I think it would be awesome to get 343 and Bungie back together for a new Halo game, borrowing lessons learned from Destiny

jcorb

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For my part, for all its many ups and downs, it seemed like Destiny 2 is in a really good place. In a lot of ways, it really feel like they delivered a really satisfying conclusion to the story thus far with The Final Shape, and it feels like Destiny could maybe use a bit of a break before they jump into whatever their next “10 year journey” may be (I’m imagining they’ll abandon the Class structure in favor of more modular characters, and maybe more of Firefly’s space western atmosphere).

Not to trash on Halo Infinite, but it clearly didn’t hit the highs they were expecting. And really, with Microsoft seemingly moving away from pushing hardware, it seems like they might be in a much more collaborative space.

Combines with Bungie seemingly dealing with some stuff behind the scenes, this seems like something that could be a great opportunity for all parties involved — including Sony, of course.

Live service games have gotten a bad rap lately, but I actually think Destiny has generally been a pretty great example of live service done right. I would genuinely say that Destiny 2 has the most satisfying “feel” of any Shooter I’ve played, Call of Duty games included (albeit an obviously much slower pace).

My broad thoughts would be; you create your own new generation of Spartan, paired with an Elite, and the story treats your two characters as two actual characters working in unison for some kind of goal. I don’t keep up with Halo lore, so by all means modify as needed, but being able to swap between a Spartan and an Elite relatively seamlessly, sharing weapons but each having their own unique armor upgrades (mirroring Destiny and its loot system and class design), I could see actually being a pretty great fit.

While I’ve never followed the Halo lore, the most compelling stuff in the games to me were always the teases of the “Forerunners”. I always sort of assumed those to be “proto-humans”, and I feel like that would be a fairly strong narrative hook, and plays into the type of storytelling the Bungie has always excelled at.

Maybe the Spartans you play as are part of a new wave that were trained directly under the Master Chief’s supervisions. Hell, call it the “Spartan VII Program”, lord knows Bungie loves the number seven. I’m assuming the Elites would be on a mission of their own; maybe searching for a new home? Or maybe also being invested in the Forerunners, but where Spartans are more secular and pragmatic, the Elites are more religious in nature? (this could extend to their species-specific armor, with Spartan armor being more traditional Halo sci-fi/military gear, where Elite armor are more sacred relics with spiritual significance, their “power”).

Also, I know I’ve been typing “Elites” this whole time, but I would say that’s actually a pretty boring name. I remember their actual name being kind of dumb (I always think something like “Serengheti”), but I would either come up with a lore reason to call them all Arbiters, or give them something a little more evocative.

In any case, that’s my personal take. I can’t imagine the logistical nightmare it would be to get all of these organizations collaborating on a new Halo game, but I think it would be awesome. Plus, I think people would still love any reason to have the Firefly cast back together, even if they’re voicing characters in a completely different setting (I know Nathan Fillion played someone in a Halo game, but I don’t recall who or if they would still be alive).
 
Halo was at it's height during the XBOX days with Halo 1 and 2.

Halo 3 was great too but it's been slowly out of people's interest after that.

If they give it another shot, they should bring the Floods back in.
 

EverydayBeast

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Halo was handed to 343 removing Bungie’s charm, no doubt Microsoft is trying to turn the tides, will Halo: Infinite 2 be enough?
 
For my part, for all its many ups and downs, it seemed like Destiny 2 is in a really good place. In a lot of ways, it really feel like they delivered a really satisfying conclusion to the story thus far with The Final Shape, and it feels like Destiny could maybe use a bit of a break before they jump into whatever their next “10 year journey” may be (I’m imagining they’ll abandon the Class structure in favor of more modular characters, and maybe more of Firefly’s space western atmosphere).

Not to trash on Halo Infinite, but it clearly didn’t hit the highs they were expecting. And really, with Microsoft seemingly moving away from pushing hardware, it seems like they might be in a much more collaborative space.

Combines with Bungie seemingly dealing with some stuff behind the scenes, this seems like something that could be a great opportunity for all parties involved — including Sony, of course.

Live service games have gotten a bad rap lately, but I actually think Destiny has generally been a pretty great example of live service done right. I would genuinely say that Destiny 2 has the most satisfying “feel” of any Shooter I’ve played, Call of Duty games included (albeit an obviously much slower pace).

My broad thoughts would be; you create your own new generation of Spartan, paired with an Elite, and the story treats your two characters as two actual characters working in unison for some kind of goal. I don’t keep up with Halo lore, so by all means modify as needed, but being able to swap between a Spartan and an Elite relatively seamlessly, sharing weapons but each having their own unique armor upgrades (mirroring Destiny and its loot system and class design), I could see actually being a pretty great fit.

While I’ve never followed the Halo lore, the most compelling stuff in the games to me were always the teases of the “Forerunners”. I always sort of assumed those to be “proto-humans”, and I feel like that would be a fairly strong narrative hook, and plays into the type of storytelling the Bungie has always excelled at.

Maybe the Spartans you play as are part of a new wave that were trained directly under the Master Chief’s supervisions. Hell, call it the “Spartan VII Program”, lord knows Bungie loves the number seven. I’m assuming the Elites would be on a mission of their own; maybe searching for a new home? Or maybe also being invested in the Forerunners, but where Spartans are more secular and pragmatic, the Elites are more religious in nature? (this could extend to their species-specific armor, with Spartan armor being more traditional Halo sci-fi/military gear, where Elite armor are more sacred relics with spiritual significance, their “power”).

Also, I know I’ve been typing “Elites” this whole time, but I would say that’s actually a pretty boring name. I remember their actual name being kind of dumb (I always think something like “Serengheti”), but I would either come up with a lore reason to call them all Arbiters, or give them something a little more evocative.

In any case, that’s my personal take. I can’t imagine the logistical nightmare it would be to get all of these organizations collaborating on a new Halo game, but I think it would be awesome. Plus, I think people would still love any reason to have the Firefly cast back together, even if they’re voicing characters in a completely different setting (I know Nathan Fillion played someone in a Halo game, but I don’t recall who or if they would still be alive).
I actually like what you are proposing in a hypothetical space, but honestly I don't see this ever happening, and even if it did you won't get the result that you're seeking.

1- A lot of employees of both Bungie/343 have already moved on; whether retired or different studio or different industry etc. Whats the point of going through this logistical nightmare if the people collaborating are only doing so for the brand name?

2- There is too much bad blood between Bungie/343. There is an excellent expose about it on youtube. Essentially: Bungie offered a helping hand with Halo lore/integration to 343 and they were absolute cunts to them. I'm talking studio-wide feud and maliciousness.

3- Even if they were to work together, they fundamentally differ on what even Halo is, so whats the point? Bungie already completed Halo with the trilogy, and only made ODST because of contractual obligation. For Bungie 343's lore adjustments after they left is just fanfic.
 

RafterXL

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What Bungie did to Destiny is criminal, and what 343i did to Halo is equally so, so it makes sense you'd want two development teams that butchered their IPs to work together. Worst of both worlds, I get it.
 

Z O N E

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The Bungie that made Halo literally no longer exists.

Pretty sure that the MAJORITY of OG Bungie staff that worked on Halo, left Bungie.
 

DirtInUrEye

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I just think for Halo to stand any chance of finding a much bigger mainstream audience nowadays, they'd need to make radical changes to the classic Halo PvP formula, beginning with the ttk and the movement. It basically wouldn't feel like Halo anymore, but the veterans need to get over and appreciate the fact that most players of online FPS today do not enjoy long arsed ttk pop pop crit shots and floaty moon jumping. I've been playing Halo since the OG system link days, but FPS gameplay has evolved a lot since then, while Halo PvP is essentially still the same as it was 20 years ago... and that gameplay is now out of fashion.

I have a feeling the next Halo reboot is going to really upset a lot of the 40+ Halo crowd, when they find it has fast ttk full auto primaries and much more forgiving accuracy requirements. Never mind the deluded fools who are still beside themselves that Halo has sprint.
 
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Lokaum D+

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Stop Motion No GIF by Mouse
 

DirtInUrEye

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Destiny PvP, minus all of the space magic, is basically modernised Halo PvP multiplayer. It's fast and responsive, and I'd play the hell out an actual Halo game which had a similar feel.
 

Mibu no ookami

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The Bungie that made Halo literally no longer exists.

Pretty sure that the MAJORITY of OG Bungie staff that worked on Halo, left Bungie.

Bungie is not the bungie that created the first Halo games.

It's so funny when people say this when its completely made up. You can easily look up the credits for the first game and see that the vast majority worked on recent Destiny DLC.
 
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Zuzu

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I’d like to see Bungie take back the franchise as well. But I wouldn’t want Halo Studios to be a part of it because I think they’re going to be essentially the same as 343 - I doubt the next Halo will be much better than what 343 produced.

Bungie could also make a Halo live service spinoff game and would probably do well with it. I would want them to make a traditional Halo title as well though.

But it will probably never happen unless Sony sell Bungie to Microsoft or Sony and MS enter into a partnership deal to make the game.
 
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