to believe they are fixing the things that are truly wrong with the game.
these graphics do look delicious, all i'm saying is let the cards fall where they may, and come sept. 9 (another GENIUS move by VC) we'll see if VC put their money where their mouth is. i have serious doubts though
bottom line is this. you fellas know that i buy every football game every year, so im not brainwashing you with madden prop, but bottom line is over the long haul madden is clearly the better game. espn's graphics will wow you, but once you get to the meat and potatoes, you will find little incosistencies, little inaccuracies, little bugs here and there, gameplay problems still coming to the surface from years past, and guess what? they all add up to a sour taste in your mouth. nothing i saw @ e3 and nothing i've heard from VC's design team themselves (on their boards and dave z's site) has led me to believe they are fixing the things that are truly wrong with the game.
these graphics do look delicious, all i'm saying is let the cards fall where they may, and come sept. 9 (another GENIUS move by VC) we'll see if VC put their money where their mouth is. i have serious doubts though
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Those pics are nice, but people don't judge a finished game on how good it takes screenshots-- how it looks in motion is what matters in the final analysis. ESPN 2k4 looks better in motion than Madden 2004, which is pretty cartoonish when compared with ESPN. If that gap increases significantly this year, at some point casual gamers may start to take notice and not simply dismiss purchasing ESPN out of hand like they do now.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i have a 3,000 yard per season running back agreeing with you that espn was better. go team!
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
Madden has always been weaker, but there is always just that one problem that REALLY drags down ESPN. Last year it was the horrible tackling in the running game. But whatever, I've decided to get both this year.
FrenchMovieTheme said:
And I've got a rookie QB that threw for 5500 yards and 51 touchdowns with a running back who had 2000 yards rushing and 1500 receiving that says Madden's passing game was just as broken as ESPN's running game.
Neither game was perfect, I just think that ESPN was less flawed of the two.
LittleTokyo
Member
Ah, my eyes!!!
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Madden's passing game is indeed broken, in that it encourages you to drop back 20 yards and run around like a chicken with his head cut off until somebody gets open, which always happen when you have essentially as long as you need to throw. Suction blocking is the main culprit, but they also need to decrease the QB dropback speed.
It boggles my mind how VC could develop an otherwise great game with something as obvious as the Super RB flaw, which is compounded by the poor pursuit angles that safeties take to the ballcarrier. I do think ESPN is a better multiplayer game because there are fewer loopholes for cheesers to exploit.
It boggles my mind how VC could develop an otherwise great game with something as obvious as the Super RB flaw, which is compounded by the poor pursuit angles that safeties take to the ballcarrier. I do think ESPN is a better multiplayer game because there are fewer loopholes for cheesers to exploit.
Cerebral Palsy
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Fifty said:The fact that Jerome Bettis was the best running back in ESPN last year was proof that the game was broken. I'm sure Biff can elaborate.
Fucking Bettis
Cerebral Palsy said:
I used to play with Biff (Ura on old GA) and he would break about 30 tackles with Bettis each play. The guy would toss to Bettis, and The Bus would just run all the way down the fucking field. All the while he wasn't even their #1 back in real life. Fucking Bettis indeed.
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
Fifty said:
Yar. Ramirez was the Steelers in the GA ESPN league. Fucking Bettis.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
here's the thing though: i can shut a QB down easily who isn't named vick and drops back 20 yards. you can't even shut down trung fucking canidate in ESPN. both games are flawed no one is debating that. but i swear to god you could NEVER drop back *20* yards (from midfield back to the 30) on a decent player and have consistent success. i would bet you a million dollars you couldn't put up those supposed rookie numbers you had against a league of human opponents. but take a look at our GA espn league arch. faulk with over 3,000 yards rushing AGAINST HUMAN PLAYERS! that is complete garbage.
you want to say the passing game is broken, fine. but if you call maddens passing game broken, then i call ESPN's running game obliterated, cause they are in 2 different leagues in regards to dirtiness. i fully expect the running game to be fixed in ESPN (although it wasn't @ e3...) but i also expect another game-crippling problem to pop up. prove me wrong, VC, prove me wrong!
you want to say the passing game is broken, fine. but if you call maddens passing game broken, then i call ESPN's running game obliterated, cause they are in 2 different leagues in regards to dirtiness. i fully expect the running game to be fixed in ESPN (although it wasn't @ e3...) but i also expect another game-crippling problem to pop up. prove me wrong, VC, prove me wrong!
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
I hope I don't have to get an Xbox...
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
xbox = best for espn football. unlike madden, there is a pretty big difference between the xbox version and ps2 version
Biff Hardbody
Member
Fifty said:
As much as I like to pride myself on being a good player, Fifty is right. Bettis was Earl Campbell on some type of experimental super steroids in ESPN. I think my average ypc was around 10.5. I was shut down in a few games, but for the most part I won and won big. I enjoyed using the Steelers with 70's uni's, otherwise I may never have seen Jerome Campbell do his thing.
The problem/good with playing online is that your exposed to a games flaws quickly. It doesn't matter what type of game. Tribes 2 the problem is spam, Fight Night the problem is people using buttons VS stick, football games seem to have all sorts of money plays and glitches.
One thing I hated in ESPN was playing against McNabb. When I played against someone using them, they'd drop back 30 yards. If no one was open they'd run for a gain, and because there was so little momentum, he'd cut on a dime and leave pursuing defenders in his dust. It was frustrating and unfun.
I don't like the "light" feeling of the game, the ability to turn on a dime (more or less)...it feels like hockey at time.
Despite all that, ESPN was a good game last year. I had some very close games at times, despite the overpowered QB's and RB's, overall it was an immersive experience.
Madden was my least played football game last year. I was dissapointed from the get go, the running seemed worse then NCAA's and the QB protection was non existant. Actually, I was very dissapointed in Madden. Its true, I didn't invest much time in it because I had NCAA...but my initial impressions were very poor. I quickly put it on the back burner, and went back to playing NCAA (which I consider the best football game of last season and before).
Another gripe I have with Madden is they still haven't put in the classic Steelers uniforms. Is there some reason for this? Or is it just laziness? I will say that classic teams were handled far better in Madden though, giving you the ability to fully edit the names and numbers of players (Compared to only being able to edit the last name of players in ESPN). Also, correct me if I'm wrong but Early Campbell was white in last years ESPN (I know for sure he was a whiteboy in the year previous, come on...that's just terrible).
Even though I love NCAA, it isn't without its flaws. Toss plays did not exist. In over 70 games I never did one successfully. This year I've seen video of them, and they looked to be fixed. That's reassuring. Still, I heard there were other flaws and exploits. Thankfully, I never came across them and just enjoyed the best single player sports video game experience I ever had.
Based on my time with all three games, no game delivers a better single player experience then NCAA. The dynasty mode with SI coverage is so damn fun, to get your star player on the cover, to win the heisman, to break school records...its all great fun. Then there's the whole feeling of school spirit that is non existant in the pro games. This year, it looks to be even more powerful with a packed Dynasty mode, homefield advantage, better SI...ecd.
This year, I'll buy NCAA first and make my decision on the pro game later. Madden has me more interested, with the PS2 collecters edition. But, I won't count ESPN out.
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
I couldn't shut down an above average player who could competently exploit the passing offense loopholes on anything lower than All-Madden. It is harder to exploit Madden on the higher levels because the AI cheats. The safeties make superhuman breaks on the ball to knock down throws, which is pretty frustrating. Hopefully it will be a new story this year with all the defensive changes they've made.
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
Ramirez said:I wish everyone would get it for PS2 so I could still participate in the leagues
Same.
Btw, fuck Bettis.
Well here is some disappointing news about ESPN Football 2005:
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/sports/espnnflfootball2005/preview_6100052.html
The tackle-breaking is a big problem from last year and it should have been one of the first things fixed. I have my concerns with ESPN Football 2005, but Madden still hasn't made an offical announcement about Online Leagues yet either. So far I think Madden is in the lead for my money for 2005 football game.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/sports/espnnflfootball2005/preview_6100052.html
The tackle-breaking is a big problem from last year and it should have been one of the first things fixed. I have my concerns with ESPN Football 2005, but Madden still hasn't made an offical announcement about Online Leagues yet either. So far I think Madden is in the lead for my money for 2005 football game.