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[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Hey GAF,

over the weekend i finished reading Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean by M. Doreal.

In there, Yog-Sog-Thoth is mentioned. I only knew this name from Lovecraft stories and was surprised to see it here. A google search didn't bring much up other than a Reddit post which leans into some sort of copyright claim. I found it weird that there is nothing written online about the connection of these gods cause in this book it gives a different layer to them. Or maybe i just haven't read enough of such stories to know.

That's why i made this thread, to ask for your insight in regards to the connection.

It reads:

In the last days of Atlantis, the great wave of consciousness that had once occupied the bodies of Earth's people went to Venus, and the consciousness that occupied the bodies of the masses came from Mars. This was more materialistic than the previous consciousness, and since they looked into the darkness instead of the light, Yog-Sog-Thoth opened the door to the underlying cycle. Some of the consciousnesses of the previous wave were attracted by material power and entered this plane. It was perhaps this part of their nature that had prevented them from moving on with their companions. The one who opens the gate to the cycle below must be a master, otherwise he would not be sufficiently balanced in his power to prevent those from below from rising up.

I did not read the english version so i made this translation. Maybe it's not perfect but should give you a hint as to what im refering to.

Thoth is bringer of knowledge and wisdom for humanity, aiding them on their journey to ascension. And Yog-Sog-Thoth is his opposite. Same in knowledge and wisdom but different in degree. Given the premise of the book itself, this brief glimpse gives a deeper meaning to both entities showing that, neglecting the path of ascension is an option in itself. Of course without judgment cause it's still tied to occult practices. Obviously the focus lies on Thoth and the path he lays out so we don't get much more information here but it leaves a lasting impact on the entirety of the book.

So what do you say? Fascinating interwoven fiction or to touch some grass.

Re-Cycle me if old.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Is Thoth the Egyptian word for thot?

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Is Thoth the Egyptian word for thot?

Should be the same. Thoth, Thot, Tehut, Tahuti, Tahut.

 

[jason10mm]

I got your Yog-sloth-thot right here....

I'm trying to remember if Yog-sothoth was originally created by HPL or if he borrowed him from someone else. Helps to remember that HPL had only a loose sense of continuity and a lot of the "mythos" was hammered together after his death by August Derleth who DID love continuity and shared universes.

 

[MastAndo]

That Ho Over Thither?

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Well, the amount of answers ties in to my expectations. Just to bump this at least once.

We can also talk about waves of consciousness if that is not too intimidating for you.

 

[Robot Carnival]

isn't the Lovecraft one spell "Yog-Sothoth"? might just be a case of similar word/pronunciation kinda thing? and I imagine it's possible that Lovecraft himself or one of the writers after him might had heard of Yog-Sog-Thoth or read about it and decided to use it.

 

[Kraz]

Crowley mused something about souls transitioning to Venus from Earth, outer planets to inner. Took it as a revised sol centered neoplatonic emanation model with the Sun as a type of Empyrean window and way of heavenly return. Makes me wonder which came first.

In similar cosmological models I attribute the Empyrean fire to relic radiation making correspondences to consciousness, evolution, cycles and return, vastly different, but with some familiar sympathies repeating in different scales, including Earth's solar system.

Thoth has correspondences with Mercury which has correpondences with Prometheus which has correspondences with Lucifer...and so on cabalistically. New name like that a unique syncretic arrangement that taps established ideas to unformed ones to tell a different mythic story of similar qualities with changes in understanding. Can see the character types and make new sympathies. How true they are to reality is one thing to consider, but with that the story does open up the contemplation of how those ideas came to be and where they can go, and that might be the greater value.

 

[West Texas CEO]

Touch some grass, but I'm willing to listen.

 

[jason10mm]

Well, the amount of answers ties in to my expectations. Just to bump this at least once.

We can also talk about waves of consciousness if that is not too intimidating for you.

Consciousness having a collective, maybe a quantum (i.e. linking together without a [currently] detectable materialistic way), component is certainly a theory. Ideas seem to propagate through species in ways we don't understand (rats collectively 'learn' to avoid certain poisons, humans discover things around the same time even when not in contact), so the notion that there are 'waves of consciousness' that could emanate from one place and then imprint on susceptible beings elsewhere is intriguing. Is it an attack, a colonization, a trade, or a theft? Do species evolve to resist this property or to exploit it?

I'm loath to consider that there are receptors (or transmitters) of consciousness CURRENTLY on Mars or Venus, as both places seem very hostile to organic life as we know it and I'd think silicone, crystalloid, or plasma based intelligence would be so inimical to us that there could be no transfer. But it does suggest that when planets are closer together it creates an easier 'bridge' for exchange, perhaps in eons past this was more possible?

 

[Days like these...]

I got your Yog-sloth-thot right here....

I'm trying to remember if Yog-sothoth was originally created by HPL or if he borrowed him from someone else. Helps to remember that HPL had only a loose sense of continuity and a lot of the "mythos" was hammered together after his death by August Derleth who DID love continuity and shared universes.

Would not

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Crowley mused something about souls transitioning to Venus from Earth, outer planets to inner. Took it as a revised sol centered neoplatonic emanation model with the Sun as a type of Empyrean window and way of heavenly return. Makes me wonder which came first.

In similar cosmological models I attribute the Empyrean fire to relic radiation making correspondences to consciousness, evolution, cycles and return, vastly different, but with some familiar sympathies repeating in different scales, including Earth's solar system.

Thoth has correspondences with Mercury which has correpondences with Prometheus which has correspondences with Lucifer...and so on cabalistically. New name like that a unique syncretic arrangement that taps established ideas to unformed ones to tell a different mythic story of similar qualities with changes in understanding. Can see the character types and make new sympathies. How true they are to reality is one thing to consider, but with that the story does open up the contemplation of how those ideas came to be and where they can go, and that might be the greater value.

You put more thought into your post than i into my thread. I'm left with a lot of food for thought and an uncertainty as to how i could even reply.

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

I'm loath to consider that there are receptors (or transmitters) of consciousness CURRENTLY on Mars or Venus, as both places seem very hostile to organic life as we know it and I'd think silicone, crystalloid, or plasma based intelligence would be so inimical to us that there could be no transfer. But it does suggest that when planets are closer together it creates an easier 'bridge' for exchange, perhaps in eons past this was more possible?

The atmosphere of Venus could inherent liveforms. Granted they say extremophile organisms but still. But the examples you describe are only "hostile" in comparison to the organic. Analysing my existence brings me to consciousness as a base. Body and mind are only accumulations of matter and experience. Why shouldn't the consciousness be able to move on and inherent something formless.

 

[jason10mm]

The atmosphere of Venus could inherent liveforms. Granted they say extremophile organisms but still. But the examples you describe are only "hostile" in comparison to the organic. Analysing my existence brings me to consciousness as a base. Body and mind are only accumulations of matter and experience. Why shouldn't the consciousness be able to move on and inherent something formless.

Consciousness is presumably linked intrinsically to the organic base from which it is derived. Few people describe exchanging consciousness with whales, dolphins, pigs, dog, goats, snakes, or spiders, so I can only assume that even small deviations from a neural net can severely inhibit a mixing or transference of consciousness. Or the 'language' of understanding is so foreign we just see it as abstract concepts at best. So if we can't do this with intelligent beings on our OWN PLANET, how likely is it with truly alien minds, particularly non-organic ones? It would have to be a technological feat more than one inherent to all beings, I would think, just like how humans have to use tools to fly while birds do it naturally.

Another idea would be that a developing brain in an embryo or fetus (though some might argue that it takes several years in humans) somehow 'catches' consciousness from the ether/higher dimension/wherever in which case it would be that consciousness is more universal, only the vessel holding it differs. Be it cup, can, goblet, or fluted glass, the water inside is the same and is transferable.

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Consciousness is presumably linked intrinsically to the organic base from which it is derived. Few people describe exchanging consciousness with whales, dolphins, pigs, dog, goats, snakes, or spiders, so I can only assume that even small deviations from a neural net can severely inhibit a mixing or transference of consciousness. Or the 'language' of understanding is so foreign we just see it as abstract concepts at best. So if we can't do this with intelligent beings on our OWN PLANET, how likely is it with truly alien minds, particularly non-organic ones? It would have to be a technological feat more than one inherent to all beings, I would think, just like how humans have to use tools to fly while birds do it naturally.

Another idea would be that a developing brain in an embryo or fetus (though some might argue that it takes several years in humans) somehow 'catches' consciousness from the ether/higher dimension/wherever in which case it would be that consciousness is more universal, only the vessel holding it differs. Be it cup, can, goblet, or fluted glass, the water inside is the same and is transferable.

Presumably!

We still haven't understood our own body and its entire capabilities in a holistic way.

According to the teachings of Buddha Shuddhi you are able to dematerialize your body if you master the five elements within you. One would not go to such extends if it was mearly to inhabit something else. It is about becoming aware that you are actually not the body and the mind but just consciousness. So the consciousness will move to another dimensions. A different density.

I'm questioning the vessel or its necessity itself.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

I got your Yog-sloth-thot right here....

I'm trying to remember if Yog-sothoth was originally created by HPL or if he borrowed him from someone else. Helps to remember that HPL had only a loose sense of continuity and a lot of the "mythos" was hammered together after his death by August Derleth who DID love continuity and shared universes.

Man, the friction going in there is disturbing.

 

[RagnarokIV]

Hey GAF,

over the weekend i finished reading Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean by M. Doreal.

In there, Yog-Sog-Thoth is mentioned. I only knew this name from Lovecraft stories and was surprised to see it here. A google search didn't bring much up other than a Reddit post which leans into some sort of copyright claim. I found it weird that there is nothing written online about the connection of these gods cause in this book it gives a different layer to them. Or maybe i just haven't read enough of such stories to know.

That's why i made this thread, to ask for your insight in regards to the connection.

It reads:

In the last days of Atlantis, the great wave of consciousness that had once occupied the bodies of Earth's people went to Venus, and the consciousness that occupied the bodies of the masses came from Mars. This was more materialistic than the previous consciousness, and since they looked into the darkness instead of the light, Yog-Sog-Thoth opened the door to the underlying cycle. Some of the consciousnesses of the previous wave were attracted by material power and entered this plane. It was perhaps this part of their nature that had prevented them from moving on with their companions. The one who opens the gate to the cycle below must be a master, otherwise he would not be sufficiently balanced in his power to prevent those from below from rising up.

I did not read the english version so i made this translation. Maybe it's not perfect but should give you a hint as to what im refering to.

Thoth is bringer of knowledge and wisdom for humanity, aiding them on their journey to ascension. And Yog-Sog-Thoth is his opposite. Same in knowledge and wisdom but different in degree. Given the premise of the book itself, this brief glimpse gives a deeper meaning to both entities showing that, neglecting the path of ascension is an option in itself. Of course without judgment cause it's still tied to occult practices. Obviously the focus lies on Thoth and the path he lays out so we don't get much more information here but it leaves a lasting impact on the entirety of the book.

So what do you say? Fascinating interwoven fiction or to touch some grass.

Re-Cycle me if old.

Ahh yes. To sleep, perchance to dream. Hmm.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Every now and then I contemplate if Venus is our past and Mars is our future. A silly notion to most, but something about it rings true to me.

 

[The Stig]

Load of bollocks.

 

[Kraz]

You put more thought into your post than i into my thread. I'm left with a lot of food for thought and an uncertainty as to how i could even reply.

I was wondering where to go with it too. I'm collating some of these ideas for someone and it's on my mind.

Developing on mythic characters and pop culture from Grant Morrison type ideas of archetypes would overlap the forum and might work for more elaboration.
These mythic god archetypes as charactized compartments of natural philospophy are possibly universal and similar to life's experiences on other planets. Established and modified by the observations of organic life in co-development with these mythic beings(compartments of nature) from shared new understanding of discovery between mortals and them. In a hylozoic multidimensional universe of extended and collapsed spatial dimensions made up of the same matter/energy where thoughts can have an objective reality and permanance. The old forms of thought dissolve according the the properties of the thought dimensions since those forms are out of alignment with heaven(cosmos), they are 'evil' and demonic in this sense as misleading and damned. The soul, as a discrete collection of primal relationships in an early emergent dimension, hypothesized to have a vector that can be altered only by incarnation observing and interacting with matter/energy interdimensional sympathies. Meaning we're both made by and create these archetypal gods. Consciousness emerging from universal life(zoe) adapts to conditions all around.

The connection of cmbr to a character called the Scarlet Witch is fitting for its redshift and other qualities as an example of this living myth.