Man beats up retired Priest that abused him 35 years ago
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Captain Sparrow
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I love all of the comments stating the attacker was wrong. Let's see you go through the same thing and "forgive" the priest.
What the hell is wrong with priests? They are the worst offenders.
What the hell is wrong with priests? They are the worst offenders.
Monocle
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I don't know about you, but I firmly believe public discourse stands much to benefit from the free exchange of rape jokes about victims of every sort of sex crime.fuzzyreactor said:
Sounds like great practice for prison.Count Dookkake said:
WHERE I ASSUME THEY HAVE EXERCISE BIKES IN EXERCISE ROOMS WHERE YOU EXERCISE
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Did I ever say that he should forgive the priest? Please, tell me where I said that the priest's behavior was anything but despicable, and the man wasn't entirely in his rights to hate the priest and try to report him now that we live in a climate where such things can come out and be believed.Captain Sparrow said:
This doesn't have anything to do with forgiveness. The attacker was wrong even though the priest didn't deserve forgiveness.Captain Sparrow said:
I can't even see how his actions are understandable at this point. Maybe if he came across him the street by accident, but otherwise the guy planned to do a stupid thing that wasn't even particulaly heroic and was actually acting pretty cowardly.
What?
Monocle
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Rape is disgusting and evil no matter who does it. (I'm sure you agree.) All other things being equal, priests may be no more predisposed to crime than people of any other common profession, most of which assumedly contain a typical range of well-adjusted individuals salted with the rarer pedophiles and sociopaths and other social outliers. While it wouldn't surprise me to find that some jobs are more attractive to groups given to criminal behavior, it seems to me that the factors most blatantly implicated in the high incidence of pedophilia in the clergy are the religious doctrines that enforce naive submission to authorityin effect grooming the laity for exploitation of every kindand the Church's preeminent concern for its own interests, manifested in its systematic whitewashing of its sordid history and its harboring of serial rapists. These conditions nourish a favorablealmost, dare I say, permissiveclimate for sexual predators.Captain Sparrow said:
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If revenging oneself for a life-destroying experience is cowardly, then cowardice may have cathartic effects that could be profitable to explore. In perfect seriousness, you have a lot of work ahead of you before you convince me that cowardice had anything to do with the attacker's actions.JGS said:
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all my loli wolf companions are so moe
And I was right - looks like being a man of cloth will grant you protection =/
nVidiot_Whore
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Being a priest must be a weird life.
JGS said:
It's not heroic, it's not cowardly. it was surely the act of a man mentally beat down, seeking any way for catharsis. I'm not sure there's any black and white aspect to this - surely, the law MUST prosecute him. But on the other hand, there's no way I can view the victim here as WRONG either. The poor fucking guy was forced to perform oral sex on his own brother, as well as was repeatedly raped by this fucker. No matter there was a "settlement", he might have thought that would be a good step to calm his mental state, but clearly it was not.
Anyone who goes out of there way to stage a beating this severe after nearly 35 years is someone who is mentally distraught. And for good fucking reason. The guilt he must go through from having been forced to molest his brother must be insane. The anger is something I don't think you or anyone else can understand with basic overarching statements about how "HE BROKE TEH LAW DAMN IT!"
It is true, a law was broken. It is also true the priest deserved it, and worse. The priest deserved to die. This wasn't even close to the only kid he raped either. So, will you see any fucking body shedding a tear or hoping this guy goes to prison? Fuck no. I'm going to hope he gets the lightest sentence possible, and wish beyond wish that this beating helped him in whatever small way it is possible to help someone who has gone through something this horrific.
SapientWolf
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I don't place any blame on the guy. Counseling clearly wasn't effective for him. The priest pretty much got away with his heinous acts. All in all, society has completely failed him here. But I don't know if this is going to help his situation, mentally or otherwise. Violence has psychological costs for both the victim and the aggressor. And on top of that he's going to be put in the system.Amir0x said:
So maybe the experience healed him, but in all likelihood he's going to be in jail dealing with a mix of satisfaction, shame, and revulsion over what he did. And he'll be cut-off from the people and resources that might have been helping him cope. So now he's basically a victim twice. I don't think this was really a victory for anybody.
SapientWolf said:
It's not the act of a mentally sound man - that's the point. For him, he maybe thought it would be some sort of catharsis. I doubt it was, but who can tell. I can tell you from experience that the bullshit people say about acting out this or that anger frequently is not true - frequently it DOES make me feel better.
The point is, this priest deserved it, and this man deserved to give this beating to him, so even though he broke the law and he has to be prosecuted, I hope he gets the lightest possible sentence.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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As to the question of why it seems like priests are the worst offenders:
Typically, pedophilia/child molestation are crimes that perpetuate themselves; if you were molested as a child, you are more likely to become a molester yourself. Plus, there's a whole host of other psychological side effects, such as discomfort with the idea of sex and dating. My guess would be that the idea of a justified life of celibacy is attractive to those that have been sexually abused but that they find themselves unable to refrain from continuing the cycle when they get into that position of power. If it doesn't already, the church should probably institute some sort of psychological testing to hopefully weed out those individuals that are more likely to transgress.
Typically, pedophilia/child molestation are crimes that perpetuate themselves; if you were molested as a child, you are more likely to become a molester yourself. Plus, there's a whole host of other psychological side effects, such as discomfort with the idea of sex and dating. My guess would be that the idea of a justified life of celibacy is attractive to those that have been sexually abused but that they find themselves unable to refrain from continuing the cycle when they get into that position of power. If it doesn't already, the church should probably institute some sort of psychological testing to hopefully weed out those individuals that are more likely to transgress.
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
That has been something pointed out in Studies. Very often it was shown these offenders thought they might be able to escape their draw to the offenses etc by going into a celibate lifestyle. or Priesthood. As you said there needs to be some sort of screening process that weeds out people who have these urges and are hoping to escape them by entering such a lifestyle. I am sure there are some bad eggs who join simply because they know they can use the job to get close to potential victims but I suspect there are more people hoping to escape the cycle but cant.
Not linking Homosexuality to the abuses but studies have shown quite a few gay men enter the priesthood for the same reason. Hoping to break away from their lifestyle.
victreeb3l
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just read the update to the story on the last page and i wish the priest was tortured some more
holy fucking shit. why has this guy been left alone for so long? i wish this dude got this asswhooping earlier.
if i caught anyone with my 8 year old daughter, lord have fucking mercy.....................
holy fucking shit. why has this guy been left alone for so long? i wish this dude got this asswhooping earlier.
if i caught anyone with my 8 year old daughter, lord have fucking mercy.....................
theignoramus
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Understandable, but he should face the minimum legal consequence for it. Laws against private retribution apply to even the worst criminals. if it were otherwise, those laws would have no legitimacy.
The_Technomancer said:
Judges themselves are often arbiters. They enforce and reinforce the law of the land, but they also make hard, arbitrary choices which set precedents and shape it. Based on their intuition.
The law is nothing more than a reflection of prevailing social will, and an attempt to crystallize the ethics of the dominant culture. I suspect the majority of people in society would support lax sentencing in cases such as this - but which acts of retribution are deemed just or unjust must necessarily be determined on a case by case basis; and in practise, most cases are far less clear cut than this one. Fortunately, most people recognize that legally permitting acts of vigilanteism would create more problems than it would solve. Ideally, justice and punishment must be determined in a court of law, with all the oversight which that entails. But when a vicious criminal falls through the cracks and some noble soul redresses the balance, society breathes a sigh of relief. Because no system is perfect, and sometimes a small measure of justice is served anyway.
I hope Lynch gets the help he deserves, and the corruption within the church is ripped wide open. Child molesters should not be backed by a wealthy organization that shields them from discovery as long as it can, and then pays their bills when they get caught. Paying settlements on behalf of pedophiles with money from the collection plate may be legal, but few would deem it just.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
No, it's definitely arbitrary.The_Technomancer said:
But that's what you get when dealing with human emotions.
I know this won't exactly help anything in the now. But the 7 year old boy trapped inside that man finally got to do something, instead of just thinking "Why didn't I do something?" That 7 year old might now get some peace.
you'd think a guy who looks like that has his shit together. It really goes to show the severity and psychological impact that the sodomy has caused for the victims. Not sure if I agree with his method but you know what, that priest molested a helpless child placed under his care so I'd go as far to say he totally deserves the beatdown.
I hope the judge gives the guy some leniancy.
I hope the judge gives the guy some leniancy.
sorry to bump but NMANEWS just made a new video on this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvXbR7Whjdk&feature=sub
A weird thing to kinda make a joke out of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvXbR7Whjdk&feature=sub
A weird thing to kinda make a joke out of.
speculawyer
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Oh man . . . that sepia section was harsh.Shapingo said:
afternoon delight
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Can anyone blame him? Imagine being raped. Then, imagine being raped before you even know what sex is. And being forced to repeat it.
It's fucking revolting. I hope for a reduced sentenced.
It's fucking revolting. I hope for a reduced sentenced.
Sadly, this happens everyday and the sentences now don't call for death or severe beating, so why is it OK for a grown man to perform a premeditated "snap" after 600 grand and 35 years? It is not understandable which is why most victims don't do this.afternoon delight said:
The only good thing to come out of it is the man is crazy so a reduced sentence is possible.
The crazy thing is the priest can turn around and sue him! He may have to give back the money he won depending on the terms of the settlement. He likely faces prison time. That's a high price for a man to pay for finding the peace that was robbed from him as a kid. Hope it was worth it.Thunder Monkey said:
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