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Got laid off today AMA

That sucks man. Getting laid off is the worst, especially if you have medical issues on top of that. Best of luck to you in the search and hope you land something good.
Thanks I might sue if a lawyer thinks I have a good case shopping it around. Glad I got at least 15 weeks of severance but went back to HR to ask for more given the suspect timing a jury could find retaliatory.
 

DKehoe

Member
Sorry to hear that. By getting sober and working on your mental health it sounds like you’ve been doing a lot to get yourself in a great place, so I hope you don’t view this as too much of a setback. Sometimes life is two steps forward and one step back. Hopefully you find something new soon. Get a bunch of applications out there and power through it.
 
Sorry to hear that. By getting sober and working on your mental health it sounds like you’ve been doing a lot to get yourself in a great place, so I hope you don’t view this as too much of a setback. Sometimes life is two steps forward and one step back. Hopefully you find something new soon. Get a bunch of applications out there and power through it.
Thanks on the bright side I suppose I could fill part of my days creeping around Table Top Game stores and awkwardly asking to join D&D games in progress 😂
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Don’t drink, use whatever severance you’re getting to chill and job hunt.

But whatever you do, don’t drink.
Fuuuuk that, don't listen to this man, you deserve an almighty bender, you've no work, go crazy, day drinking, book some mad excursions blow that severance getting wasted and seeing/doing new shit before you get back on the treadmill of 9-5 doom, just ask yourself what would bender do?

make it rain futurama GIF
 

Hudo

Gold Member
If you have skills as a software engineer or computer scientist, don't waste them by working for a FAANG or similarly big/structured software company. It's not worth it. You get good pay and, most importantly, sane hours* (often really 9 to 5) if you look for positions at mid-sized companies, banks, software departments at engineering companies or biotech companies, i.e. companies that don't "directly do" software. Those companies also have pretty interesting problems to solve without the retardation of Silicon Valley.

*There are, of course, occasional bouts of crunch. But far less frequent and far less brutal than in your typical FAANG company.
 
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John Bilbo

Member
I wanted to make a joke about getting laid but fuck man best of luck and take good care of yourself. Maybe do some excercising to blow off the steam?
 

TDiddyLive

Member
What was their excuse they had for letting you go? Were more people let go, and if yes, how many?
 
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DKehoe

Member
Thanks on the bright side I suppose I could fill part of my days creeping around Table Top Game stores and awkwardly asking to join D&D games in progress 😂
D&D can be a great way to keep yourself occupied! I think I mentioned to you before but check the social media pages of local RPG stores for games they might have and the LFG subreddit can also be a way to find games.

You’re going to have a bunch more free time so picking up a new hobby, learning a new skill or just something like going for more walks can be a positive way to use that time.
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
Big tech feel like shit why did I get sober again? I might sue because I just got back from mental health hospitalization and am still on a doctor approved reduced work schedule. Oh well time to polish off the resume and file for unemployment? Fuck
Reading this makes me think you would be a nightmare to employ. Good luck with the job hunt sorry you lost your job.

Don’t mention the medical stuff in the job interview.
 
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Draugoth

Gold Member
I have been dealing with an infection over the past 6 months and have been on medical leave since, you only understand people struggles once you get sick too.

Sue, considering your skills i dont think you will have a problem getting another job.
 

clarky

Gold Member
Big tech feel like shit why did I get sober again? I might sue because I just got back from mental health hospitalization and am still on a doctor approved reduced work schedule. Oh well time to polish off the resume and file for unemployment? Fuck
What reason did they give for giving you the boot?
 

MikeM

Member
I have been dealing with an infection over the past 6 months and have been on medical leave since, you only understand people struggles once you get sick too.

Sue, considering your skills i dont think you will have a problem getting another job.
Thats a society wide problem.
 

Durien

Member
Rock on with a job placement agency, they're incentivised to get you hired. Take it easy on yourself and best of luck mate.
So they are incentivised to get you hired and take like 1/2 of what you would make. Sorry, I've dealt with these leeches for far too long. I agree with the info look for a medium company because between AI and outsourcing, large companies are pretty risky.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Rock on with a job placement agency, they're incentivised to get you hired. Take it easy on yourself and best of luck mate.
So they are incentivised to get you hired and take like 1/2 of what you would make. Sorry, I've dealt with these leeches for far too long. I agree with the info look for a medium company because between AI and outsourcing, large companies are pretty risky.
If it's a low end hourly job, it may work like that.

But if it's a decent salaried job, a recruiter will get paid a % of the first year salary as a flat fee and thats it. The person getting the job doesnt get gimped salary either. They get paid what they are supposed to.

As for the OP, I'd work with the employer at an amicable resolution. DO NOT go guns a blazing showing them a lawyer's notice. Once that happens, it's legal team vs legal team and dont forget you'll have to pay your lawyer. You should be able to ballpark how much severance someone in your situation gets and compare.

In my job, industry and tenure, a ballpark pay out is 1 month per year of service. If i got let go and got offered something similar, that's a good deal and not worth the legal hassle.
 
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So they are incentivised to get you hired and take like 1/2 of what you would make. Sorry, I've dealt with these leeches for far too long. I agree with the info look for a medium company because between AI and outsourcing, large companies are pretty risky.
Typically recruitment agencies do not get anything like 50%, if you or an employer got taken that badly it's certainly an outlier case.
 

clarky

Gold Member
If it's a low end hourly job, it may work like that.

But if it's a decent salaried job, a recruiter will get paid a % of the first year salary as a flat fee and thats it. The person getting the job doesnt get gimped salary either. They get paid what they are supposed to.

As for the OP, I'd work with the employer at an amicable resolution. DO NOT go guns a blazing showing them a lawyer's notice. Once that happens, it's legal team vs legal team and dont forget you'll have to pay your lawyer. You should be able to ballpark how much severance someone in your situation gets and compare.

In my job, industry and tenure, a ballpark pay out is 1 month per year of service. If i got let go and got offered something similar, that's a good deal and not worth the legal hassle.
Fuck it I'll say it. The OP sounds fucking unemployable. Drink issues, Mental issues then threatening to sue?

Can't see why they'd let you go. Get a grip and deal with your shit.
 
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Durien

Member
Typically recruitment agencies do not get anything like 50%, if you or an employer got taken that badly it's certainly an outlier case.
Here in the great northwest, you are looking at taking a 30% - 50% cut and tend to be the first to go when they make cuts. With the way the big tech companies are laying off, looking for something with a smaller company would be a lot more beneficial. I have worked with them on both sides, hiring and being hired.
 

GHG

Gold Member
So they are incentivised to get you hired and take like 1/2 of what you would make. Sorry, I've dealt with these leeches for far too long. I agree with the info look for a medium company because between AI and outsourcing, large companies are pretty risky.

It's nowhere near half.

Dependant on the sector they typically get anywhere from around 10-25% of the first year's annual salary as the fee.

Source: I used to work in the industry and have many close contacts who still do.
 

Durien

Member
It's nowhere near half.

Dependant on the sector they typically get anywhere from around 10-25% of the first year's annual salary as the fee.

Source: I used to work in the industry and have many close contacts who still do.
We can agree to disagree on this one. I was in the industry for almost 25 years. Both doing the hiring and getting hired.I do know that one contract i did for a couple of years they made almost nothing from me as they needed my knowledge specifically and I was coming back after taking a break for health issues. There are several agencies who cover the industry in this area and for a couple of years now it has been a bidding war with contracts. Who can go the cheapest or outsource the most. I have been out of the industry now for about 3 years so it is possible that things have changed in that time. I do know, since I have a ton of contacts across multiple corporations as well as still watch tech news, layoffs continue to happen, some agencies are losing both cred and people for being too greedy and instead of outsourcing to India, there is a push to outsource to mexico.
I would much rather take my chances getting a full time gig with a small to mid size company than try to strike it rich with a large corp. However, as I mentioned, I decided to leave the industry to return back to school. My wife is still in the industry though and a bunch of my close friends are as well. (All FTE) LOL one was an FTE, got laid off, and has been travelling around the world for the last couple of years.
 

GHG

Gold Member
We can agree to disagree on this one. I was in the industry for almost 25 years. Both doing the hiring and getting hired.I do know that one contract i did for a couple of years they made almost nothing from me as they needed my knowledge specifically and I was coming back after taking a break for health issues. There are several agencies who cover the industry in this area and for a couple of years now it has been a bidding war with contracts. Who can go the cheapest or outsource the most. I have been out of the industry now for about 3 years so it is possible that things have changed in that time. I do know, since I have a ton of contacts across multiple corporations as well as still watch tech news, layoffs continue to happen, some agencies are losing both cred and people for being too greedy and instead of outsourcing to India, there is a push to outsource to mexico.
I would much rather take my chances getting a full time gig with a small to mid size company than try to strike it rich with a large corp. However, as I mentioned, I decided to leave the industry to return back to school. My wife is still in the industry though and a bunch of my close friends are as well. (All FTE) LOL one was an FTE, got laid off, and has been travelling around the world for the last couple of years.

It's not about agreeing to disagree on anything. What I stated is the going rate for permanent hires.

The bidding wars have been around for as long as the industry has existed and it's the reason why there has been significant downward pressure on rates, to the point where some recruitment agencies will be willing to stoop as low as 8% in some circumstances.
 

DAHGAMING

Gold Member
Look after yourself, take your mind out of the sitiation and look at it from the outside and you will see its not so bad. You will get another job and fuck that last place, use this time to work on yourself, do not drink, do some extra exersice instead and if you can take yourself to see abit of nature. Youl be sorted soon enough.
 

Durien

Member
It's not about agreeing to disagree on anything. What I stated is the going rate for permanent hires.

The bidding wars have been around for as long as the industry has existed and it's the reason why there has been significant downward pressure on rates, to the point where some recruitment agencies will be willing to stoop as low as 8% in some circumstances.
That's the key "permanent hires." The problem with the area around here (Seattle/Eastside) is that there is a rarity to go from temp to permanent hire. In the early 90s to the early 2k it was "the way" to get your foot in the door. Do a temp contract in PSS or CSS, testing, or IT. Bust your butt and get hired. It is no where as easy anymore, they either layoff people and hire them back as temps, hire people as permatemps, or just plain outsource it to India or Mexico leaving behind one fte or permatemp to manage the outsourced work. When you are hired into a permatemp position, you do all the work for the company you normally would do as an FTE with all the benefits since your benefits fall under the agency who put your butt in the seat. Stock? nope. medical? "maybe" and even then it's bare minimum, some do offer 401k plans. The thing is, we have a supply and demand problem here and it gets worse with each graduating class of cs majors and what seems to be a never ending supply of h1b's all of this impacts large corporations and you might not see this sort of thing at a small to mid size company. I would also guess that a small to.midsize company would have a decreased impact on the mental health of the OP compared to the crunch modes of bigger companies.
 

John Marston

GAF's very own treasure goblin
Fuck it I'll say it. The OP sounds fucking unemployable.
We had a guy at my workplace who had a rare blood disease which made him miss work a lot.
He was a great guy and a good worker but would only show up maximum 3 days in a week.
It took HR a good year to accumulate enough info and eventually fire him.

As an employee you have to fufill your end of the contract and show up.
Bottom line is he just wasn't there half the time.

Also this reflex of suing everyone is a disease.
 

Dacvak

No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
I thought for sure this was gonna be about government layoffs. I know a bunch of people who’ve already lost their jobs. (I live in the DC area.)
 

Idleyes

Gold Member
Big tech feel like shit why did I get sober again? I might sue because I just got back from mental health hospitalization and am still on a doctor approved reduced work schedule. Oh well time to polish off the resume and file for unemployment? Fuck

Joking aside, here's some good news: these days, you barely have to lift a finger to write your resume, just let AI do it for you. And, of course, don't forget to tell it to... stretch the truth a little. After all, a resume without embellishments is like a pizza with pineapple toppings. Technically edible, but why?
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
Thanks I might sue if a lawyer thinks I have a good case shopping it around. Glad I got at least 15 weeks of severance but went back to HR to ask for more given the suspect timing a jury could find retaliatory.
Usually getting the severance package entails signing away your ability to sue. Best of luck.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
We had a guy at my workplace who had a rare blood disease which made him miss work a lot.
He was a great guy and a good worker but would only show up maximum 3 days in a week.
It took HR a good year to accumulate enough info and eventually fire him.

As an employee you have to fufill your end of the contract and show up.
Bottom line is he just wasn't there half the time.

Also this reflex of suing everyone is a disease.
One guy at my work was a drunk. People in his department told myself and others he'd show up to afternoon meetings slurring his speech. So the guy must had been boozing in the morning or lunch.

He went on leave for around a year. Guy disappeared. Then news spread he was coming back to work. On his first day back, my company fired him.

He was a nice guy and all. But was a pain in the ass for their department as his work had to be spread around to other people, and then the company had to hire a contract worker to fill his seat. Fired him and then offered the contract worker a FT role. I think there was a legal issue where the contract guy couldnt be hired FT because it would look like the company is replacing him while he was off. So they waited.

But good to see the new guy stick around and get offered FT. Really good guy, does better work than the old guy who I'd deal with them occasionally, and he stuck around. It would suck if he left and found a different job.
 
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