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[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

without firing a shot.

This is an example of how a firearm and conceal (or open carry) can result in an end to a situation without the weapon needing to be used to stop a crime. It's something that is not recorded in statistics and thus people who claim weapons are rarely used for self-defense omit a significant area of self defense use of a weapon.


Video at the link.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=201...bs-2-at-salt-lake-city-store&s_cid=featured-4

SALT LAKE CITY — A man stabbed two people at the Smith's Marketplace grocery store in downtown Salt Lake City before being subdued by a bystander.

The attack took place around 5:30 p.m. in the parking lot of the store at 455 S. 500 East.

According to a witness, it appears one man was stabbed in the side of the head and another was stabbed in the stomach. The exact condition of the victims is unknown, but police believe the injuries are very serious and possibly critical.

Police say a bystander with a concealed carry permit witnessed the attack and stepped in to keep it from escalating.

"(The bystander) was suspicious of what might be going on, and when he saw the stabbing, he just drew his pistol and challenged the individual," which caused the alleged attacker to lie down on the ground, said Salt Lake City Police Lt. Brian Purvis.

By the time police officers arrived on the scene, the man was subdued and is now in custody.

The attacker apparently bought the knife inside the store. Police are going over surveillance videos to determine what else the man may have done before the attack.

Police have not yet interviewed the man in custody, who they say is in his 30s, and have been unable to speak to the victims while they are being treated for their injuries.

Police say there is no apparent motive for the attack at this time.

"Just going on what the witnesses said, it appears to be random," Purvis said.

Both victims are being treated at the hospital. Their identities have not been released, but police say they were both males, one in his 40s and one in his 30s.

"This was a really volatile situation that could have gotten even worse," Purvis said. "(The bystander) was definitely in the right place at the right time

 

[DarkKyo]

This is an example of how a firearm and conceal (or open carry) can result in an end to a situation without the weapon needing to be used to stop a crime.

It's nice to hear one story where concealed firearms actually helped the world in comparison to the countless stories where it hurts the world.

 

[Barrett2]

The knife wielding madman was just standing his ground against high prices!

 

[badcrumble]

Thanks for the anecdotal evidence!

 

[Clydefrog]

It's nice to hear one story where concealed firearms actually helped the world in comparison to the countless stories where it hurts the world.

yeah this story has a lot of catching up to do to the other stories where innocents get killed

 

[Eight Diagram Bat Fighter]

Utah represent.

It's nice to hear one story where concealed firearms actually helped the world in comparison to the countless stories where it hurts the world.

Concealed hurting the world? Or just guns in general? I don't think criminals worry about taking a concealed carrier course so they can hide their gun.

 

[echoshifting]

Cool story, but using an anecdote to push this end of the agenda is just as bad as those who use the other sort of gun-related story to push their agenda. It doesn't really mean anything outside the broader picture. And of course putting that agenda right in the op will not be met with a positive response.

 

[XenoRaven]

Clearly this just means we need to ban the sale of knives.

 

[joelseph]

Well duh. Gun vs knife gun wins. If the attacker had stolen a firearm the story might have ended differently.

 

[Fenderputty]

Something something ... Chuck Norris ... something something .... has to carry a concealed permit for the guns he calls arms ... something something.

 

[unomas]

Good to see a positive story from a conceal carry case. Who knows how many more people would have been stabbed had this person not had a gun on him.

 

[Seeds]

Good thing he was only carrying a knife. We've already seen what happens when people like this have guns.

 

[Kinky John]

Clearly this just means we need to ban the sale of knives.

What did you just say?

 

[Szu]

Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

 

[starchild excalibur]

Clearly this just means we need to ban the sale of knives.

this got a chuckle out of me

 

[equap]

good. if only Zimmerman had done this also.

 

[echoshifting]

Always bring a gun to a knife fight.

Fixed

 

[daw840]

Clearly this just means we need to ban the sale of knives.

Knives used for other purposes, something something, guns only used to kill, something something

 

[(._.)]

LMAO @ people who are against concealed carry

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Knives used for other purposes, something something, guns only used to kill, something something

Guns can be used for target shooting something something Olympic event something something Awe Skeet Skeet.

 

[shinobi602]

Damn, just when I think there's no way anti-concealed can twist this one, I am blown away once again lol.

 

[Yoritomo]

Cool story, but using an anecdote to push this end of the agenda is just as bad as those who use the other sort of gun-related story to push their agenda. It doesn't really mean anything outside the broader picture. And of course putting that agenda right in the op will not be met with a positive response.

Correct. I also feel it paints the wrong picture for any argument on protecting an individuals right to carry a concealed firearm.

It is nice to have a decent story after the Zimmerman case though. The issue is that regardless of the outcome it's seen as cowboy like behavior. The story wouldn't have changed much even if he were carrying the gun illegally.

Statistically it's already been shown that those who apply for and receive a concealed carry permit are an order of magnitude less likely to commit violent crime and even more than 3 times less likely to do something like speed, which is usually seen as a somewhat inconsequential law.

The problem with guns and violence in the united states is not due to concealed carry permits or even the legality of particular weapons. It has to do with our stratified, violence glorifying culture that imprisons more of it's own citizens than any other country on earth. Treat everyone like a criminal and they will begin to meet your expectations.

Add to that fact that you are less likely to be a victim of violent crime in the US than you are in other English speaking countries (US and Australia). You are slightly more likely to be murdered if you're white and far far more likely to be murdered if you're black, here in the good ole US of A.

 

[RDreamer]

How did I know this was a Manos thread before clicking, lol.


Despite being insanely liberal I don't think I'm really against concealed carry.

 

[Az]

Subscribed.

 

[lethial]

I want a gun that shoots knives.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

CC is awesome.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

It's nice to hear one story where concealed firearms actually helped the world in comparison to the countless stories where it hurts the world.

All those criminals didn't have CC permits....

 

[DoomGyver]

I'm glad the guy held his composure and didn't shoot the attacker.

How did I know this was a Manos thread before clicking, lol.


Despite being insanely liberal I don't think I'm really against concealed carry.

Topic creator is listed just to the right of the title, duh.

 

[Az]

I want a gun that shoots knives.

I am guessing you didn't see the Chainsaw-Bazooka.

 

[jon bones]

It's nice to hear one story where concealed firearms actually helped the world in comparison to the countless stories where it hurts the world.

first reply nails it as usual. good story though, OP.

 

[daw840]

Guns can be used for target shooting something something Olympic event something something Awe Skeet Skeet.

lol

 

[Seanspeed]

without firing a shot.

This is an example of how a firearm and conceal (or open carry) can result in an end to a situation without the weapon needing to be used to stop a crime. It's something that is not recorded in statistics and thus people who claim weapons are rarely used for self-defense omit a significant area of self defense use of a weapon.

The fact that you think this is thread-worthy tells me that instances like this aren't too common.

 

[The Elite]

Good thing he was only carrying a knife. We've already seen what happens when people like this have guns.

Pretty much.

 

[Yoritomo]

It's nice to hear one story where concealed firearms actually helped the world in comparison to the countless stories where it hurts the world.

By the way this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on Neogaf.

Name any state that keeps statistics and I'll show that individuals with a concealed carry permit are far less likely than average to commit any type of crime.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Cool story, but using an anecdote to push this end of the agenda is just as bad as those who use the other sort of gun-related story to push their agenda. It doesn't really mean anything outside the broader picture. And of course putting that agenda right in the op will not be met with a positive response.

It's more an attempt to show that the outcome of having a conceal weapon doesn't have to be using the weapon. The situation can end with no shoots fired, but statistics on defensive uses of guns with no firing of the weapon aren't collected and it skews the ability to study the issue fully and that is a problem too.

I want a gun that shoots knives.

You could argue that a ballistic knife is kind of like that.

 

[(._.)]

lol

can be used for self protection also when somebody is stabbing people. lol that's useless also isn't it?

 

[echoshifting]

It's more an attempt to show that the outcome of having a conceal weapon doesn't have to be using the weapon. The situation can end with no shoots fired, but statistics on defensive uses of guns with no firing of the weapon aren't collected and it skews the ability to study the issue fully and that is a problem too.

Well, I do agree with you that those statistics should be collected, for what it's worth. It's impossible to comment on that argument without knowing how often such things actually occur.

 

[marrec]

The fact that you think this is thread-worthy tells me that instances like this aren't too common.

Lets be honest here, most of the time this story wouldn't get any play so there would be no thread. The problem, though, is that this story wouldn't get much play because there are multiple other stories about someone getting shot over something or other.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

The fact that you think this is thread-worthy tells me that instances like this aren't too common.

It's actually not uncommon, BUT if the person hand't stabbed people but threatened them with a knife and the same outcome occurred, you wouldn't be likely to hear about it. It's the occurrence of violence that generated the coverage. The lack of violence on the CCW is something that is not statistically collected or often give coverage.

Well, I do agree with you that those statistics should be collected, for what it's worth. It's impossible to comment on that argument without knowing how often such things actually occur.

That's fair enough, but that's part of the reason for posting it, to demonstrate it does occur, and it also should be collected, but if a person scares off an attacker and doesn't report it or it deters an attack, then it occurs, but isn't even possible to collect.

 

[daw840]

can be used for self protection also when somebody is stabbing people. lol that's useless also isn't it?

I think my stance on this has been misinterpreted, probably due to that post but I was really just joking. I like guns and own a few.

 

[joelseph]

It's more an attempt to show that the outcome of having a conceal weapon doesn't have to be using the weapon. The situation can end with no shoots fired, but statistics on defensive uses of guns with no firing of the weapon aren't collected and it skews the ability to study the issue fully and that is a problem too.

But wouldn't the sample be subjective? You can only collect data of something not happening where a reaction is expected?

 

[Esch]

Guns can be used for target shooting something something Olympic event something something Awe Skeet Skeet.

Knives are still useful tools whereas that is all recreation.

 

[ZZMitch]

Knives are still useful tools whereas that is all recreation.

Hunting?

 

[Yoritomo]

Well, I do agree with you that those statistics should be collected, for what it's worth. It's impossible to comment on that argument without knowing how often such things actually occur.

I have a statistic in the US crime victimization survey. Our family was a participating family and I used my firearm to diffuse a potentially violent situation one time while the survey was ongoing.

I don't even know how that's codified though.

 

[Borgnine]

This isolated incident has convinced me.

Seriously though I've stopped dozens of crimes by pointing my finger at someone while it's in my coat pocket and telling them to scram or I'll plug 'em see.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

But wouldn't the sample be subjective? You can only collect data of something not happening where a reaction is expected?

But that's the problem though, it allows for people to claim no statistical support because the effect desired occurred.

 

[UrokeJoe]

Where's the Indy gif?

 

[Deified Data]

Cool story, but using an anecdote to push this end of the agenda is just as bad as those who use the other sort of gun-related story to push their agenda. It doesn't really mean anything outside the broader picture. And of course putting that agenda right in the op will not be met with a positive response.

Everyone here has an agenda - why pretend not to?

So much negative connotations on the word "agenda", as if acting in pursuit of one's aims is a sin. "Agendas are only bad when they don't agree with mine". GAF is so ridiculous sometimes.

yeah this story has a lot of catching up to do to the other stories where innocents get killed

As if one type of story doesn't get significantly more coverage than the other. "Crime was stopped without anyone dying!" versus "Man was gutshot while robbing a liquor store!"...peace doesn't sell.

 

[way more]

Can't wait for more stories about planes successfully landing.

 

[Angry Grimace]

It's nice to hear one story where concealed firearms actually helped the world in comparison to the countless stories where it hurts the world.

Concealed Weapon Guy loves the theory that one out of 100 guys secretly packing a deadly weapon will some how end crime.