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[Leonidas]

Intel Core Ultra "Arrow Lake-S" desktop lineup leak: 24-core 285K, 20-core 265K and 14-core 245K - VideoCardz.com

Intel to launch three K-Series SKUs in Arrow Lake-S lineup The information comes from Benchlife. The site has already leaked plenty of Intel products in the past, including the 14th Gen Core series with full clock speed disclosure when they were still under a domain of rumors. The media has now...

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Good to see new CPUs on a new architecture coming out this year. Good to see Intel on another new manufacturing processs.

I wonder who will take the CPU gaming performance crown this year.

I wish Intel would put a large cache on CPU like they did with the 5775C 9 years ago.

 

[Kenpachii]

that's some terrible naming

 

[bbeach123]

No hyper-threading ?

The end of an era ?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

No hyper-threading ?

The end of an era ?

I assume that downsizes the cores and that's why they can squeeze more of them.

 

[Soodanim]

That's all that matters these days with Intel

 

[DenchDeckard]

I really need to buy some intel shares asap.

 

[FireFly]

Sad that after all Intel's hype about process leadership, only a single Arrow Lake SKU will apparently be on 20A.

 

[cebri.one]

Sad that after all Intel's hype about process leadership, only a single Arrow Lake SKU will apparently be on 20A.

20A is a test node pretty much like Intel 4. Intel 3 (or 4+) and 18A (20A+) are the ones which will have enough volume for server. Client on Intel is going to be primarily TSMC for a couple of years.

 

[Kadve]

Still no 3D cache i take it?

 

[winjer]

No hyper-threading ?

The end of an era ?

The Frontend of modern CPUs have become so effective, that there are few opportunities to have a secondary thread in the same pipeline.

 

[Silver Wattle]

There is not much to take from this.
They need to make a huge jump in power efficiency, cut back on the power delivered by motherboards and increase IPC more than enough to offset the reduced clock speeds.

 

[Leonidas]

Still no 3D cache i take it?

I don't expect it yet, but there is a possibility.

"in our roadmap, you're seeing the idea of 3D silicon where we'll have cache on one die, and we'll have CPU compute on the stacked die on top of it..."

 

[LordOfChaos]

No hyper-threading ?

The end of an era ?

I assume that downsizes the cores and that's why they can squeeze more of them.

Arrow Lake is supposedly the first steps towards the goal of Keller's "Royal Core", with rentable units replacing the old SMT. It should work much better as cores with a high 1T demand can borrow units from others. This is almost a reverse from hyperthreading/SMT just trying to pack any idle execution units within one core with an extra thread. This one doesn't have rentable units, but the core architecture is getting ready for it by being rid of SMT.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...itch-Hyper-Threading-altogether.736036.0.html


SMT took probably a sub percent of the die size these days with everything else growing in transistor count, I don't think it was for that, SMT/HT was just always a bandaid and now they're working to do it a better way


Notice how Apple's M4 which just launched days ago and has the highest single thread performance on earth never had SMT

 

[Nvzman]

That's all that matters these days with Intel

This isn't true at all with both Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake, they are running on a completely new chiplet structure similar to AMD and the Meteor Lake laptop chips are basically nearly as thermally and power efficient as AMD now. The only reason why 13900k and 14900k ran so hot was because it was basically maxing out the architecture like crazy.

I think Arrow Lake is going to be a massive shock, allegedly its going to deliver massive performance gains over the Alder Lake architecture while also being significantly more efficient and have very good thermal profiles.

 

[Soodanim]

This isn't true at all with both Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake, they are running on a completely new chiplet structure similar to AMD and the Meteor Lake laptop chips are basically nearly as thermally and power efficient as AMD now. The only reason why 13900k and 14900k ran so hot was because it was basically maxing out the architecture like crazy.

I think Arrow Lake is going to be a massive shock, allegedly its going to deliver massive performance gains over the Alder Lake architecture while also being significantly more efficient and have very good thermal profiles.

You speak as if it's verified fact but I can't find any proof. What have I missed?

Regardless, it's still true. Intel has earned a reputation of high temps and until it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's no longer an issue all people will be interested in is the temps. The blunt truth is that the speculation means nothing at the end of the day.

 

[Buggy Loop]

285K

Since when Intel put the chip’s thermals in Kelvin in their naming scheme?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Kidding aside, I found this article today

Report: Intel Bought All of ASML's High-NA EUV Machines for 2024

Intel is looking to corner the market on high-NA lithography.

www.extremetech.com

Intel is making an high stake bet but one that will most likely pay off for them with ASML

TSMC said they they don’t need High NA EUV

Reminds me of when Intel said they don’t need EUV, betting against ASML in litho world is a risky move, I’m surprised that TSMC of all foundries would doubt high NA.

Could this be a massive chance for Intel to be ahead.

 

[hooijdonk17]

This looks like it's going to be a colossal clusterfuck

 

[Housh]

I might swap my 12700k with a 14900k when prices drop. It'll save me on heating for the winter.

 

[elbourreau]

First start.

 

[magnumpy]

I said "wow"

 

[Insane Metal]

Going from 32 threads to 20 threads in a new gen, that's interesting. I'm guessing the frequency is also going up a bit? Interested to see how this goes.

 

[iHaunter]

I'm still sitting on 10th gen. Intel has been mediocre for so many years. 3060 sitting for 1440p for now.

 

[Solidus_T]

Looks like these chips are doing away with SMT completely. I wonder what production workloads will look like on them? Not that I really care too much since I will still be sticking with AMD CPUs

 

[LordOfChaos]

Y'all see any SMT in this? Not worried about the loss of HT which was a mixed bag, let's see let's see

The Apple M4 Is the New Geekbench Single-Core Performance Champion

It's even faster than the Intel Core i9-14900KS.

www.extremetech.com

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

new arch and new nm will be interesting

but still a max of 8P cores is lame
and good lord, that naming

 

[Barakov]

I'm interested in seeing how 2nm pans out.

 

[Imtjnotu]

what youll need to power it

 

[Krappadizzle]

Me when I go to my office because of the CPU and GPU....

 

[Insane Metal]

Have you guys seen the 14900KS?

It's super efficient








As a heater

 

[DrCheese]

wtf even is this naming scheme now. Awful.

 

[winjer]

Intel Arrow Lake-S "Core Ultra 200" Desktop CPUs Rumored To Launch In December

Intel's Arrow Lake-S "Core Ultra 200" Desktop CPUs are rumored to launch in December, five months after AMD's Ryzen 9000 release.

wccftech.com

 

[DGrayson]

You speak as if it's verified fact but I can't find any proof. What have I missed?

Regardless, it's still true. Intel has earned a reputation of high temps and until it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's no longer an issue all people will be interested in is the temps. The blunt truth is that the speculation means nothing at the end of the day.

I switched to AMD after being an Intel lifer primarily due to temps. My electricity bill is high enough.

 

[marquimvfs]

I really need to buy some intel shares asap.

That aged like milk.

 

[DenchDeckard]

That aged like milk.

You'll see in 10 years!

 

[Bojji]

That aged like milk.

Maybe he meant "sell" there.

 

[Three]

I really need to buy some intel shares asap.

I'm curious to know if you actually went through with this back in May and how you're feeling about it

Edit: oh I see this is the reason it was bumped