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[Blitzkrieg!]

Poll isn’t very good. I don’t give a shit if there’s a female protagonist or otherwise, it’s the gender ideology bullshit that’s a red line for me. It’s a cancer and it destroys the lives of vulnerable kids who fall into it. Keep it out of games.

 

[keefged4]

I have played through the entirety of KCD2 and done all the quests and sidequests. Not once did I encounter any kind of "woke" shit. The way the game works is you'll only see the gay stuff if you.. well make gay choices. So go figure, those complaining about seeing the woke shit must have actively went seeking for it and made the choices to force it. KCD2 is not even in the same universe of wokeness when it comes to absolute pish like Dragon Age and the like.

 

[PeteBull]

Btw a woman protagonist is not woke ..but a flat chested ugly looking dude identified by the devs as a woman in the lead yes it is

We got high quality non woke game remaster not even a year ago, black female protag from ubi even:

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I have played through the entirety of KCD2 and done all the quests and sidequests. Not once did I encounter any kind of "woke" shit. The way the game works is you'll only see the gay stuff if you.. well make gay choices. So go figure, those complaining about seeing the woke shit must have actively went seeking for it and made the choices to force it. KCD2 is not even in the same universe of wokeness when it comes to absolute pish like Dragon Age and the like.

That's literally how AC Shadows is, yet op has AC Shadows as High and KCD as Low.

 

[Kilau]

Anyone who participated in this poll looks like this

Listen, an article and tweet might be made about this poll. “X% of gamers polled hate women”

 

[Muffdraul]

My objection is when the "woke crowd" demands developers cater to them. Speaking of when "woke" shit started, I swear I remember someone talking about starting a petition to force Rockstar to make one of the GTA 5 protagonists female. Idiotic. I just want devs to have a vision and execute it with no outside interference. If a dev WANTS their project to be "woke," fine with me. I generally won't let that stop me from enjoying a game as long as the game itself is good. If TLOU2 and AC Shadows are "woke," I couldn't care less.

 

[Kotaro]

who the hell vote for high to full tolerance?!?....please make the voter names visible

 

[calico]

I never used to give a shit about elements which some would consider woke now. Then those elements became such reliable indicators that the game would be a lecture masquerading as a game that nowadays I avoid them like the plague. It's not enjoyable, has been done to death for almost a decade and I have no desire to support it.

I still don't consider the elements themselves to be inherently woke. If a non-Western dev included them, I wouldn't assume they indicate a woke game.

 

[PeteBull]

who the hell vote for high to full tolerance?!?....please make the voter names visible

They are likely rainbow forum mods secret gaf accounts, im sure ppl who should know, do know who they are anyways

 

[Killer8]

The fact people can't decide on what criteria constitutes low or high shows how nebulous the term is becoming of late.

 

[Fbh]

I'd say low.
But I also don't think having a female and/or non white main character, or having LGBT characters is woke.
"Woke" to me is when these things feel forced, poorly integrated or preachy

 

[Valonquar]

I think it really depends on the context of each game individually. Too many shoehorn it in unnecessarily to check a box. Usually it's to fill in when the writing is already terrible and the forced virtue signals just make it worse.

Some random WOKE things I can think of from recent history:

Recently I was in a car with 5 work people and we were talking about recent Star Trek shows and one of the guys complained that Star Trek was TOO WOKE now, and then I was like "Um Star Trek was woke before you were even BORN."

Even if I thought it was absurd, TLOU 2's "What if you were LGBTQ during the zombie apocalypse?" was fine. The game wasn't presenting you with choices relating to that stuff, it just told you, this is who these characters are. The characters had enough depth and background for it to be okay I guess. With Aloy in Horizon 2 it felt like she just wasn't into anyone at all in the first game, then just... was into women in game 2. I think overall it depends on the choices a game gives you. If it's all about CHOICE and then it forces you into a LGBTQ role that's terrible game design. Shepard in Mass Effect could fuck everyone, and most of the PG13 sex was fairly bleh anyhow.

I remember people melting down over the several TV series being too woke, such as Watchmen, She-Hulk, Lovecraft Country, and still found them all enjoyable. Maybe people just need to chill, or eat an edible or something.

 

[soulbait]

Where is the option for "The poll is absolutely, fucking stupid?"

 

[KàIRóS]

OP is a purple spy.

Nah man I haven't posted there in like 6 years I didn't want to use they/them pronouns to refer to some idiot and got banned for life, absolutely stupid.

 

[Bernardougf]

Bigot sandwiches and Barves are in another scale of shitty wokeness.... putting AC shadows above any of them is ridiculous and I definitely dont support AC shadows.

 

[Radical_3d]

My tolerance is very high but I don’t think no AC is good (I liked Black Flag but that doesn’t excuses its flaws). The examples are not good enough for us who are out of the loop of the American culture war. I’m less intolerant towards mediocre games.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Whilst I disagree with the concept of trasngenderism, one of my favourite games that I am playing right now has a trans writer (Space Marine 2).

If the game is good and has no woke content, I will buy it.

If a game is good and has some woke content, I will play it.

If the game is shit and woke, eg Concord, Dragon Age, I will avoid like the plague.

I have zero interest in supporting developers who wish to imbue their games with political messaging and woke propaganda.

 

[EntelechyFuff]

I think anyone can write any story with any type of character with whatever type of background, and that story can potentially good. So I guess I have theoretically high or full tolerance?

The problem arises when simply including typically woke-coded stuff in a game are considered a sufficient goal in and of itself. The biggest videogame poster children for "killed by woke" are often poorly written, tropey, low-quality games completely independent of any wokeness at all.

The poll uses TLOU as medium-woke, when in reality it is more accurately considered super mega ultra triple-dog woke. BUT, compared to many of these other games, it is a well-produced and technically sophisticated product that has compelling narrative. I'm guessing it feels "less woke" because the quality is higher, which is kind of my point.

 

[Poppinfresh]

Low tolerance for all things woke, but at the same time it's not going to keep me from playing a game that I think looks fun.

 

[viveks86]

one of my favourite games that I am playing right now has a trans writer (Space Marine 2).

Whoa! Did GAF know about this? I'd like to see a poll on how this makes them feel!

 

[Jigsaah]

Medium tolerance. Makes sense, I'm a middle of the road kinda guy on most things. Not an Xbox fanboy or Sony fanboy...went PC cuz it's middle of the road.

Gameplay > everything. If the game is good I won't let a woke agenda take me away from having my fun. Especially if you can avoid those situations in the narrative. AC Shadows kinda pisses me off, but the gameplay is fun so far. So I subbed for a month. Refuse to pay full price. TLOU2 was off putting but Abby's apparent steroid obsession and Ellie's lesbian coming out party didn't prevent me from enjoying an otherwise excellent game. I did pay full price for that...it's just that good. Baldur's Gate 3. beat it twice. Avoided the gay stuff, not my thing. Helluva time, overall. I draw the line at Dragonage. Bioware flew way too close to the sun on that one and it's unforgivable.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Whoa! Did GAF know about this? I'd like to see a poll on how this makes them feel!

It's the product that matters, not the people. Unless it's people being racist on X like the south of midnight community manager or that avowed art director.

 

[viveks86]

It's the product that matters, not the people. Unless it's people being racist on X like the south of midnight community manager or that avowed art director.

Well, that's your opinion (mine as well). I don't think it matters even in the examples you gave of individuals. Going by the poll results though, I don't think everyone agrees with us. So I'd like to know how many are truly lost to the culture wars.

 

[N0S]

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Whoa! Did GAF know about this? I'd like to see a poll on how this makes them feel!

SM2 was written by three people. Ashley Cooper was one of them.

But the positive thing here is that the artist separated his/her personal views and did not inject them in the game.

Which is precisely how it should be.

 

[Kacho]

So I'd like to know how many are truly lost to the culture wars.

Make a thread. Wait until GAF finds out the SotN composer is a woman.

 

[Chittagong]

I don’t mind female heroes, heroes of different ethnicity, as long as it’s relevant.

I do mind genders and ethnicities that are shoehorned in in the name of “diversity”, or “inclusion”.

And I absolutely detest the Body Type 1/2 shit, it should be banned entirely

 

[MiguelItUp]

I just care about good/great games honestly. Doesn't matter what the game is, but if any kind of "agenda" is on the forefront and put over the importance of everything else, it usually doesn't do well.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I don’t mind female heroes, heroes of different ethnicity, as long as it’s relevant.

I do mind genders and ethnicities that are shoehorned in in the name of “diversity”, or “inclusion”.

And I absolutely detest the Body Type 1/2 shit, it should be banned entirely

I don't like it when an established male character in a series is suddenly switched to a female. Who the fuck wants to play as MJ in Spiderman for example?

I have no issue with playing female characters in games such as Tomb Raider, Returnal, Metroid etc - since they're not shoehorned in.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Where would Hogwarts Legacy, Baldur's Gate 3, Cyberpunk 2077 and Starfield land? I would have to say high. I mean, by the most vocal peoples, these games are woke for even having the option to make a trans character with pronouns.

Very low and zero tolerance you have to start to follow that list

Woke Content Detector's Curated List of Games

docs.google.com

I can't imagine gaming life by following this shit. Imagine skipping on Elden ring because of body type A & B.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

OP is a purple spy.

Is there really that big of a difference between Gaf and the purple forum, other than the color scheme?

 

[rabbity-thing]

 

[semiconscious]

I think this poll will be a good experiment here at GAF...

& i think you're wrong...

 

[viveks86]

Make a thread. Wait until GAF finds out the SotN composer is a woman.

May be I will. We clearly don't have enough of these

 

[ssringo]

Somewhere between medium and high. "Fun" can do a lot of heavy lifting but it isn't a catch all. I have little to no interest in an lgbtqetc focused game but have no issue with them existing.

If something crosses my arbitrary line then I'll just ignore it and focus on something else.

As an aside, Timespinners is one of the most hamfisted checklist games ever made but I mostly enjoyed it and am looking forward to the sequel.

 

[Danjin44]

I don’t look at the game and see if they are “woke” or not because these days I no longer know what “woke” is anymore.

To me as long as the game looks fun then I’m more than happy to play it.

 

[Soodanim]

I can't answer the poll because it's not a scale that I use. I don't make decisions based on an anti-woke ideology, I take each game on its own merits.

Nier 1 has a a character that would fall under the LGBT+ umbrella. Nier 1 is well written, but I'm sure there are people out there that would consider Nier 1 woke regardless of how a story is told. They're idiots, mind, but they almost certainly exist.

If I don't think I'll enjoy a game, I won't bother with it. That can be because of poor writing, and there can be a correlation with an over reliance or heavily emphasis on certain themes, but it's not necessarily because of them. Any idea can be written well or poorly. It's not the concept, but the execution. DA:V's devs couldn't wait to tell us exactly what their intentions were, and the result was a poorly written game already a distant memory beyond memes about pulling a Bharv and discussions about failures.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I guess “low”

Dealbreakers for me:
- when you can tell the writers are trying so, so hard to make me like a character based on their intersectional qualifications

- when characters are all treated based on where they sit in the intersectional victimhood hierarchy. Diverse woman = bravest, smartest, super likeable, comes out on top of every interaction. Straight white male = villain, guy who betrays your team, or else some soy dork who knows his place and defers to the the Strong Woman leader, etc

- when the men aren’t masculine, the women aren’t feminine + I can tell they took great care not to appeal to the male gaze when designing them

- when the cast looks like a bunch of self inserts from some progressive Gen Z bubble

- when it’s supposed to be set in like, some medieval-inspired fantasy world and yet there’s perfect racial + gender representation across all locales and all walks of life

 

[Danjin44]

Nier 1 has a a character that would fall under the LGBT+ umbrella. Nier 1 is well written, but I'm sure there are people out there that would consider Nier 1 woke regardless of how a story is told. They're idiots, mind, but they almost certainly exist.

If anyone thinks that game is “woke” they objectively fucking idiots.

 

[mdkirby]

Medium, depends on game, context, relevance, and how it’s delivered. For me at least there is a clear line between diversity/progressivism and “wokeness”, whilst they share some elements, they are not the same, and it comes down to intent and delivery.

 

[Kururu]

I just woke and closed this. We don't need a topic that will lead to fighting.