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http://www.nintendorks.com/editorials/archives/000659.php

statements? agree disagree? this is probably old news, but still quite amusing.

 

[cvxfreak]

I disagree with his reasoning on sales figures. SSBM continues to outsell SMS, Zelda and Prime even though Prime is cheaper, though Zelda is more expensive.

 

[Mrbob]

Well, if he is going to include Fire Emblem and Custom Robo on the Nintendo list, he might as well include Brute Force, MechWarrior, Project Gotham Racing, and Crimson Skies on the Xbox list. They all sold at a decent clip in NA.

Oh, and this is a completely stupid statement:

Soul Calibur II on the Cube outsold the Xbox and PS2 versions because of the exclusive Link addition, as you pointed out. Yet somehow you come to the conclusion that this means Nintendo fans want a new fighting game, and not that they are enamored with the Zelda franchise. If you put Link in MVP Baseball on the GameCube, it would outsell the other console versions, too. It’s not the type of game, but the character. People make connections with characters.

What a bunch of crap. This guy should try not to pwn himself constantly in this article to attack Matt.

 

[cvxfreak]

I dunno, Link IS pretty powerful and influential...

 

[GDJustin]

I agree with Matt, actually. Halo and Melee came out around the same time, and Halo is much more of a household name than any new property to come out of nintendo since the SNES days.

 

[Mrbob]

I dunno, Link IS pretty powerful and influential...

I hope you're joking in reference with MVP.

 

[NotMSRP]

It's all 'cause of his mangina I tell you!

 

[cvxfreak]

I hope you're joking in reference with MVP.

...I am, as if it weren't obvious enough.

I suppose Link would sell a few extra copies but that's it.

 

[Mejilan]

Fun read, and generally agree. Chris may go overboard a bit, but Matt's article had me chuckling in disbelief and scratching my head.

 

[SKluck]

IGN is shitty. Nintendorks is shittier.

Nintendo builds for the future while satisfying the present. It’s worked for the longest time, and it will continue to work. Trust me. Nintendo and its cohorts are focusing on the parts of its illustrious franchises that need to be released.

Wow, these guys sure are delusional. Whatever they have to tell themselves to make themselves feel better I guess.

 

[miyuru]

Matt makes a good point, and one that describes Nintendo very well - they never seem to generate enough hype, ESPECIALLY this generation. SSB:M is popular, but Halo is this gen's Goldeneye.

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

I agree with this article for the most part. SSBM sequel isn't going to mean jack shit this generation. Nintendo really needs a Halo, Killzone or Doom III to compete. Geist isn't going to cut it, I'm afraid.

 

[=W=]

Eh, I agree with Chris. But maybe that's because I think Halo is the most overrated game of all time.

 

[Andy787]

Man, I don't particularly agree or disagree with the article as a whole, but damn if that wasn't extremely well written and entertaining. That one article was probably better written than anything ever posted on IGN.

 

[The Faceless Master]

that article is almost as retarded as the one it responds to...

i can't believe i wasted time reading it...

 

[IJoel]

that article is almost as retarded as the one it responds to...

i can't believe i wasted time reading it...

 

[Sho Nuff]

that article is almost as retarded as the one it responds to...

i can't believe i wasted time reading it...

I got halfway, both parties in this instance are retarded.

 

[etiolate]

Matt makes a good point, and one that describes Nintendo very well - they never seem to generate enough hype, ESPECIALLY this generation. SSB:M is popular, but Halo is this gen's Goldeneye.

Sometimes this forum makes me hurt. GTA3 would be more a Goldeneye type deal. Halo was just simply the only good game amongst mediocrity for a long while. I am sure that idea irritates many here, but multiplatform games have constantly been the big sellers on Xbox, with Halo being one of the few true exclusives to sell well. Most of the other first party stuff has bombed along with the sega exclusives. The majority of xbox owners buy Halo and what they would otherwise get for PS2. SSB:M 2 wouldn't generate Halo type hype because it is not like those games. Zelda does create huge hype, because it has surpassed Mario in popularity amongst Nintendo franchises.

 

[MetatronM]

Zelda is the only thing Nintendo has in its repetoire to create real hype these days (at least for the Gamecube). Super Smash can bring in the sales, but it doesn't really create much a hype machine.

Regardless, I think you wait at least one more year before doing another Smash Bros. game, and at that point, we're gonna be looking ahead to the next gen, so it may just be best served as a major launch title. Of course, they MUST have a Mario title for launch too (I think they've adequately proven by now what happens to their machine and Mario's image when they DON'T lead off with him), so maybe Smash Bros. will have to wait even longer.

The point is that both Matt IGN and Nintendorks are both living in fantasy worlds. They just happen to be different fantasy worlds.

 

[Subitai]

I agree with Matt more or less, but this guy did bring up a good point about how Zelda will probably age better than Halo 2. As good as Halo 2's story might be, I don't know if FPS fans will go back and play it again for that the way RPG fans do.

 

[miyuru]

I agree with Matt more or less, but this guy did bring up a good point about how Zelda will probably age better than Halo 2. As good as Halo 2's story might be, I don't know if FPS fans will go back and play it again for that the way RPG fans do.

Really? People still play relatively old FPS titles in multiplayer.

But talking from a singleplayer perspective, I dunno, but IMO Halo 2 will age as well as any Zelda title.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

This article is wrong in so many points i am lazy to point them out,the amount of ignorance bigger then the one that killed Rome.

The best part:


"I know this Halo 2 thing bothers you, Matt. Don’t worry about it. In ten years, people will still be playing Zelda. If the Halo franchise is doing half as well Zelda, and if it is not just a memory, then that will be a tremendous achievement. If you had bothered to ask which is more important, a 27 year old buying Halo or a 7 year old buying Super Mario Sunshine, I would have answered the latter. I was once a 7 year old, sitting on the floor in front of my TV, jumping and swaying with the action as I navigated a portly plumber over pipes and chasms. I’m still doing that today, although not necessarily on the floor, and in 15 years, that child will still be playing Mario at the age of 22. I somehow doubt the 42 year old will still be playing Halo. "

Most XB/PS2 owners were playing Zelda and Mario as kids.

 

[Nintendo Ate My Children]

The most interesting thing about this article, regardless of who's right and who's wrong, is that some dude working for a fansite is a far better writer than anyone at IGN. I almost feel embarrassed for the poor IGN schmucks.

 

[Mairu]

I agree with Matt more or less, but this guy did bring up a good point about how Zelda will probably age better than Halo 2. As good as Halo 2's story might be, I don't know if FPS fans will go back and play it again for that the way RPG fans do.

This guy made a lot of stupid points.

And a lot of people still play Quake 1 even today, so I don't think that's correct

 

[aku:jiki]

Man, I don't particularly agree or disagree with the article as a whole, but damn if that wasn't extremely well written and entertaining. That one article was probably better written than anything ever posted on IGN.

Pretty much the opposite of what I was going to type.

I thought it read like frothing, raving fanboy bullshit -- ie, crap.

(More technically speaking, he repeats himself a lot and doesn't really get to a real point, if you ask me. He typed a whole lot without managing to say much.)

 

[stonedwal]

One of the weakest editorials I've read to date. His main points are either fundementally flawed or really weak, and the piece was poorly written. He also needed to spend longer on his fact checking and back up his points with stronger evidence.

I don't agree with either party.

 

[Drinky Crow]

What a retarded article. If Matt was pwn3d, it was simply because his name was mentioned several times in that illogical mess of fanboy dreck.

 

[Blackace]

ok really... what the hell was that? That guy needs to be beaten with a thin plastic rod in front of his mother for being so f^&(ing lame... disagree... fine.... but his rant about Nintensdo's rehashed (which I still love) franchises was the most mind numbing reading I have read in quite a long time..... man! some times the Internet makes the world a worse place....

 

[Musashi Wins!]

snore.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Heh. It'd be interesting to see if Matt responds to this, a la Mary Jane responding to Penny Arcade.

 

[Vargas]

"I know this Halo 2 thing bothers you, Matt. Don’t worry about it. In ten years, people will still be playing Zelda. If the Halo franchise is doing half as well Zelda, and if it is not just a memory, then that will be a tremendous achievement. If you had bothered to ask which is more important, a 27 year old buying Halo or a 7 year old buying Super Mario Sunshine, I would have answered the latter. I was once a 7 year old, sitting on the floor in front of my TV, jumping and swaying with the action as I navigated a portly plumber over pipes and chasms. I’m still doing that today, although not necessarily on the floor, and in 15 years, that child will still be playing Mario at the age of 22. I somehow doubt the 42 year old will still be playing Halo. "

People said the samething about Mortal Kombat and here it is being the second best selling fighter this gen. People have also said that GTA won't be around for 10 years either.

 

[Ristamar]

People said the samething about Mortal Kombat and here it is being the second best selling fighter this gen. People have also said that GTA won't be around for 10 years either.

Not that I'm disagreeing with the point you're trying to make, but the title "second best selling fighter" doesn't quite pack the punch it used to since the genre has mostly fallen off the mainstream map.

 

[Vargas]

You have a point there.

 

[ge-man]

I thought Matt's article was dumb, but this one barely touches upon those things that I thought were wrong.

 

[Littleberu]

This guy made a lot of stupid points.

And a lot of people still play Quake 1 even today, so I don't think that's correct

Yeah, and you know many people still playing Goldeneye 64?

 

[Deg]

I always give this sort of stuff a pass. Not worth even looking at.

 

[rastex]

No, because there are no online statistics to track like Gamespy has for Quake. Anything anybody says is pure conjecture and wishful thinking.

edit: to Littlebru

 

[God's Hand]

That was a pretty dumb editorial. It was boring, didn't bring up any real points... it just plain sucked. There's a reason why fan sites aren't popular anymore...

 

[DrDogg]

IGN's article was wrong IMO because I would rather have an online SSB launch with the Revolution than have an offline SSB hit the Cube sometime next year.

I think Nintendo realizes that they can't do too much more this round. They've got Metroid, Zelda, and a few other titles lineup up, but with Xbox 2 launching in late 2005 (more than likely), Nintendo needs to be looking at the launch of the Revolution as well. Launching with Mario and SSB Online would really be nice.

Nintendorks completely ignores Smash... I thought that article was pretty pointless. I also don't see anything on GCN outselling Halo 2.

 

[TheDiave]

Well, Matt is a self-righteous jackass, so I'm gonna have to agree with this fellow.

And Halo is overrated.

 

[CrimsonSkies]

The difference is Halo was created this gen and Nintendo has no rival for it. Everything Nintendo has that it is the same league in terms of popularity was created in the 80's (was Pokemon in the 90's?). Halo is this gens new big thing. Maybe Microsoft will never have another IP that's on the same level, but that's a pretty interesting accomplishment given the current market.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Pokemon was 90s.

 

[Deg]

Halo is this gens new big thing. .

I'm still betting on GTASA and GT4 to outsell easily

 

[CrimsonSkies]

Perhaps. However both games got their start last gen.

 

[Asskicker064]

Well, Matt is a self-righteous jackass, so I'm gonna have to agree with this fellow.

And Halo is overrated.

Chris is also a self-righteous jackass.

I can't believe people still go to Nintendorks.

 

[Ulairi]

That is a poorly thought out column that isn't backed up by facts. It is a fanboy rant, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Socreges]

Chris is also a self-righteous jackass.

I can't believe people still go to Nintendorks.

I remember you!

Nintendorks hasn't been the same since it went down for several months in 2001. Even the message board (Plinko) is utterly self-righteous.

 

[Kefkaff]

Yea... Nintendorks is fucking retarded. I stopped going there a long time ago.

 

[ElyrionX]

Halo is waaaaay overrated and so is Halo 2. The only reason why Halo sold so well was probably due to the fact that it is the first mainstream FPS game to hit the consoles and it was a launch title. Ask any seasoned PC gamer what he/she thinks of Halo and I'm pretty sure the word "overrated" will inevitably pop you........

Anyway, I don't think the author of that Nintendorks article really meant it when he came to the part about Link and MVP baseball. I believe it was just a statement meant to illustrate his point. After all, his point about Link being the sole reason for the GC version of SC2 outselling all the other console versions is quite valid. I think some of you guys take things too literally........

 

[Ulairi]

Sites like that publish articles to gain traffic. They cannot compete with larger sites without internet buzz.