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[Chopin Trusty Balls]

I was working on my "Refrain"(SP?) for the Uni on Fall 2004 US Videogame sales.

Since i had to compile lists,i used retail lists and publisher releaselists.

I started with exclusive,i will post multiplatform ones later if there is any intresst


PS2:
Gradius V
Sly 2
King of Fighters Maximum Impact
Monster Hunter
Shadow Hearts Covenant
Yu-Yu Hakusho
Shin Megami Tensei:Nocturne
Shaman Kingower of Spirit
Blood Will Tell
Chrono Q
Battle Assault 3
Cowboy Bebop
Nightmare Before Christmass
GTA:San Andreas
Death by Degrees
Time Crisis:Crisis Zone
Ace Combat 5
Killzone
Kuon
Under the Skin
Chulip
Sega Superstars
Inuyasha
Megaman X8
Ghost in the Shell
Shadow of Rime
R&C3:Up your Arsenal
Guilty Gear Isuka
Gran Tourismo 4
Metal Gear Solid 3
Altered Beast
Digital Devil Saga
DBZ:Budokai 3
Suikoden 4
Rumble Roses
Yu-Gi-Oh Monster blahblah
Wild Arms:Alter Code F
Jak 3
Neo Contra
Devil May Cry 3

Gamecube:
Zoids Battle Legends
Donkey Konga
Paper Mario 2
Metroid Prime 2
Baten Kaitos
Star Fox

XB:
Halo2
Brothers in Arms
Doom 3
Men of Valor
Unreal Championship 2
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Fable
Forza Motorsports
Splinter Cell 3
Outrun 2
Operation Flashpoint
Tron 2.0
Black Hawk Down
Painkiller
Call of Cthulhu
Close Combat
Iron Phoenix
Otogi 2
Blinx 2
Advent Rising
Spikeout
Yager
Gun Griffon
Xiyanide
Galleon
Kore Gang
Vultures
SNK vs Capcom
Scrapland

MS did respectable job grabbing third party support

 

[jarrod]

The following aren't really exclusive....

PS2:
GTA:San Andreas (XBox port was unofficially confirmed for early 2005)

XB:
Brothers in Arms (PC port)
Doom 3 (PC port)
Men of Valor (PC port)
Splinter Cell 3 (PC port and coming to other platforms in 2005)
Operation Flashpoint (PC port)
Tron 2.0 (PC port)
Black Hawk Down (PC port)
Call of Cthulhu (PC port)
Advent Rising (PC port)
Yager (PC port)
Gun Griffon (PC/PS2 ports, US exclusive though)
Xiyanide (PC/GBA/NGage ports)
SNK vs Capcom (MVS port)
Scrapland (PC port)

MS did respectable job grabbing third party support

You mean 3rd party PC ports.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Since when do NeoGeo and PC ports count as exclusives?

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

The following aren't really exclusive....

PS2:
GTA:San Andreas (XBox port was unofficiallt confirmed for early 2005)

XB:
Brothers in Arms (PC port)
Doom 3 (PC port)
Men of Valor (PC port)
Splinter Cell 3 (PC port and coming to other platforms in 2005)
Operation Flashpoint (PC port)
Tron 2.0 (PC port)
Black Hawk Down (PC port)
Call of Cthulhu (PC port)
Yager (PC port)
Gun Griffon (PC/PS2 ports, US exclusive though)
Xiyanide (PC/GBA/NGage ports)
SNK vs Capcom (MVS port)
Scrapland (PC port)



You mean 3rd party PC ports.

I ment console videogames only

I will also have to try calculating how allready avaible games will impact the sales of upcoming ones.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

Since when do NeoGeo and PC ports count as exclusives?

Since there are hordes of consumers without PC buying them?

 

[Baron Aloha]

Since there are hordes of consumers without PC buying them?

That doesn't matter. I mean heck, there could be (and often are) hordes of consumers without a GC or Xbox who buy a port of a third party game on the PS2 but that doesn't make it exclusive. A port is a port is a port.

And what about Mario Tennis, Mario Party 6, Silent Hill 4, and Resident Evil 4?

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

That doesn't matter. I mean heck, there could be (and often are) hordes of consumers without a GC or Xbox who buy a port of a third party game on the PS2 but that doesn't make it exclusive. A port is a port is a port.

And what about Mario Tennis, Mario Party 6, and Resident Evil 4?

RE4 delay is 99%,Mario Tennis is 2005 according to Nintendo,and Mario Party 6 has only been announce for December Japan release,i doubt it will ship this year in US,it wasnt even officialy announced sofar.

As for first part of your post,PC and consoles are 2 totally different segments,which was proved by various surveys.The point is , console exclusive PC ports will sell tons of consoles.

 

[Baron Aloha]

RE4 delay is 99%,Mario Tennis is 2005 according to Nintendo,and Mario Party 6 has only been announce for December Japan release,i doubt it will ship this year in US,it wasnt even officialy announced sofar

So a few rumors = 99% chance of a delay? Until Capcom says otherwise, RE4 is still a 2004 game. They aren't the most reliable source but EBGames.com has both Mario Party 6 and Mario Tennis marked down for this year. I'm not surprised you didn't notice them when you made this list because they are listed after the 2005 stuff for some reason.

 

[open_mouth_]

Thanks. Games of interest:

PS2-
Gradius V
GTA:San Andreas
Killzone
Jak 3
GT4

GC-
Metroid Prime 2

Xbox-
Halo2
Fable
Brothers in Arms
Doom 3
Outrun 2
Xiyanide
Forza Motorsports
DOA Ultimate

 

[levious]

Mario Party 6 has only been announce for December Japan release,i doubt it will ship this year in US,it wasnt even officialy announced sofar.

Dec 6 release for NA... announced at E3... and for reference, Mario Party 5 shipped to NA prior to JPN.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

So a few rumors = 99% chance of a delay? Until Capcom says otherwise, RE4 is still a 2004 game. They aren't the most reliable source but EBGames.com has both Mario Party 6 and Mario Tennis marked down for this year. I'm not surprised you didn't notice them when you made this list because they are listed after the 2005 stuff for some reason.

Ebgames,Gamestop,Amazon,thats pretty obvious,especialy with Capcom resisting to give clear answer,i mean you can hope and all,but if i were you i wouldnt.

Ebgames also shows Jade Empire and Kotor2 as 2004,but it doesnt mean they are coming 2004,in fact they arent.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

Dec 6 release for NA... announced at E3... and for reference, Mario Party 5 shipped to NA prior to JPN.

Link?

 

[sonycowboy]

PS2:
GTA:San Andreas (XBox port was unofficially confirmed for early 2005)

I didn't see such a confirmation. I know that Wedbush made a speculation regarding GTA: SA Xbox sales, but that's a real stretch to use that. A real big stretch. Was there any other reference?

 

[Baron Aloha]

Ebgames,Gamestop,Amazon,thats pretty obvious,especialy with Capcom resisting to give clear answer,i mean you can hope and all,but if i were you i wouldnt.

IIRC, Capcom DID give a clear answer about a delay when the shipment date on EBgames.com first changed. They stated unequivocally that it was still due to ship this year.

And you are still missing Silent Hill 4. It ships in September.

 

[SteveMeister]

Here's what I'll probably get out of this list:

PS2:
Nightmare Before Christmass
Gran Tourismo 4


Gamecube:
Paper Mario 2
Metroid Prime 2


XB:
Fable

 

[seismologist]

Where did you get these lists?

I was gonna make my "to buy" list but alot of PS2 games seem to be missing.

Astro Boy
Katamary Damacii
Taiko Drum Master
Ghost Hunter

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

Huh? They stated "We allways said Winter 2004" or something,how is that this year,Matt said this year not Capcom.

Anyway i dont remember a single case when all 3 sites put up same wrong date.

 

[levious]

Ebgames,Gamestop,Amazon,thats pretty obvious,especialy with Capcom resisting to give clear answer,i mean you can hope and all,but if i were you i wouldnt.

Ebgames also shows Jade Empire and Kotor2 as 2004,but it doesnt mean they are coming 2004,in fact they arent.

so you just proved retail lists are not reliable.

as for Mario Party 6

http://cube.ign.com/objects/674/674010.html

and for mario party 5 release dates

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/data/36882.html

 

[sonycowboy]

The following aren't really exclusive....

PS2:
GTA:San Andreas (XBox port was unofficially confirmed for early 2005)

XB:
Brothers in Arms (PC port)
Doom 3 (PC port)
Men of Valor (PC port)
Splinter Cell 3 (PC port and coming to other platforms in 2005)
Operation Flashpoint (PC port)
Tron 2.0 (PC port)
Black Hawk Down (PC port)
Call of Cthulhu (PC port)
Yager (PC port)
Gun Griffon (PC/PS2 ports, US exclusive though)
Xiyanide (PC/GBA/NGage ports)
SNK vs Capcom (MVS port)
Scrapland (PC port)



You mean 3rd party PC ports.

Yeah, that cuts the Xbox list in half. Take out M$ & Ubi and you're not left with much at all.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

I ment only Fall releases,so September to December,your games are coming in August

 

[seismologist]

The following aren't really exclusive....

Advent Rising is also on PC

 

[IJoel]

Gee... the Xbox hatas are full on.

WE MUST FIND LOOPHOLES TO MAKE IT LOOK BAD!

WE MUST PROTECT THE HIVE!

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

so you just proved retail lists are not reliable.

as for Mario Party 6

http://cube.ign.com/objects/674/674010.html

and for mario party 5 release dates

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/data/36882.html

http://cube.ign.com/articles/513/513765p1.html

There arent any details on release,IGN date is just provisoric.

As for retail,again not just one site,but all three,at once.
Feel free to set your self up for a disapointment

 

[sonycowboy]

Gee... the Xbox hatas are full on.

WE MUST FIND LOOPHOLES TO MAKE IT LOOK BAD!

WE MUST PROTECT THE HIVE!

OK. Real loopholes. The point of this thread is to list exclusives. Right?

 

[ToyMachine228]

Brothers In Arms is also coming to the GameCube and PlayStation 2 in 2005.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

console exclusives.

The thread is completely derailed

 

[Kobun Heat]

In addition to RE4 you're missing Geist, Killer7, Amazing Island, Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life 2...

Good job though; I've never seen someone troll a university research paper before.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

@ Kobun
They are all either 2005,or coming in August

 

[levious]

http://cube.ign.com/articles/513/513765p1.html

There arent any details on release,IGN date is just provisoric.

As for retail,again not just one site,but all three,at once.
Feel free to set your self up for a disapointment

IGN isn't the only site saying Dec 6... I can't imagine why multiple retail sites saying something (when they usually leech info like this from each other anyway) is good enough for you yet this isn't. Edit: EBgames list mario party 6 for Dec 6 as well.

PS Sonic Mega Collection coming to PS2 this fall!!!

 

[IJoel]

In addition to RE4 you're missing Geist, Killer7, Amazing Island, Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life 2...

Good job though; I've never seen someone troll a university research paper before.

But... you should've. You are master troll!

Anyway... I'm looking forward to the following:

PS2:
Gradius V
Sly 2
Shadow Hearts Covenant
Shin Megami Tensei:Nocturne
GTA:San Andreas
Ace Combat 5
Killzone
Shadow of Rome
R&C3:Up your Arsenal
Gran Tourismo 4
Metal Gear Solid 3
Altered Beast
Digital Devil Saga
Suikoden 4
Jak 3
Devil May Cry 3


Gamecube:
Donkey Konga
Paper Mario 2
Metroid Prime 2
Baten Kaitos


XB:
Halo2
Doom 3
Unreal Championship 2
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Fable
Forza Motorsports
Splinter Cell 3
Outrun 2
Otogi 2
Blinx 2
Advent Rising
Spikeout
SNK vs Capcom

 

[seismologist]

Ok then, based on the games you listed my list looks like:

PS2:
Gradius V
Monster Hunter
Blood Will Tell
GTA:San Andreas
Death by Degrees
Killzone
Under the Skin
Shadow of Rime
R&C3:Up your Arsenal
Gran Tourismo 4
Metal Gear Solid 3
Altered Beast
Devil May Cry 3

Gamecube:
Metroid Prime 2

PC:
Doom 3
Splinter Cell 3

Xbox:
Fable
Outrun 2
Spikeout


*wonders why Phatansy Star Trilogy isn't on the list*

 

[Kobun Heat]

They are all either 2005,or coming in August

RE4, Killer7, and Harvest Moon are listed as Q4 2004. Amazing Island is listed as Holiday 2004.

 

[Kobun Heat]

By the way, Mario Party *Advance* is the game scheduled for December 6. Mario Party 6 wasn't shown at E3, nor is there any mention of it in the press kit.

 

[COCKLES]

Yeah, that cuts the Xbox list in half. Take out M$ & Ubi and you're not left with much at all.

Take out the lamentable forgettable Jap games and neither is the PS2.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Take out the lamentable forgettable Jap games and neither is the PS2.

Which ones are forgettable though? I'd say the majority of them work just fine. They aren't some B Grade exclusives.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Since everyone else is doing it, here's what I'm buying:

PS2:
Gradius V
Sly 2
King of Fighters Maximum Impact
Yu-Yu Hakusho
Blood Will Tell
GTA:San Andreas
Ace Combat 5
Killzone
Megaman X8
R&C3:Up your Arsenal
Guilty Gear Isuka
Gran Tourismo 4
Metal Gear Solid 3
Altered Beast
Suikoden 4
Rumble Roses
Jak 3
Neo Contra
Devil May Cry 3

Gamecube:
Donkey Konga
Paper Mario 2
Metroid Prime 2
Baten Kaitos
Star Fox
Resident Evil 4
Mario Tennis
Mario Party 6

XB:
Dead or Alive Ultimate

PC:
Doom 3
STALKER
The Sims 2

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

Lol?

Even Capcom announced Killer 7 is 2005.

Amazing Island is coming this August,but this is only for Sept-Dec timeframe.

I will eat my report and post pics here if RE4 ships this year,seriously.

Harvest Moon i dont know,they havnt announced US releasedate,i dont think its ships this year in US,especially with all the other games

http://www.natsume.com/comingsoon_frameset.html

 

[levious]

every news site has Mario Party 6 listed as dec 6 as well as advance.. perhaps they want to launch it together... nintendo has 6 listed as Q4 either way... if nintendo's site isn't good enough then fine.

 

[dark10x]

Damn, PS2 is kicking TONS of ass this fall! There are a ton of incredible games already on that list with a bunch missing!!!

Oh, and he is missing Silent Hill 4 because SH4 is being released on XBOX, PS2, and PC.

 

[sonycowboy]

console exclusives.

The thread is completely derailed

Then you really should have listed it as so

Also, philosophically, we may well be past the point where trying to not count PC games makes very little sense. Since the introductions of the Playstation, PS2, & Xbox, the average age has moved from kiddies to an average age of 29, which puts it in direct competition with the PC games market. I'm not sure everyone knows this, but PC games sell more than any other platform except the PS2 in the US, signficantly ahead of the Xbox, GCN, & GBA. They are also major contributors to the US publishers financial results.

Anyway, the real point is exclusivity. Doom 3 will sell way more on the PC than the Xbox, among several others on your list. So, the fact that Doom 3 is a console exclusive doesn't carry anywhere near the same weight that other big console exclusives would.

 

[xsarien]

MS did respectable job grabbing third party support

The PS2 list is impressive, the XBox list is impressive if you like PC ports, late ports, late PC ports, Blinx, and Splinter Cell.

 

[sonycowboy]

Take out the lamentable forgettable Jap games and neither is the PS2.

LOL. Surely you can do better than that!

 

[clipunderground]

WTF?! poor Cube... you can do it little guy!!!! Bring the games back..

 

[xsarien]

Take out the lamentable forgettable Jap games and neither is the PS2.

At least the PS2 *has* lamentable Japanese games.

/cheap shot, sorry.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

Then you really should have listed it as so

Also, philosophically, we may well be past the point where trying to not count PC games makes very little sense. Since the introductions of the Playstation, PS2, & Xbox, the average age has moved from kiddies to an average age of 29, which puts it in direct competition with the PC games market. I'm not sure everyone knows this, but PC games sell more than any other platform except the PS2 in the US, signficantly ahead of the Xbox, GCN, & GBA. They are also major contributors to the US publishers financial results.

Anyway, the real point is exclusivity. Doom 3 will sell way more on the PC than the Xbox, among several others on your list. So, the fact that Doom 3 is a console exclusive doesn't carry anywhere near the same weight that other big console exclusives would.

Look at the sales of popular PC games ports(Ghost Recon,Splinter Cell,Max Payne etc)
There is a huge market for PC ports among console gamers.

Even horrible old ports like Unreal 2 manage to climb 100K.

 

[Prine]

My selection

PS2:

GTA:San Andreas
Killzone
Metal Gear Solid 3
Rumble Roses (maybe)
Devil May Cry 3 (maybe)

Gamecube:
Star Fox (maybe)

XB:
Halo2
Doom 3
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Fable
Splinter Cell 3 (maybe)
Outrun 2
Spikeout

 

[jarrod]

Fall GBA exclusives...

-Ice Nine
-Bubble Bobble Old & New
-Advance Guardian Heroes
-Disney's Lilo & Stitch 2
-Disney/Pixar's Finding Nemo: The Continuing Adventures
-Mega Man Anniversary Collection
-Pokemon Fire Red
-Pokemon Leaf Green
-Zoids: Legacy
-Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Attack of the Twonkies
-Dragon Ball Z: Buu's Fury
-Oggy and the Cockroaches
-F-Zero: GP Legend
-Fairly OddParents 2004
-Dreakworks Shark Tale
-Star Wars Trilogy: Apprentice of the Force
-Backyard Basketball
-Disney's Lizzie McGuire 2
-Disney's Magical Quest 3 starring Mickey & Donald
-Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories
-Shaman King: Master of Spirits
-Disney's Aladdin
-XS Jr. League Soccer
-Hardcore 4x4
-Hot Wheels Stunt Track Challenge
-LEGO Knights' Kingdom
-WWE Survivor Series
-Mario Pinball Land
-SD Gundam Force
-Rave Master: Final Attack!!
-Gundam Seed: Battle Assault
-Disney's That's So Raven
-Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas: The Pumpkin King
-TRON 2.0: Killer App
-Boktai 2: Solar Boy Django
-Tak 2: The Staff of Dreams
-Tokyo Xtreme Racer Advance
-FIFA Soccer 2005
-Nicktoons: Freeze Frame Frenzy
-Kirby & The Amazing Mirror
-Mega Man Zero 3
-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Battle Nexus
-Super Star Dance
-The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie
-TY the Tasmanian Tiger 2 Electronic Arts
-Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles
-Hardcore Pool
-Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events
-Duel Masters 2: Invincible Advance
-The Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
-World Championship Poker
-Polar Express
-The URBZ: Sims in the City
-Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
-Need for Speed Underground 2
-Mario Party Advance
-Action Man: Attack Robot
-Dragon Ball GT: Transformation
-Dragon Ball: The Red Ribbon Army Saga
-Madden NFL 2005
-Dead to Rights
-Grand Theft Auto Advance
-Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town For Girls
-I-Ninja
-Juka and the Monophonic Menace
-kill.switch
-Ms. Pac-Man Maze Madness
-Mythri
-Pac-Man World: 20th Anniversary Edition
-Pirate Battle
-Scurge: Hive
-Smashing Drive
-Superstar Tennis
-The Fast and the Furious
-Ultimate Card Games
-Ultimate Pocket Games
-World Reborn
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Destiny Board Traveler
-Final Fantasy I+II Advance
-Payback
-Tony Hawk's Underground 2
-King of Fighters A
-Shrek 2: Holidays
-Barbie as the Princess and the Pauper
-Cabela's Big Game Hunter 2005
-Duel Masters: Kaijudo Showdown
-Yu Yu Hakusho: Tournament Tactics

...GBA wins?

 

[sonycowboy]

^^^

95% of that stuff ain't exclusive. The PS2 has more total games coming out than any system, GBA included.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Bejeweled isn't an exclusive Jarrod.

 

[dark10x]

...GBA wins?

GC has quality...GBA has quantity...but PS2 has BOTH. Therefore, PS2 wins.

That GBA list is EXTREMELY appalling. I wouldn't want to even touch more than 5% (if that) of those games...

Ugh, you aren't seriously excited by that list are you?!?!