RetroGamingUK
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Based on the WSJ article, it's in fact PC spending which is in decline:
Well would you look at that
Mobile declining too doesn’t surprise considering what a scummy industry it’s become
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Jason Schreier says 3rd party console exclusives will become obsolete soon
Well would you look at that
Mobile declining too doesn’t surprise considering what a scummy industry it’s become
MiguelItUp
Member
I believe it. Third party exclusives feel like they're losing steam with time. First party, however, can still be very effective per Nintendo.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Would be funny if it’s just the nextbox hybrid. It plays everything except Nintendo games; however series consoles have emulators so…
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Nintendo is first party moran.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
LRKD
Member
3rd party exclusives dropped HARD going from 6th to 7th generation of consoles. I'd argue they basically died there, it's just been a slow death and a few weird ones here and there since.
1st party going obsolete... is kind of happening. but it's mind boggling to watch, it makes zero sense. If you have 0 console exclusives, why would you pay more for less? Even PS5 with its very limited library isn't worth the purchase imo, and with every PC port it reaffirms the choice that buying a PS5 would've been a bad investment. I wouldn't be surprised if we see PS stop porting games to PC in the not too distant future though.
Anyways Jason "Big tits make me think pedophilic thoughts" Schreier really doesn't have anything enlightening here to say, that anyone with half a braincell hasn't figured out themselves already.
1st party going obsolete... is kind of happening. but it's mind boggling to watch, it makes zero sense. If you have 0 console exclusives, why would you pay more for less? Even PS5 with its very limited library isn't worth the purchase imo, and with every PC port it reaffirms the choice that buying a PS5 would've been a bad investment. I wouldn't be surprised if we see PS stop porting games to PC in the not too distant future though.
Anyways Jason "Big tits make me think pedophilic thoughts" Schreier really doesn't have anything enlightening here to say, that anyone with half a braincell hasn't figured out themselves already.
DenchDeckard
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No growth to be seen. And PS5 won't even come close to the PS2.
Yeah. It's a tough reality but console has a ceiling. PC is growing. Simple as that.
Profits tell a different story
These things always interesting me. Are these graphs adjusted for inflation or is it just the number?
sendit
Member
Keyword “turd”
RetroGamingUK
Member
You totally ignored their other graph
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Which one?
Maybe, but Sony has to weight the potential hit to their PlayStation core business against whatever revenue they get from the PC ports. The figure XBox having full PC capacity (which could lead to PS first party games on XBox) is something I’m sure Sony is discussing internally.
Right now, Sony’s first party output is in a state of weakness, but their top studios all appear to be working on big time single player games now, so the current weakness might not last. Unlike Microsoft, I don’t think Sony is content to just be a publisher, so it’ll be interesting to see how they are able to leverage their first party games to keep their core (and extremely profitable) PlayStation business going for another decade or more.
Right now, Sony’s first party output is in a state of weakness, but their top studios all appear to be working on big time single player games now, so the current weakness might not last. Unlike Microsoft, I don’t think Sony is content to just be a publisher, so it’ll be interesting to see how they are able to leverage their first party games to keep their core (and extremely profitable) PlayStation business going for another decade or more.
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RetroGamingUK
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DenchDeckard
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RetroGamingUK
Member
It’s a shame we’re going to have to wait until the end of the generation before we see Sony’s best on PS5, but hopefully the lesson has been learned.
Madserb2023
Member
After reading several posts, I think people are confused. He is talking about third party exclusives like Final Fantasy 16 not first party exclusives. It appears with recently comments by Square Enix, they will be no longer doing that. Capcom moved away sometime ago after poor sales on GameCube. I can't say there hasn't been a trend in this direction.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly! So what are we talking about?
AREYOUOKAY?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
THIS TOO! But what will Jason say when he's proven wrong here?
onnextflix5
Member
Well yeh, With ms bowing out of the console race, Sony has no reason to pay for them.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
We need exclusives.
so I hope he’s wrong
so I hope he’s wrong
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Why would first party pay for exclusivity when they already the ones getting all games?
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Got to love how these insiders and reporters want to drag Sony and Nintendo to the same hole Microsoft put themselves into.
Kacho
Gold Member
I think Jason is right if Sony continues down their current path. If they stop chasing top tier graphics and get their budgets under control, they wouldn't need to rely on PC ports.
Dorago
Member
There will be more third party PS4 exclusives released this year than first party PS5 ones.
Nintendo will always have a system with a hardware gimmick so their third party titles will tend to be exclusive as well.
If we want to look at Steam as a platform, 99.9% of all games on it are third party.
There's a lesson for Sony/MS moving forward there, because they made great hardware this gen but have screwed the pooch on software.
Why trying a fund everything yourselves, when you could make the platform as good as possible and have other companies risk having a game fail?
Nintendo will always have a system with a hardware gimmick so their third party titles will tend to be exclusive as well.
If we want to look at Steam as a platform, 99.9% of all games on it are third party.
There's a lesson for Sony/MS moving forward there, because they made great hardware this gen but have screwed the pooch on software.
Why trying a fund everything yourselves, when you could make the platform as good as possible and have other companies risk having a game fail?
hinch7
Member
Well yeah big games are expensive to make and long to produce. Getting good ROI is harder when being locked to one platform and generally just isn't feasable when several millions are on the line - unless you're Nintendo. Third parties going exclusive (timed or otherwise) limits audience reach and also caps potential to a game and franchise. We've seen this so many times with SE games - like Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy.
This is why going PC (for us gamers) is a safe bet if people care for platform longevity. All console makers apart from Nintendo are porting their games on there and third party console exclusives are getting rarer.
This is why going PC (for us gamers) is a safe bet if people care for platform longevity. All console makers apart from Nintendo are porting their games on there and third party console exclusives are getting rarer.
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//DEVIL//
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Eh.. he is talking about third party exclusive games ? Like final fantasy 7 remake series for example ?This is a dumb tweet.
So what exactly is Jason taking about here?
- Sony is already releasing on PC. They aren’t going to release SP exclusives on Xbox or Switch.
- Xbox is releasing everywhere, so no shit.
- Nintendo isn’t releasing games outside their own consoles. Although if they try for a bigger MP game I could see a potential Steam release.
Tomofdahook17
Member
Am I supposed to be surprised by this information? It really just depends on the game and your target audience.
The Japanese companies have Playstation users on lock. But obviously releasing a game on steam will get you more sales.
And Xbox games are basically all going to be published on all platforms so they are pretty much irrelevant in this discussion.
The Japanese companies have Playstation users on lock. But obviously releasing a game on steam will get you more sales.
And Xbox games are basically all going to be published on all platforms so they are pretty much irrelevant in this discussion.
lughnasadh123
Member
We are nowhere near a time when Nintendo and Sony don't try to grab up some third party exclusives to further push hardware sales.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
That would also imply viable 3rd party ports for Switch 2 unless I am being biased with my understanding of this.
It'll probably all depend on how ms does. If sony and Nintendo sees that will overall make them more money then that's what they will do. Right now their ecosystem in place is able to sustain them but if that were to change due to lower console sales or skyrocketing operating costs they will def follow suit.
bundylove
Member
No.It means he knows floodgates opened and xbox going 3rd party 4real, i bet he got leaks from his leftists devs friends already and they gave him all the info about game ports they working on already
Not true.
This is how it works.
He opens his mouth.
Some dev dips his balls into it.
Based on taste and texture and firmity he analyses all the information he gathers and then writes up his thoughts .
Now he is an insider. Should be called insidehim cuz i doubt he was ever inside anyone
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
A platform that’s repeatedly hitting its concurrent users while getting console first party exclusives, is the last platform that needs saving, especially when GPU less than 1k are common too. Cannot say that for consoles though.
bitbydeath
Member
Your graph is missing a small gaming company called Nintendo.
No growth to be seen. And PS5 won't even come close to the PS2.
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polybius80
Member
ok, that means that 3rd party console exclusives will become the most important thing soon
thank you for telling us Jason
thank you for telling us Jason
LectureMaster
Member
Jason Schreier says as a 3rd party, he will soon come obsolete between his wife and her boyfriend.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Probably
And put it this way
If you were in Sony's shoes, why would you care about a 3rd party exclusivity deal at this point? Xbox sales are collapsing, they are going full third party at a rapid pace, there's simply no need whatsoever to moneyhat third party exclusives anymore. PS5 sales are going to skyrocket after GTA6 which will basically be defacto exclusive in terms of impact. The Playstation console business has never been stronger and there's not any hardware war for them to fight in their market.
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nowhat
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Early PS3 was rough. I recall reading (no reference at hand, so you'll just have to take my word for it, or not) Sony was making a loss of around $200 per console sold, despite the high MSRP. So no wonder they dropped having a full Emotion Engine there in later hardware revisions, even if having hardware compatibility with PS2 was nice.Profits tell a different story
DryvBy
Member
Well ya know, copying Microsoft is the winning strategy.
TheGodfather07
Member
Isn't sony going to get many 3rd party console exclusives by default? Xbox is on the way out and switch 2 will be skipped because of technical limitations. I could see that happening. Besides, I'll never take games media seriously. They said consoles were dying and mobile would take over like 15 years ago!
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
It’s a long road but it seems to be heading that way, with Sony’s first party and 3rd party console exclusives both releasing on PC too.
DenchDeckard
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The big example of this will be if the next FF7 is playstation exclusive.
If it isn't, then yeah. It's Joever unless Sony pays more than they ever have so the publisher ignores pc.
If it isn't, then yeah. It's Joever unless Sony pays more than they ever have so the publisher ignores pc.
Hudo
Gold Member
If it is exclusive then Square's new CEO has some explaining to do because he announced, in front of his investors, that Square would be done with (temporary) third-party exclusives.
RetroGamingUK
Member
His words ain’t that controversy. We already knew quite a while.
First half of 2010s looks bad for console spend compared to PC.
Looks like console has really gained some momentum these last few years.
DenchDeckard
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His words ain’t that controversy. We already knew quite a while.
Then if you show that other slide that
RetroGamingUK
shared with me, that slide tries to paint PC as in decline when its seeing more growth than console.Similar threads
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