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Game Director Faceoff: Hideki Kamiya vs Shinji MIkami
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And thus mikami wins
At the rate things are going, he may just do that. Lotta Mikami supports coming out the woodwork up in here.
eighty(one)
Member
Mikami is the better if the two, at least, to me.
Mikami created Resident Evil and perfected the original formula, with REmake. He reinvented that series and the TPS genre with Resident Evil 4, which can be seen as influence for Gears of War and many other series's. Mikami then took that genre into the stratosphere with Vanquish, which merged TPS and Shmups into perfect harmonious action.
While Kamiya has had many highs (Devil May Cry, Viewtfiful Joe, Bayonetta and Okami); he owes his success to being Mikami's protégé and I feel he has yet to top his mentor's perfection.
They both have some of the strongest and most creative output, but Mikami hits higher sustained highs than Kamiya.
Both The Evil Within and Wonderful 101 are brilliant, but flawed. If they reunite and work together again....
Mikami created Resident Evil and perfected the original formula, with REmake. He reinvented that series and the TPS genre with Resident Evil 4, which can be seen as influence for Gears of War and many other series's. Mikami then took that genre into the stratosphere with Vanquish, which merged TPS and Shmups into perfect harmonious action.
While Kamiya has had many highs (Devil May Cry, Viewtfiful Joe, Bayonetta and Okami); he owes his success to being Mikami's protégé and I feel he has yet to top his mentor's perfection.
They both have some of the strongest and most creative output, but Mikami hits higher sustained highs than Kamiya.
Both The Evil Within and Wonderful 101 are brilliant, but flawed. If they reunite and work together again....
DidntKnowJack
Member
Neither one of them makes games I give a shit about anymore, so neither. Mikami gets a nod for creating RE, though.
SlaughterX
Banned
Well I like RE2 more than 1 and Bayonetta more than Vanquish, so I am gonna have to go with Kamiya but they both are awesome, they should collaborate more.
If by responsible, you mean he directed it, then yes.
If you mean responsible for the change from that version to what we got, then no, that wasn't his call. Capcom higher-ups weren't happy with the original direction of the game and pressured Kamiya and Mikami to change it.
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DidntKnowJack
Member
wut
Uh. I don't know. I like them in theory, they do some really interesting things, but I'm not in love with them or anything. I don't understand how that relates.
Neff
Member
Actually it was Mikami who requested that they start over. Mikami pretty much left Kamiya and his team to it, but when he tried the prototype, wasn't happy with how it had turned out. Unfortunately there was no way of fixing the game since so much work had been done, and the team agreed that the game just wasn't coming together in a satisfactory way, at least not one which did justice to the original game, which of course was a big hit. Capcom management, recognising the opportunity to establish consistent quality in a potentially important franchise, agreed to Mikami's request. They turned the game around in record time in addition to improving it vastly.
He did say that, but there have been post-TEW interviews where he's hinted that he may direct again, because he found TEW a pleasurable and relatively stress-free process.
edit: Oh, and because of Bethesda lol.
1) It's called 'Director's Hazard' and is indeed very interesting. You can find it in Youtube with subs.
2) I know the same. I hope it's either false or he changed his mind, cause it would suck.
Edit: and i hope Neff is right
PARTYNEXTDOOR
Banned
RE4 >>>>> Anything Kamiya has done or will do.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Asking which one is better is really difficult as they're both great. But if you're asking me to put just about anyone up against the guy who made Resident Evil, I'm going to side with the guy who made Resident Evil.
I'm hoping every thread I do this with is going to cause the same discomfort for people. I'm going to be tracking how many people it was too close to decide for when I tally the votes, because that'll be a fun statistic.
PARTYNEXTDOOR
Banned
Ueda up next?
Professor Renegade
Banned
Based Kamiya
GKSilKamina
Member
Super difficult choice. Mikami gave me God Hand. He'll always have my love for just that one game.
But I like more of Kamiya's games than Mikami's. And also Kamiya provides endless entertainment on Twitter for free!
Guess my vote goes to Kamiya.
But I like more of Kamiya's games than Mikami's. And also Kamiya provides endless entertainment on Twitter for free!
Guess my vote goes to Kamiya.
Please don't hate me, Mikami-san. I still <3 you.
Those who can't do, teach.
RE4 is actually my favourite game of the lot, but Kamiya is definitely more talented.
I don't want to post on a message board where people think Kojima is a better game director than Shinji Mikami.
I was planning to make whoever wins this one go up against Hideaki Itsuno, to really round out the Capcom/former Capcom talent pool. He's got a pretty strong string of releases, arguably as strong as Kamiya's or Mikami's.
I think you started too strong. Whoever wins this isn't going to lose, probably ever. Miyamoto is pretty much the only roadblock.
Ah, the Master vs. his Apprentice.
I think Mikami has had higher highs (RE4 being the best game between the catalogs of both directors), but Kamiya is more consistent in terms of output and quality.
I think Kamiya could improve his games with better pacing, a smoother learning curve, and less filler minigames/genre shifts that distract from the core gameplay.
If he were to do that and really focus on what he does best, while better communicating the nuances of gameplay to the player, he could handily exceed his teacher.
I think Mikami has had higher highs (RE4 being the best game between the catalogs of both directors), but Kamiya is more consistent in terms of output and quality.
I think Kamiya could improve his games with better pacing, a smoother learning curve, and less filler minigames/genre shifts that distract from the core gameplay.
If he were to do that and really focus on what he does best, while better communicating the nuances of gameplay to the player, he could handily exceed his teacher.
GlassEmpires
Member
Only to dodge it by a hair, activate Witch Time and save him without injuring yourself
bobawesome
Member
That's more than enough for me!
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Mikami because RE4. Fuck yes, I'd vote for him anyday. I have played 12 times through the whole game. Also givin some love to TEW bc I've had more positive experiences with it.
Goddamn, now this is a Sophie's choice.
While RE4, Vanquish, and God Hand are some of my favorite games of all time, I'd have to say that I prefer Kamiya just slightly. Okami, Bayonetta, and W101 are just too good.
Kamiya makes some really weird decisions in his games though, namely really bad minigames.
Honestly, it's way too close to call.
While RE4, Vanquish, and God Hand are some of my favorite games of all time, I'd have to say that I prefer Kamiya just slightly. Okami, Bayonetta, and W101 are just too good.
Kamiya makes some really weird decisions in his games though, namely really bad minigames.
Honestly, it's way too close to call.
Randomizer
Member
I can't choose. Even though Kamiya is much more consistent, Mikami did direct Resident Evil 4.
Nah. I'm sure it'll be close for a few other directors. Sakaguchi, for example.
wait, no, fuck
lemme rationalize this
Mikami did RE4, my favorite game overall from both
but Kamiya did TW101 and Bayo 1, some of my fave games too
okay so that's 2 > 1
it's fucking math; 2 is a bigger number than 1
okay I'm gonna edit that other post. don't worry OP, this is the last time I change my vote lols
I vote for Kami-chan
lemme rationalize this
Mikami did RE4, my favorite game overall from both
but Kamiya did TW101 and Bayo 1, some of my fave games too
okay so that's 2 > 1
it's fucking math; 2 is a bigger number than 1
okay I'm gonna edit that other post. don't worry OP, this is the last time I change my vote lols
I vote for Kami-chan
Shadow_FFVI
Member
It´s Shinji Mikami for me as well.
The first Resident Evil, REmake and Resident Evil 4...
yep, my vote goes to Mikami.
The first Resident Evil, REmake and Resident Evil 4...
yep, my vote goes to Mikami.
thequickandthedead
Member
Why did Mikami ditch his friends at Platinum btw?
No chance. Most people think 6 was the best, and he didn't direct again until The Last Story, which no one played.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
Didn´t he write the stories?
theprodigy
Member
Sakurai, Miyamoto, any Naughty Dog person
nah there's definitely plenty of people to trip the winner up
Kind of, some of them. But it's a 'game director faceoff', so it doesn't matter.
Naughty Dog? No, Rubin has no chance, nor does Hennig. Maybe if this goes on till UC4 is out, Straley will have done UC2/TLoU/UC4, but he still wouldn't beat either of these two.
EDIT: I don't want to derail with this stuff. We'll see when the time comes I guess.
Canis lupus
Member
The mentor, obviously.
Magnet_Man
Member
Kamiya. Not even a question to me.
Nothing against Mikami but Kamiya's games always have so much energy and personality to them. They're absurdly satisfying to play.
Nothing against Mikami but Kamiya's games always have so much energy and personality to them. They're absurdly satisfying to play.
Shadow Hog
Member
Can we just fuse them into one über-director, "Mikamiya"
Shadow_FFVI
Member
Wait till the powerhouse that is David Cage enters the fray...
Seriously though. I will take more into account than just directing roles when it pertains to Sakaguchi. Such a valuable asset to the company throughout those years.
Also, the number of games isn´t of my concern either. Fumito Ueda is above these two, personally. Shadow of the Colossus and Ico are both in my top 5 games of all time. That is hard to beat in my mind. Add to that, The Last Guardian if it releases before this contest is over...
Seriously though. I will take more into account than just directing roles when it pertains to Sakaguchi. Such a valuable asset to the company throughout those years.
Also, the number of games isn´t of my concern either. Fumito Ueda is above these two, personally. Shadow of the Colossus and Ico are both in my top 5 games of all time. That is hard to beat in my mind. Add to that, The Last Guardian if it releases before this contest is over...