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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Years upon years for dvd to overtake vhs ? I'd say it took 3 to match and 5 to demolish. I'm just using the videostore shelf as an example here though. 2001 dvd and vhs had pretty well equal shelf space but by 2002 VHS was getting pushed aside near the bottom with only 10 copies compared to dvd's 50+ and in 2003 the vhs rentals were almost nonexistent, it became hard to even find them in stores to buy them unless it was older stuff.
I don't see HDDVD lasting more then 2 more years before you see it's releases dwindle, even with much cheaper players , generally most people are under the impression that dvd hooked up through oldschool RCA jacks on their 1080p capable brand new television all upscaled and looking crappy is the best they'll get for picture quality. This is going to remain a battle for sales amongst a small hardcore enthusiast group and only after those enthusiasts pretty well go bluray by buying a ps3 or some eventually cheaper BRD player well a winner of this war be decided and the casual market for this stuff follow. It'll be 2010 before bluray really starts to take off though and it's sales will never catch up with or exceed those of DVD.
I don't see HDDVD lasting more then 2 more years before you see it's releases dwindle, even with much cheaper players , generally most people are under the impression that dvd hooked up through oldschool RCA jacks on their 1080p capable brand new television all upscaled and looking crappy is the best they'll get for picture quality. This is going to remain a battle for sales amongst a small hardcore enthusiast group and only after those enthusiasts pretty well go bluray by buying a ps3 or some eventually cheaper BRD player well a winner of this war be decided and the casual market for this stuff follow. It'll be 2010 before bluray really starts to take off though and it's sales will never catch up with or exceed those of DVD.
DarkJediKnight
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I think had either format was able to devise a disc that worked like games, for example, if you have a HDtv, you can view it in HD, if you have a standard tv, your game will display in 480.
This is how the new optical discs should have been. No stupid flipper combo discs without labels. A 1080p movie that when you put it in a regular DVD player plays it in standard def. That way you can just phase out regular DVDs and introduce Blu-ray/HD DVD etc...
This is how the new optical discs should have been. No stupid flipper combo discs without labels. A 1080p movie that when you put it in a regular DVD player plays it in standard def. That way you can just phase out regular DVDs and introduce Blu-ray/HD DVD etc...
Here's a real question, do Blu-ray/HD-DVD even have to takeover DVD or even do similar numbers?
I mean pretend Blu-ray/HD-DVD sales just sorta straight-lined at this point. Sure it'd be niche, but as long as all the studios are releasing all their films on the formats...who cares if it's niche?
I mean pretend Blu-ray/HD-DVD sales just sorta straight-lined at this point. Sure it'd be niche, but as long as all the studios are releasing all their films on the formats...who cares if it's niche?
Well, DVDE's chart is more to-the-point. But if you want to look at Amazon, the current chart shows Blu-Ray with 6 of the top 10, including number 1.Cheebs said:
And a lot of people use DVD Empire, for the record. They're one of the biggest online retailers in the country.
Alcibiades
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Some HD DVDs in Japan have already been released that have HD DVD & DVD on a single side. They are known as TWIN format discs (as opposed to COMBO)DarkJediKnight said:
There are a few reasons US studios aren't using them though. I think right now they are limited to 15 GB HD DVD and 4.5 GB DVD though (dual-layer). Once the DVD forum approves triple layer though, they should be able to do 30 gig HD DVD/4.5 gig DVD discs. Or they could do 15 gig HD DVD/9 gig DVD. Of course the benifit of these is that they are on the same side and you can have disc art. The limitations on capacity are one reason studios aren't using them.
The other reason is that DVD manufactoring lines were already used to doing dual-sided "flipper" discs. I know some MGM and Warner DVDs used them. Universal also did this with Conan the Barbarian/Conan the Destroyer gift set. It's not hard to convert these to HD DVD combo discs. One last reason is because the DVD part of TWIN discs have potential problems playing on some DVD players.
I wish they would do TWIN discs in the US once they approve dual-layer and use the 4.5 DVD section for movie only (no special features) even if the quality isn't as good as can be. I just want the flexibility of watching my movie wherever and not being limited to using it only on an HD DVD player.
Blu-ray extending its lead
DVDEmpire:
Weekly sale: Blu-ray 65.46% VS HD-DVD 34.54%
Monthly sale: Blu-ray 59.42% VS HD-DVD 40.58%
Amazon.com hourly updated sales
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx
....and with alot more blu-ray releases in the next 2 months
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
...and PS3 release in March in Europe (coincide with Casino Royale blu-ray March release, plus Spiderman and Pirates of the Caribbean in May), blu-ray momentum is just unstoppable
DVDEmpire:
Weekly sale: Blu-ray 65.46% VS HD-DVD 34.54%
Monthly sale: Blu-ray 59.42% VS HD-DVD 40.58%
Amazon.com hourly updated sales
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx
....and with alot more blu-ray releases in the next 2 months
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
...and PS3 release in March in Europe (coincide with Casino Royale blu-ray March release, plus Spiderman and Pirates of the Caribbean in May), blu-ray momentum is just unstoppable
mckmas8808
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So when will the DVD forum allow the Blu-ray group to use DVD and BD on the same disc?
Alcibiades
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as long as the disc meets certain specs, I think this is already allowed...mckmas8808 said:
If they really wanted to, they could probably do either single-sided or double-sided hybrids, but manufacturing costs are probably preventing them from being a reality for now... some Sony insider on AVSforum was gonna check on the status of hybrid development and get back word next week...
either way, the DVD Forum isn't preventing hybrid Blu-ray/DVD discs.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Here is the deal....
Look the current Universal releases on DVD. If the title was from 1994 to last September and was released on home video by Dreamworks, then it is now currently owned by Soros (purchased from Paramount), and will be distributed by Paramount.
Let take a few examples:
1.)While Seabiscuit was co-financed by Universal and Dreamworks, Universal owned the home video rights (in the USA), and that is why it is currently on HD DVD...because Universal owns the rights.
2.)While Gladiator was co-financed by Dreamworks and Universal, Dreamworks Home Entertainment had domestic video rights (previously distributed through Universal). These rights were sold to Paramount (who bought Dreamworks), and then Paramount subsequently spun of the home video rights to Soros. Paramount will still distribute on behalf of Soros.
3.)While Road to Perdition was co-financed by Dreamworks and 20th Century Fox, Dreamworks Home Entertainment had the domestic video rights. The movie was released by Dreamworks (and distributed by Universal). These rights were sold to Paramount (who bought Dreamworks), and then Paramount subsequently spun of the home video rights to Soros. Paramount will still distribute on behalf of Soros.
So in the case of Gladiator, it should arrive both on HD-DVD and Blu-ray (hopefully in VC1 and not MPEG2) via Paramount
Look the current Universal releases on DVD. If the title was from 1994 to last September and was released on home video by Dreamworks, then it is now currently owned by Soros (purchased from Paramount), and will be distributed by Paramount.
Let take a few examples:
1.)While Seabiscuit was co-financed by Universal and Dreamworks, Universal owned the home video rights (in the USA), and that is why it is currently on HD DVD...because Universal owns the rights.
2.)While Gladiator was co-financed by Dreamworks and Universal, Dreamworks Home Entertainment had domestic video rights (previously distributed through Universal). These rights were sold to Paramount (who bought Dreamworks), and then Paramount subsequently spun of the home video rights to Soros. Paramount will still distribute on behalf of Soros.
3.)While Road to Perdition was co-financed by Dreamworks and 20th Century Fox, Dreamworks Home Entertainment had the domestic video rights. The movie was released by Dreamworks (and distributed by Universal). These rights were sold to Paramount (who bought Dreamworks), and then Paramount subsequently spun of the home video rights to Soros. Paramount will still distribute on behalf of Soros.
So in the case of Gladiator, it should arrive both on HD-DVD and Blu-ray (hopefully in VC1 and not MPEG2) via Paramount
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Suikoguy said:
Variable wavelength laser pickups....if you have a PS2, it has one of those (780nm for CDs and 640nm for DVDs)
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
mckmas8808 said:
JVC has been working on a 33.5 GB BD disk (Single layer 25GB BR+ 8.5GB DL DVD) for some time now:
http://news.com.com/JVC+previews+Blu-ray+DVD+combo/2100-1041_3-5506834.html
DarkJediKnight
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Kleegamefan said:
The cool thing about this is that it's not a flipper. I hate flippers.
mckmas8808
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Kleegamefan said:
So in your opinion when do you see movie studios using it?
Alcibiades
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Didn't JVC discontinue their work on Blu-ray/DVD hybrid?
The HD DVD/DVD single-side hybrid went into production from Memory-Tech, but this JVC thing never showed up.
The HD DVD/DVD single-side hybrid went into production from Memory-Tech, but this JVC thing never showed up.
DarkJediKnight
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Alcibiades said:
I don't know, but here it is.
It's possible but judging by the cost of the HD DVD flippers, this single sided one has to be expensive. Maybe when Blu-ray disc costs go down middle of this year from game production, we might hear more of this.
Alcibiades
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The flippers aren't that expensive to manufacture, the studios are just charging more because they don't want to include an SD version of the movie for free (to be fair, they are only adding $5 to the MSRP) they could sell them for the same amount and still make a huge profit.
The single-sided HD DVD/DVD hybrids are already in production in Japan, so I don't think they are cost prohibitive either.
The JVC thing is a completely different matter, as no discs have actually been released (or no Blu-ray hybrids) despite Disney implying they were gonna use them.
The first hybrid from the Blu-ray side we're gonna see is probably the TotalHD disc from Warner. It's practically a Blu-ray/DVD flipper but with an HD DVD side instead of DVD.
The single-sided HD DVD/DVD hybrids are already in production in Japan, so I don't think they are cost prohibitive either.
The JVC thing is a completely different matter, as no discs have actually been released (or no Blu-ray hybrids) despite Disney implying they were gonna use them.
The first hybrid from the Blu-ray side we're gonna see is probably the TotalHD disc from Warner. It's practically a Blu-ray/DVD flipper but with an HD DVD side instead of DVD.
The Main Event
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http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=63912
Great news for Europeans HD-DVD owners. And there's some major losses right here for the Blu-Ray releases, until they fix all those Java BR issues that is.
Great news for Europeans HD-DVD owners. And there's some major losses right here for the Blu-Ray releases, until they fix all those Java BR issues that is.
Blu-Ray recorders are getting down to an almost acceptable level. ($599!) Once it's in the $200's, I'm biting. I film stuff in HD constantly and I'd *love* to have Blu-Ray copies of it.
http://www.pricewatch.com/dvd_drives/blu-ray.htm
http://www.pricewatch.com/dvd_drives/blu-ray.htm
DarkJediKnight
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BobLoblaw said:Holy crap. Matrix, 300, and Potter on HD-DVD only? Wow. If that happens here in the states then that's BIG news. Good thing I own both a blu-ray and HD-DVD player. >
This is an european release schedule. The north American release will have both HD and Blu-ray on the same day. Most likely on Warner's THD disc.
Frankfurter
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Wow. Harry Potter, Batman, Blood Diamond, Matrix on HD DVD only? That's pretty huge imo.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
DarkJediKnight said:
Are you sure?
Wait...the Matrix and Happy Potter movies are coming out on HDDVD only?
I thought the were also announced for Blu-Ray not too long ago.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
and http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/list/2
I thought the were also announced for Blu-Ray not too long ago.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
and http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/list/2
broadwayrock
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Frankfurter said:
Good for Europe and importers. The rights for a few blu-ray exclusives are also held by HD-DVD exclusive studios in Europe: Rambo trilogy, Underworld Evolution, Saw and Saw II, Total Recall and Terminator 2.
The good thing about the HD-DVD/blu-ray is that you don't have to worry about the PAL/NTSC compatibility problems when importing, although region encoding may make it more difficult.
Pristine_Condition
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Fierydevil said:
They are all coming on Blu-ray Region 1.
Yet another reason for our Euro friends to import a NA or JP PS3...
DarkJediKnight
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mckmas8808 said:
100% Every single Warner movie that comes out in 2007 will come out on the exact same day on both formats. This is something Warner layed out in an interview with Digitalbits.
Alcibiades
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interesting then, that just 2 weeks ago (in 2007) Warner released Poseidon with IME features on HD DVD but not on Blu-ray...DarkJediKnight said:
I'm not saying it won't happen, and certainly every announcement so far has been for simultaneous release, but I wouldn't be surprised if they released an HD DVD before a Blu-ray version of certain titles (or vice-versa, as we saw last year with Corpse Bride and Good Night, and Good Luck hitting Blu-ray first)...
ChrisJames
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DarkJediKnight said:
With HD-DVD all ready being dead, as some people in this thread seem to think (no, hope), why do they even bother releasing on HD-DVD?
Oh yeah, because HD-DVD isn't dead or dying.
ChrisJames said:
Warner is basically delaying their releases (Matrix etc) on HD-DVD until BDA can gets it act together with BD-J. By June all new players must support BD-J. If Warner was truly neutral/fair, why don't they release their titles on HD-DVD now? HD-DVD has their shit together and they should release them now. Instead they hold them off until Blu-Ray is ready.
ChrisJames
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LJ11 said:
Yeah, that is messed up. I didn't know that, thanks for the info.
Alcibiades
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I assumed it was BD-J that would be implemented in June, but apparantly it's something to do with player profiles...
a guy on AVSforum set be straight earlier when I brought up the issue:
a guy on AVSforum set be straight earlier when I brought up the issue:
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