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Mass Creation, a western studio known for games like Shing, Corridor Z, and Draw Slasher, responded to an article from AUTOMATON (オートマトン), a famous Japanese video game news website. The article discusses Mass Creation's new game and how its design is so stylish and 'sexy' that many mistake it for being made in Japan.

Read the article here:

ある新作セクシーゲーム、セクシーすぎて“日本産”と勘違いされる。開発元は「ヨーロッパ産です」と訂正しつつ、気持ちはわかると謎フォロー - AUTOMATON

Mass Creationは3月14日、『Swords & Slippers』を発表した。同作があるインフルエンサーに「日本産のゲーム」と勘違いされ、スタジオが直々に訂正する不思議な一幕があった。

automaton-media.com

So Mass Creation response was this:


Oooh boy. This story kinda escalated.
To be fair - we reject the notion that fanservice is exclusive to Asia-based devs.
The West has a long (and glorious) history of edgy designs too.
C’mon western game dev - let’s bring sexy back!


The game in question is called Swords & Slippers, Check out the spicy trailer




So do you think other Western studios will accept Mass Creation’s invitation to bring sexy back, or will they continue following the Druckmann & Co. school of thought where any sexy woman in a game is seen as objectified and marginalized?

 

[San Dan Glokta]

The pendulum is swinging

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

The people who complain are not the same people who buy the products.

Know your customers and ignore those who are not your customers.

 

[Topher]

Rock on. Devs should be free to make the games they want. Nothing wrong with sexy.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Yep

Western Developers knew how to make WAIFUs too, Mass Effect, Cyberpunk 2077, The Witcher are a couple I can name that had WAIFUs in them

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

The pendulum is swinging

my pendulum is swinging

 

[ssringo]

Grimm Fairy Tale comics inspired?

That said, make sure the game is good as well.

 

[AJUMP23]

Smaller studios sure, major studios doubtful. Their internal culture is extremely woke.

 

[DenimDevil]

The fact that we've arrived at a point where fan service is a feature is pretty crazy...

 

[Lokaum D+]

 

[Kotaro]

Western devs are dominated by the left-wing rainbow group. The western industry needs to collapse so we can start over.

 

[kevboard]

he is the worst thing to ever happen to video games

 

[March Climber]

I like when people here create threads like this that promote new and different games rather than threads that simply pour gasoline onto flames.

It's good to see more enthusiasm on the enthusiast forum.

 

[Lethal01]

Girls and fan service is great when it's natural, not when it's forced in to fit an agenda

 

[San Dan Glokta]

Not girls and fan service is great when it's natural not when it's forced in to fit an agenda

 

[Magic Carpet]

Please don’t make everything a hack and slash.
Sexy up the other genres as well.

 

[March Climber]

Girls and fan service is great when it's natural not, when it's forced in to fit an agenda

Most GAF posters only like things one way. That's why it's better to simply encourage people to continue sharing new games and experiences, than to point out any blatant hypocrisy or double standards.

 

[Fess]

I think it’s over for big western studios, too many with an agenda are sitting high up in the hierarchy or have their hands tied and are forced to handle how they look to the general public and media.
But sure smaller western devs can do eye candy. It’s rare but it happens.

 

[Durin]

All that I care about is that the fan-service come with well implemented gameplay.

I'll never buy a game just for fan-service, but if you wanna make sexy and great to play ala Nier Automata/Bayonetta I'm all for it.

 

[consoul]

I didn't see a sword or slippers in that trailer.

What I did see was a rear upskirt angle shot of the heroine dragging her sparking weapon along the ground as she ran, lifted 100% from the OG Lollipop Chainsaw trailer.

And I approve.

 

[Yoboman]

I bought BMX XXX as a 10 year old and it learned sexy topless pixels didn't make a game good back then

 

[vkbest]

Girls and fan service is great when it's natural not, when it's forced in to fit an agenda

Making fan service is fully in developers/studio hands.

Making the game woke or hiring woke people for higher credit score and investors is a external factor.

They are different, maybe someday you will be mature enough to understand something as basic as that

 

[N0S]

 

[kiphalfton]

Only times tits and ass should be demonized, is if they're pancakes.

 

[mdkirby]

I think that very much depends on the next few years, and the behaviour of the right (I can’t say it feels like it’s off to a good start). If the right, or loud and popular segments of it, go too far, and become just as loud, insufferable and priggish as the left became (I’ve already seen a lot of this in gaming commentary on X), then it won’t be a moderate voice winning at the next election, it’ll be someone like AOC, at which point stuff will snap back in a heartbeat.

If the next election has a moderate win (or a Republican win) then I do think there will be sufficient time for western entertainment products to realign. Otherwise not so much.

 

[Lethal01]

Making fan service is fully in developers/studio hands.

Making the game woke or hiring woke people for higher credit score and investors is a external factor.

They are different, maybe someday you will be mature enough to understand something as basic as that

Ah yes, no developers actually want to make woke games its only due to big woke forcing them to.And no developer dislikes fanservice and only makes it cause that's their job.

The truth tons of devs simply want to add in what was added in and people who don't like it will cry and claim that they secretly hate it.

Hopefully one day your kids realize things not going their way isn't a big conspiracy

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

With an industry behemoth like Mass Creation on board it's only a matter of time before we see a complete cultural shift in western gaming.

 

[RCX]

I would certainly slipp-'er one.

Good on 'em. There's a market for T&A, just make it a good game while you're at it

 

[RCX]

Please don’t make everything a hack and slash.
Sexy up the other genres as well.

EA Sports Foxy Boxing?

 

[MALpractice311]

The game in question is called Swords & Slippers, Check out the spicy trailer

Well now, this looks like a Snow White reboot I can get behind. Figuratively and literally.

 

[BlackTron]

I think that very much depends on the next few years, and the behaviour of the right (I can’t say it feels like it’s off to a good start). If the right, or loud and popular segments of it, go too far, and become just as loud, insufferable and priggish as the left became (I’ve already seen a lot of this in gaming commentary on X), then it won’t be a moderate voice winning at the next election, it’ll be someone like AOC, at which point stuff will snap back in a heartbeat.

If the next election has a moderate win (or a Republican win) then I do think there will be sufficient time for western entertainment products to realign. Otherwise not so much.

I think they have already gone so far that they are scared shitless of what will happen should they ever lose power. Which is a bad sign we will have a dire conflict. Already insists he won three elections and is gonna show "proof", I'm sure the only way to make this right and fair is another term. Trying to stop all three would be *gasp* illegal! I'm presently making peace with everything we stand to lose, and are losing, right now, including culture. In the "best case" that we reign in tyranny, the replacement will snap so far in the other direction our society will still be extremely ill. Basically it's totalitarianism or more Biden style government. We're fucked. I want to hope for a moderate future but it feels like naive self assurance.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Ah yes, no developers actually want to make woke games its only due to big woke forcing them to.And no developer dislikes fanservice and only makes it cause that's their job.

The truth tons of devs simply want to add in what was added in and people who don't like it will cry and claim that they secretly hate it.

Hopefully one day your kids realize things not going their way isn't a big conspiracy

It doesn't matter if the devs hate it or not. What matters if their game sells and thus rewards them.

I mean, this comes back to bite me because GaaS games sell very well and I hate them. But you can't argue with the market.

There are always devs who had the wrong idea and made bad games due to personal beliefs. The most extreme being Christianity games made to basically recite bible verses that no one actually want to play.

However, in your example, the main complaint is that long running beloved franchises get hijacked by new devs who murder those old franchise by building a different game that wears the old franchise's skin as a suit. No one would have cared if the Veilguard devs had just made their own standalone game that fail on its own, rather than butchering the DragonAge franchise the way they did.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

These devs are going to be cancelled in 5..4..3..2.

 

[Branded]

Not sure what I was expecting from this thread but that Swords & Slippers game doesn't actually look half bad. Already outshines many 'serious' fantasy games from artstyle and visuals alone lol.

 

[Sept Terrion Of Nothing]

As a man I like women. As a gamer I like games. When they meet in sexy way, I like it 50 fold. What's wrong with that

By the way, it is not sexualizing. I respect women everytime, everywhere. I respect how they carry big responsibilities since eternity. I hugely respect woman who can stand on her feet by herself not dependent to any man.

But I like them man, that is simple as that

 

[mdkirby]

I think they have already gone so far that they are scared shitless of what will happen should they ever lose power. Which is a bad sign we will have a dire conflict. Already insists he won three elections and is gonna show "proof", I'm sure the only way to make this right and fair is another term. Trying to stop all three would be *gasp* illegal! I'm presently making peace with everything we stand to lose, and are losing, right now, including culture. In the "best case" that we reign in tyranny, the replacement will snap so far in the other direction our society will still be extremely ill. Basically it's totalitarianism or more Biden style government. We're fucked. I want to hope for a moderate future but it feels like naive self assurance.

I think there’s a difference between political oversteps, which is certainly happening from trumps camp, and corresponding cultural oversteps. Trump can be wildly unpopular, lose support (already has) and a moderate dem unifying candidate can run away with the next election (assuming it’s not broken beyond repair). However, cultural oversteps will bring more extreme elements of the left into ascendancy, which is what will reverse the current emerging reset within entertainment.

Whilst an interesting discussion, we’re sadly probably getting too political here.

It’s sociology and psychology as much as it is politics tho.

 

[Lethal01]

It doesn't matter if the devs hate it or not. What matters if their game sells and thus rewards them.

I mean, this comes back to bite me because GaaS games sell very well and I hate them. But you can't argue with the market.

There are always devs who had the wrong idea and made bad games due to personal beliefs. The most extreme being Christianity games made to basically recite bible verses that no one actually want to play.

However, in your example, the main complaint is that long running beloved franchises get hijacked by new devs who murder those old franchise by building a different game that wears the old franchise's skin as a suit. No one would have cared if the Veilguard devs had just made their own standalone game that fail on its own, rather than butchering the DragonAge franchise the way they did.

This is a totally difference stance than the guy I was serponding to so i don't see why you are replying to me.

He says the devs dont want this, you say it doesnt matter if they want it.

To me as long as the devs are making what they want I have no issue whether that mean huge titties or some story about a trans persons journey of self discovery.

So I'll just continue to laugh at the people getting outraged because they dont like the choices whatever game makes.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

This is a totally difference stance than the guy I was serponding to so i don't see why you are replying to me.

He says the devs dont want this, you say it doesnt matter if they want it.

To me as long as the devs are making what they want I have no issue whether that mean huge titties or some story about a trans persons journey of self discovery.

So I'll just continue to laugh at the people getting outraged because they dont like the choices whatever game makes.

No one would care that devs make bad games that don't sell.

It's these same bad devs killing franchises and even entire studios that people are objecting to. You can make whatever you want on your own dime, but DEI is instead about REPLACING beloved franchise and studios. And in many cases they outright say they hate videogames.

Look, all the crappy games will fail and die on their own. They can't shame us into buying garbage. But people get mad when you mess with their childhoods, when you are telling them the beloved franchise is going to be hijacked by those who never cared for the original. You know, like the Snow White live action remake.

 

[SHAKEZ]

I don't think they need to add fanservice, but starting to make normal to pretty looking characters instead of monstrosities would be just fine.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I don't think they need to add fanservice, but starting to make normal to pretty looking characters instead of monstrosities would be just fine.

Fanservice meant giving customers what they want. I have no idea why you think being serviced is BAD, do you tell the waiter at a restaurant to go away and you will fetch your own water?

Do you have a problem when the glass of water you ordered has a slice of lemon in it? That's service. That is a good thing. When you are being entertained, service is good. You are not in a monastery, you are not suppose to suffer to feel more holy.

 

[SHAKEZ]

Fanservice meant giving customers what they want. I have no idea why you think being serviced is BAD, do you tell the waiter at a restaurant to go away and you will fetch your own water?

Do you have a problem when the glass of water you ordered has a slice of lemon in it? That's service. That is a good thing. When you are being entertained, service is good. You are not in a monastery, you are not suppose to suffer to feel more holy.

I never said it was bad, read again.

 

[darrylgorn]

 

[Fbh]

Having more westerns simply embrace traditionally attractive characters would be a start.
I mean there's still some in the indie space and in some european teams (Baldur's Gate 3 for example). But I don't expect much from US/Canadian AAA teams

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

That's good to hear, as someone whose a western sided person by heart as I grew up with western stuff like the 2000 Justice League, 90s Spiderman and among other cartoons plus some of the comics when they still designed great female characters that actually look like female during those time and countless animated DC films after. I always thought western games could have even better looking female characters than eastern ones if they get their act together and actually toss aside the disgusting woke ideas/views and go back to normal and how things were.

Only reason why eastern games these days have better looking female characters are because the western side these recent years are making their stuff abominable and ugly on purpose. But like I said if the western side get their act together and go back to their primes than they'll have even better looking characters than the eastern games. Lots of great western comic characters look absolutely amazing and sexy when designed correctly and well. Most of the recent DC Animated films still got amazing character designs both male and female so those versions of them being in games would be perfect. It's good to see things slowly turn back to being more normal and hope it continues to go this way so we'll have great characters not just for the eastern side but also western as well.

 

[Gojiira]

I mean Triss,Keira,Yennefer,Ciri were all pretty sexy in TW3. Harley and Batgirl in Arkham. Western devs do occasionally put out sexy fem characters, but yeah it should be more.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I mean Triss,Keira,Yennefer,Ciri were all pretty sexy in TW3. Harley and Batgirl in Arkham. Western devs do occasionally put out sexy fem characters, but yeah it should be more.

Yeah Witcher 3 definitely had tons of amazing characters both in looks and characters and way more than just those main three too. Lots of the side characters were also great looking and good.

I don't think they need to add fanservice, but starting to make normal to pretty looking characters instead of monstrosities would be just fine.

Agreed as long as they don't make them abominations like what some of them have been doing these past few years like SM2 MJ, Taash, Fable etc than it's fine.

While being a guy I certainly wouldn;'t mind fanservice as no sane person should mind. But at the same time, It doesn't always need it, for example this image below of Psylocke didn't give her massive melons but she still looks extremely beautiful, sexy, and badass and even better than most games that tries to fanservice the crap out of their characters with big jugs.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

All that I care about is that the fan-service come with well implemented gameplay.

I'll never buy a game just for fan-service, but if you wanna make sexy and great to play ala Nier Automata/Bayonetta I'm all for it.

Same, I see a lot of adult Steam games on Steam since I had filters off. And I'll never like those. Even high quality ones like that Dead or Alive Bleach Volleyball/Inzo aren't for me. Being a mix of a great game plus fanservice would be the best combination like Stellar Blade.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Save us Justin! Bring sexy back!

 

[xrnzaaas]

Keep voting with your wallets. 10+ years ago I was buying games from western studios left and right and the asian titles for me were in the vast minority. Now if I spend money on a day1 release it's usually an asian game and I pretty much abandoned the western AAA market (or at least until the deep sale phase).