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A Chinese indie dev went to Sweden for game design master program. Guy took some pictures of lecture slides and shared on social media.

See, this I could debate. As a character, is Lara basically just a dude running around getting into trouble? She never cries, doesn't complain about bugs or getting dirty, NEVER has "that time of the month", seemingly doesn't care about having kids....ever, and can kill men by the truckload with zero remorse or PTSD.

It's only recently that we see her cry all the time, have ANY concern about the people she is interacting with, killing, or essentially looting. So writing her more as a woman is actually hurting her appeal, even if the reduction in her physical sex appeal is set aside. How long until we have "mommy Lara" going on adventures with her (adopted 'cause she's gay) kids? Not long, I suspect.

 

[EN250]

I've said it before. Sweden has gone from:

From this.

Spoiler

To this

Spoiler

Thx bro, it's not like I need my eyes for normal functioning during the day...

 

[SenkiDala]

if i not mistaken lot of stuff in the story is inspired from greek mythology including the crossdressing scene.

that scene just a gag and just someone dress up on different gender briefly doesnt make a trans lmao. not different than a guy who wear female mascot costume at park.

Of course it's just cultural. Like in Japanese Kabuki theatre where ALL actors are men, even the actors playing women. It is traditional. It has nothing to do with being trans...

 

[Jinxed]

Why the fuck is Lara Croft tagged as "men with breasts"?

The fuck, am I gay?

 

[Black_Stride]

See, this I could debate. As a character, is Lara basically just a dude running around getting into trouble? She never cries, doesn't complain about bugs or getting dirty, NEVER has "that time of the month", seemingly doesn't care about having kids....ever, and can kill men by the truckload with zero remorse or PTSD.

It's only recently that we see her cry all the time, have ANY concern about the people she is interacting with, killing, or essentially looting. So writing her more as a woman is actually hurting her appeal, even if the reduction in her physical sex appeal is set aside. How long until we have "mommy Lara" going on adventures with her (adopted 'cause she's gay) kids? Not long, I suspect.

OG Timeline its implied shes already a psychopath by Tomb Raider 2 so killing people isnt an issue.
She doesnt even face all that many humans in the original Tomb Raider then Tomb Raider 2, 3 and C she loses her shit.
We dont talk about The Last Revelation or Angel of Darkness.
(Next set of Remasters, I wonder if they change things up with TLR and AOD)


If you go by the Legend timeline (which is kinda a retelling of Tomb Raider 1 onwards) then she did indeed react to killing humans.
In Anniversary she literally only kills one person. (Dont know if its canonically her first kill, but I assume so)


Reboot Survivor timeline we see her first kill and how it affects her.
By Shadow of the Tomb Raider the chick is a straight up mass murderer.
I believe Rise of the Tomb Raider has the most lethal Lara Croft with a kill count over 500 which is higher than the OG timeline combined.


If anything Lara has become more lethal and cold blooded than in previous games with the Survivor trilogy.

 

[Soodanim]

See, this I could debate. As a character, is Lara basically just a dude running around getting into trouble? She never cries, doesn't complain about bugs or getting dirty, NEVER has "that time of the month", seemingly doesn't care about having kids....ever, and can kill men by the truckload with zero remorse or PTSD.

I can't see it being an honest debate that ever goes anywhere. We don't see Tommy Vercetti have a shit or tear up at his mum's funeral either, doesn't mean the character doesn't do that in universe. Most men wouldn't kill by the truckload with no remorse, either. Our old friend ludonarrative dissonance has to come back for that to be a topic.

As (seemingly) always, the trans discussion ignores tomboys existing.

 

[SHAKEZ]

There's no agenda, wake up people!

 

[Outlier]

Interesting take, I just assumed Cloud was an introvert with severe mental health problems due to PTSD. I never considered he might just be bi.

Oh he's definitely the former, no doubt. haha

 

[Hookshot]

The fuck, am I gay?

Yes but for many, many unrelated reasons

 

[viveks86]

Why the fuck is Lara Croft tagged as "men with breasts"?

The fuck, am I gay?

The context for that caption is that, during game design, you shouldn't just swap out a male for a female just to check a box and call it a day. That there should be other considerations that make the choice of the character's sex/gender more meaningful, such as the way they move through the space, their emotions, behavior, capabilities, limitations or motivations. Basically give them more depth beyond their physical appearance. So "don't create men with breasts" is supposed to be the takeaway.

So I agree with what they wanted to convey with that slide, but the example of lara croft is beyond retarded, just like the example of Cloud. No one in their right minds would have thought she came across as a meaningless gender swap. This is the problem when a bunch of brainwashed idiots run the show. All of the underlying good intent is lost and you end up with this one dimensional stupidity that is worse than the issue it was actually supposed to address.

 

[Seomel]

that hairline in pic 2 on left explains it all lol

 

[marquimvfs]

I wish I could read thar discord chat on the student's laptop.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Really sick of these guys and just wish they'd hurry up and fuck off back into the shadows.

 

[chromhound]

 

[existensmaximum]

Move north. The further you go the better it is if you don’t like that lbtq pandering, assuming you’re okay with 8+ months of winter…. Or move to Finland. I don’t live in a progressive area, trans people could be aliens for all I know, never seen either one, never met a lesbian and the only gay person I know I’m no longer sure is gay and it’s something you just don’t talk about. I assume there are lots of closeted gay people, or they’ve all moved idk. I can’t relate to anything going on in western games, or this course.

Eh, no way. I come from the north and for me, only Stockholm is even habitable in Sweden. I absolutely hate snow and the cold...

I don't have any problems with trans or gay people, many of my friends are gay. I just don't like the woke agenda etc.

 

[Fess]

Eh, no way. I come from the north and for me, only Stockholm is even habitable in Sweden. I absolutely hate snow and the cold...

I don't have any problems with trans or gay people, many of my friends are gay. I just don't like the woke agenda etc.

Big cities are so chaotic, stressful, people everywhere, can’t drive a car without getting stuck in traffic. I can deal with it for a weekend, summer vacation trip, but then I need a week to recover.

Snow is great! Just get a snowboard or skis or a snowmobile, then you’ll like it. February to April winter is the best! When it’s lots of snow and the sun is coming back. I love it!

 

[laynelane]

Probably because according to them, she's not really a woman till she starts crying about her emotions.

Cant be a cool stoic woman who is a badass. Thats reserved for men obviously.

So she's basically a man in their eyes

Thats what I assume

It's a common criticism in certain educational courses. If a woman isn't created with the usual stereotypical female traits, then the character is just a man with breasts. You can see this in action with the new cartoon where Lara's crying quite often - 'cause, you know, women have to cry or they're not women.

Many of these activists are incredibly narrow-minded and discriminatory, but they insist on thinking they're equitable and inclusive. And because they're kind of intellectually limited, they bring a lot of harm to very people and causes they claim to support.

 

[laynelane]

lol There's a vid about this post now:

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

Well I mean. If you play FF7 (especially Remake & Rebirth), it's difficult NOT to see Cloud somewhere on the "Queer" spectrum.
Look:

1. Is turned off by Jesses continuous advances.
2. Reluctantly dresses in drag.
3. Blushful responses to Roches homoerotic taunts.
4. Makes innuendo filled comments about Roche, in Rebirth.
5. Hesitant around approaching the ladies.

What else are they going to put this twink through!?

He's clearly not gay, but he sure as hell isn't drawing straight lines.

Anyway. Sweden is a mess, but she's sort of right. *not really*

To be fair he is severely mentally ill.

Though probably not as much as that "Professor"

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Eh, Cloud is not trans.

My roomie actually takes HRT injections. She's trans.

Cross-dressing especially just to sneak into some place does not make a person trans.

I mean freaking Bugs Bunny would always dress up as a woman to fool Elmer Fudd or one of his other nemesis. I mean is he trans too?

 

[Jinxed]

Yes but for many, many unrelated reasons

You know about my secret amazon deliveries, dont you

 

[Cyberpunkd]

If a woman isn't created with the usual stereotypical female traits, then the character is just a man with breasts.

That’s lazy logic, because it assumes the default state to be a man, which is not true. There are typical reactions and mannerism more prevalent in men or in women, however the other sex can also display them - women can be violent, men can be crybabies.

 

[Luc2010]

Media waged war against gamers; they labeled us as a crazy conspiracy theorist, "DEI/WOKE agenda is a construct of our minds" they said....but everything is real, the frogs, the sky, and the water. Everything!!

They are all gaslighting every one.

 

[laynelane]

That’s lazy logic, because it assumes the default state to be a man, which is not true. There are typical reactions and mannerism more prevalent in men or in women, however the other sex can also display them - women can be violent, men can be crybabies.

It's lazy and it's just plain wrong, actually. Nonetheless, it's what is being taught. My wording is "stereotypical" because it is - it's why we see Lara Croft go from her original character to what she is now. A woman can't be a resolute badass - she needs to cry, have daddy issues, etc. like the newer variations of the character. The people with some of the worst portrayals of men and women are the so-called progressive types.

 

[HoodWinked]

imagine paying for this program so that it can set you up to fail.

 

[kikii]

as a Fin we call swedes "buttfookers"

 

[neocycle]

Horrible school.

 

[Venom Snake]

 

[ValiantInstance]

They all have that same look to them.

That's because they are people who would otherwise be at the bottom of the gene pool, but have found a way to game the system.

 

[PeteBull]

That's because they are people who would otherwise be at the bottom of the gene pool, but have found a way to game the system.

It makes perfect sense too, 2/10 cavetroll women dont get much of attention from guys, often get negative attention too, and they compare it all to what other women get treated, pretty ones, then ofc are jaded af and preach all men are evil/predators/fuckboys, and suddenly equity/equality demands happen etc xD
7/10 and above girls usually get relatively good treatment from guys overall so there arent as many feminists among those(ofc when superyoung/in college even those can easily fall to stupid teachings but at least not from irl experience like jaded cave trolls ;p).

 

[GymWolf]

Sweden... these are descendant of the Vikings, WTF went wrong there!?

Techno viking was their masculinity last standing but he is gone now

 

[Ma-Yuan]

Well I don't care i vote with my wallet i am close to only buying japanese games nowadays anyway. So if these students want wais their time and money learning this and ending up sinking western dev studios so be it.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

lol There's a vid about this post now:

i wonder if baldy will watch/comment on this.

 

[deriks]

The fuck, am I gay?

 

[Sorne]

what the actual fuck.... and this is my neighboring country. What the hell happened. Brainwashing kids now.

Just make good games, and fuck your god damn gender politics.

 

[Braag]

I mean it's Sweden...

 

[SkyHighTrees]

im tired boss

 

[Nikodemos]

The MC of FlipWitch is a much better representation of a trans character which actually makes ludonarrative sense, but them do them, I guess.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

They all have that same look to them.

That's a man, a balding man.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

This thread is why I avoid anything that could be even slightly political on this forum

Go to your safe space Tron

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Western Europe is woke af, guys, not saying 100% but in many areas well over 50% of them would be rabid hilary/cumala supporters, thats why many western games look like they look, and sell terribly
For my american gaf-bros, think of leftists/liberals/progressives aka clowns, thats how majority of those ppl think, i say majority so 95%+ of women(especially young and middleaged women)and easily 30% of guys, yup, its that bad already.

Ofc all kinds of negative consequences follow that worldview, common feminism as default faith(which means close to 0 quality women that are marriage-able), terrible birthrates well below 2,1 needed for population replacement, even if u count in foreign culture migrants that multiply like rabbits, true birthrates among actual native europeans are even lower. Crazy %age of divorces on top of very lil marriages too.
Close to 0 moral values of any kind, no feelings of patriotism or belonging to any community, basically sodoma and gomorra in early stages or maybe even middle stages already

This is why Alex from digital foundry is what he is. No wonder he immediately left Twitter to go to bluecry the day Trump won the election.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Guy Pearce had to go on a starvation diet for the role lol, you can see his cheeks sunken in and everything, very noticeable when you compare him side by side with when he did L.A. Confidential.

That movie is incredible. So well done.

 

[Bernardougf]

imagine paying for this program so that it can set you up to fail.

Actually looking into the last years of western studios... this people would be probably immediately hired.... no matter the talent, ideology is more important...So it makes perfect sense this training....

 

[DarkArterialGore]

They all have that same look to them.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

blind leading the blind

 

[vpance]

lol There's a vid about this post now:

Just saw Asmon talking about this video

Hopefully this garbage gets cleaned out sooner than later.

 

[Osthyvel]

As a swede.... there is so much in this country that i really hate and are ashamed of.

If i say that there is only 2 gender, many will probably call me; nazi, fascist, right wing extremist etc.

Its really really f*cked up here.

 

[Emedan]

As a swede.... there is so much in this country that i really hate and are ashamed of.

If i say that there is only 2 gender, many will probably call me; nazi, fascist, right wing extremist etc.

Its really really f*cked up here.

Yeah and voting for the "right" doesn't even get rid of it, the social democratic brain rot is deep here.

 

[DragonNCM]

 

[Trogdor1123]

Techno viking was their masculinity last standing but he is gone now

Did techno Viking die?!