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[Angry_Megalodon]

She did not, no.

She was asked: "Is a little jank kind of a good thing?"
Her answer: "You got to accept a little jank to do something fun and creative I think ".

The whole 175(!) questions interview is like that. And that's all it takes to disingenuously generate fake drama these days.

As customers, we don't have to accept shit. If they can't deliver a flawless product, it's their fault. We all know that bugs happen, but the way it is worded it sounds like this is something we should accept without complaints, and that's some bullshit.

 

[recursive]

People are trying waaaaayyyy too fucking hard to hate on this game, and it's getting quite old by now.

Yea even the director of the game is too.

 

[Laptop1991]

The PR and marketing Obsidian is doing for Avowed recently has got to be the worst ever lol.

 

[acm2000]

ironic that the video maker himself looks like he was a DEI hire too

 

[TVexperto]

I'm not giving him a click, but the director said it would be broken at launch? Seems like an odd thing to say.

I don't like the art style of the game, but still. The Outer Worlds (from what I have played of it) was fine so why would this be any different?

Has the nobody watched the original video?!?​

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it fails to account for the context of when the dev said this. It was a casual rapid-fire interview. You can see it here. Question is around the 2:35 mark.​

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"Is a little jank a good thing?" The interviewer asked a general question​

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"You gotta accept a little jank to do something fun and creative" That was it and not related to avowed.​

 

[Ozriel]

And MS will still blame Sony as " having too big of hold for them to compete."

What a daft post.

we are not hating it enough, its an uninspired gamepass library filler

This game was greenlit well before MS bought Obsidian, and has had a significant development time.

As customers, we don't have to accept shit. If they can't deliver a flawless product, it's their fault. We all know that bugs happen, but the way it is worded it sounds like this is something we should accept without complaints, and that's some bullshit.

Then this hobby isn’t for you. Because there’s not a single game made in the past decade that is flawless.

 

[STARSBarry]

There is no such thing as a diversity hire. People try to interview a diverse panel of candidates. If any manager doesn't hire the best person they are fucking their own careers up. Why don't you DEI whiners understand this? If you interview 3 white dudes, 2 white girls, and this guy, you won't hire this guy just because he is brown, you hire the one that you think it going to make your job the easiest. Diversity Hiring is fucking fiction. It is diversity interviewing and that only occurs where possible.

I am confused by this too. What is her role? Director in a corporate setting just means manager of manager. Is the the overall game director? Or is she a director who is working on this game as a manager?

Personally I like some jank and I think this woman is correct. If the game isn't perfect because they are trying something new and get it 85% that is fine. This dude would fail as a project lead.

Was not really going to engage in this topic other than reading because I'm waiting on avowed reviews from youtubers I trust before I make a decision on this game or now.

But I just want to correct your thought process. You are 100% correct that DEI does not tend to happen at panel, hence why you have a panel.

No that's not where DEI happens, it happens before the panel during sift a minimum bar is set by HR, but we dont interview people who are at minimum, we interview exceptional candidates, UNLESS they fall under DEI then we interview at minumum mark for those candidates. HR then selects the candidates we get to interview on the panel. That's where the "ticking a box" for DEI comes from, it guarantees an interview as long as you pass minimum. Yes they might not pass the panel but it's easier to get the job from the 15 we interview than the 500 we get applications from when you just need to tick a box to do that.

 

[Fess]

Nothing new was said it’s just him doing a long instructon video on ”What is a narcissist?”

 

[kruis]

This is the question that should end the thread and people posting his videos. He hasn't made any games of note. The games he has made don't even get reviewed.

This is his company's website

https://www.sungrandstudios.com/

He's a review of a game he released, note the term janky being used, which is hilarious

This is all we need to know. This guy has never worked as a dev in a big studio, he's an amateur dev creating his own no budget games, but he pretends he's an expert on game design, character design, etc etc so he can harvest clicks for his videos.

 

[Ozriel]

Her surname is ‘Patel’, so of course he leads with the nonsense about her being a ‘diversity hire’ not realizing that comes from her husband.

Nowhere in the video does he even hint at anything sensible to back up his ‘diversity hire’ claims.

And OP brought this slop here. Seeing ‘game enthusiasts’ so eager to demarket games will never stop being jarring.

This is all we need to know. This guy has never worked as a dev in a big studio, he's an amateur dev creating his own no budget games, but he pretends he's an expert on game design, character design, etc etc so he can harvest clicks for his videos.

I’m starting to suspect some folks are being paid to promote certain grifters here.

 

[Zathalus]

Impressive, a 16 minute video to take a 3 second quote out of context and pretend like some of the best RPGs ever made had no jank.

 

[Radical_3d]

Avowed is going to be a disaster isn’t it

 

[Ceadeus]

Her three favorite games are Morrowind, Dishonored and Mass Effect.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

Dude is full of shit.

According to himself he is a game designer/director/concept artist/consultant/head of marketing/animator/modeler/programme -veteran.
And he knows everything of every everything basically.

I’m still pretty sure he is just playing a character.

It's been a thing in music for a while now. "Pro Musician" tells you why Jimi Hendrix was akschully totally overrated and was the worst thing ever. "Opera singer" reacts to vocalists on classic albums and tears them down. And so on.

 

[Unknown?]

What game has this guy made?

Grifter 2: Jank Wars

 

[Black_Stride]

This is all we need to know. This guy has never worked as a dev in a big studio, he's an amateur dev creating his own no budget games, but he pretends he's an expert on game design, character design, etc etc so he can harvest clicks for his videos.

Her surname is ‘Patel’, so of course he leads with the nonsense about her being a ‘diversity hire’ not realizing that comes from her husband.

Nowhere in the video does he even hint at anything sensible to back up his ‘diversity hire’ claims.

And OP brought this slop here. Seeing ‘game enthusiasts’ so eager to demarket games will never stop being jarring.




I’m starting to suspect some folks are being paid to promote certain grifters here.

Its gotta be.
How else do people even find all these grifters.

Their Youtube algorithm is either completely fucked cuz no way someone who claims to like games would be following grifters who perpetually talk about how shit games are.
Or
They are getting paid to promote this shit.

 

[bbeach123]

I dont like this dude since the first video about concord . But at the same time I like watching these game fail . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Sebastian1295]

I think the game looks good and i don't need some dweeb in a ridiculous suit with a pokemon cup to tell me otherwise.

 

[Ceadeus]

Has the nobody watched the original video?!?​

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it fails to account for the context of when the dev said this. It was a casual rapid-fire interview. You can see it here. Question is around the 2:35 mark.​

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"Is a little jank a good thing?" The interviewer asked a general question​

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"You gotta accept a little jank to do something fun and creative" That was it and not related to avowed.​

Exactly! Some people in here man....

Enraged, ready to jump on anyone and everything. The negativity has been at its peak on here for a while.

 

[Radical_3d]

Imagine put in perspective the competence needed to direct something using as an example Todd The-Incompetence-Itself Howard.

 

[Puscifer]

I love how this guy pretends as if Avowed doesn't have a production director or other writers haven't directed games... some of the biggest games ever like Grand Theft Auto...directed by people with zero programming experience... You do not need to be a programmer to be a game director you "simply" need to have vision and management skills.

People will say anything for clicks.

100%

Said it before and I'll say it again, my entire job is management. Do I know routing and switching? Yep. As good as the people I managed that rebuilt an entire network after a flood in month long period? Hell no! But I sure as hell kept the project going till it was completed.


Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are perfect examples of what people "expect."

Steve Jobs had vision and management experience and there's a story about him chewing into programmers asking why X didn't do Y.

Bill Gates is an engineer, he's straight up contributed to the Windows kernel plenty of times but he also came with management and vision.

There's room for both

 

[BosmerCulter]

He claims she's a "DEI hire" but she worked at Obsidian for 10 years and held progressively more senior roles in their games (starting as a narrative designer on Pillars of Eternity, then promoted to co-narrative lead on Pillars II alongside Josh Sawyer, then leading one of TOW's DLCs as a director). This seems like a pretty natural career path and one of the most logical choices among the Obsidian team to lead the next game in the same universe as Pillars (the other logical choice would have been Sawyer since he literally created it but was too busy bitching about Pillars 2 being a flop and doing personal "art" projects like Pentiment)

She doesn't seem like some random girl who's never worked at the studio or on an RPG before and even never wrote anything in her life, that was given a big project for some obscure reason and could totally be considered a DEI hire (*cough* Corinne Busch *cough*)

Maybe the game is gonna suck but women leading games not instantly meaning DEI-hire, while it also can totally be (Veilguard)

 

[Shtof]

"Game developer". Getting real tired of seeing this dude on GAF, if people want to see him they can go to his Youtube channel.

 

[Kacho]

What game has this guy made?

He wears a suit!

 

[Black_Stride]

I dont like this dude since the first video about concord . But at the same time I like watching these game fail . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why would you like seeing a game like Avowed fail.
Concord its understandable.....that was derivative and uninspired, realistically almost 10 years too late as well.
But Pillars is a fan favorite universe and getting more games in that universe should be celebrated.
I dont even know what Avowed has done to garner so much hate?

Care to explain what your beef is with Avowed?

 

[Bradamante3D]

"The Game Director, Carrie Patel openly discusses their game will be broken and have "jank" at launch."

Uuuhh how exactly is this problematic? It's just an honest statement about launch quality. Even games that are commonly described by gamers as relatively problem free releases, have "jank" in them if you look hard enough. Actually, you want more game directory to be honest like this.

 

[nemiroff]

As customers, we don't have to accept shit. If they can't deliver a flawless product, it's their fault. We all know that bugs happen, but the way it is worded it sounds like this is something we should accept without complaints, and that's some bullshit.

The point wasn't to deny people from complaining about bugs. The point is that to come to that kind of absolutist conclusion from such a light hearted exchange is stupid and disingenuous.

 

[Buggy Loop]

His games

Sit the fuck down with higher than thou lessons. As if those games don't look janky as fuck.

Like I said in the other thread

KCD 1 & 2 - Jank
Gothic / Risen - Jank
STALKER - Jank

The eurojank trifecta I would say even

Witcher 3 - Jank
Elden ring - Jank
Mass Effect - Jank
KOTOR - Massive jank
Alpha protocol - Jank
Monster Hunter - LOL jank
Vampire the Masquerade - Definition of jank, fixed by ton of mods

The context of the interview
"is a little jank kind of a good thing?" "You gotta accept a little jank to do something fun and creative"

→ GAME IS BROKEN AS FUCK

Cmon son

Trying too hard. Just like KCD 2 grift.

These peoples are morons

 

[Chuck Berry]

I don't know who this dude is, but he looks like a douche and I refuse to watch.

 

[T_T]

Looking at some of his other videos, he also titles himself a "pro character designer" among other things.

Not that jank is excusable, but I'm not sure what credibility some indie shovelware developer who obviously thinks a little too much of himself has into giving anyone "industry lessons", or insight into managing a project of any considerable size.

There is money to be made with pandering to certain demographics

 

[Buggy Loop]

Has the nobody watched the original video?!?​

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it fails to account for the context of when the dev said this. It was a casual rapid-fire interview. You can see it here. Question is around the 2:35 mark.​

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"Is a little jank a good thing?" The interviewer asked a general question​

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"You gotta accept a little jank to do something fun and creative" That was it and not related to avowed.​

OMG TVexperto

We agree on something

 

[RoboFu]

What a daft post.

Nope this is a daft post. What I said has been said many times by MS.