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Media Create Sales: Week 20, 2014 (May 12 - May 18)

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Vashetti

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Darius said:
I don´t understand PS4s sales, considering this time it has no competition in Japan...
Let´s be clear, it is tracking behind WiiU by a fairly big amount.

PSV sales are really bad as well and looking like they are heading towards sub 10k units.
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There's no attractive software for the Japanese.
 
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Psycho_Mantis

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Chindogg said:
My post states that PS3 sales of the same games you're championing squashed the hell out of the PS4 versions. There's very little right now that sets PS4 apart as a must have console. That's why I agreed that it's built on hype.

It's about new games, not the same ones on previous gen systems.



The majority of that ratio is previous gen titles, Knack, or Killzone. None of those numbers specifically are anywhere near the amount of PS4 hardware sold.

Also, for one of the biggest launches ever in scope of sales, 3 is kinda disheartening. Fucking Wii U has a 5 attach rate and that system's all but dead.
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3 is good considering the size of PS4's install base and how quickly its been selling. Tie ratios increase over time.

PS4 after 6 months has sold 20.5 million units of software.
WiiU after 18 months has sold 32.3 million units of software.

Also what is up with you guys. It doesn't matter if its a last gen, multiplatform or some game you don't like. The fact is people people are buying games for the PS4 and quite a of them.
 
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Muzy72

Banned
Will companies even bother releasing consoles in Japan anymore? Seems like Japan only cares for smartphone games and to an extent Nintendo handhelds.
 
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StoopKid

Member
Chindogg said:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20988
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Isn't this from 2008 ?

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Parakeetman

No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Darius said:
I don´t understand PS4s sales, considering this time it has no competition in Japan...
Let´s be clear, it is tracking behind WiiU by a fairly big amount.

PSV sales are really bad as well and looking like they are heading towards sub 10k units.
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The obvious answer is that there is nothing the mass market gives a shit about which would get them to pick up a system.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Competition or not is irrelevant, the problem is there is nothing the average consumer wants.

One thing for sure though is with how a lot of devs have already stated its easier to work with the PS4 than the PS3 that will help a lot make the move over faster.

PSV I would expect sales to pick up around the 5th of June with folks buying one for Freedom Wars. But at the same time others might wait to hear day 1 word of mouth. It will be interesting to see if advertising is strongly ramped up next week considering the games release is not that far away and they need to hype it up more here. Showing off the thorn system to play off the popularity of Attack on Titan would most def be the way to go. The art style is fine as is, so they will have to capture peoples attention with the gameplay mechanics that the average consumer can relate to.

To be more correct back on the point of lack of software on the PS4, it kinda kicked itself in the ass with too many domestic cross platform titles instead of exclusives. Which means folks who had a PS3 figured Ill save myself 40,000 JPY by buying the PS3 version over buying a PS4 and the PS4 version. Though the upside is some of the PS3 games came with the ability to upgrade to a PS4 version for 1,000 JPY. Similar to what some titles did in the US. So folks eventually can switch over if they want.

But anyways the cross-platform bit worked against them here.
 
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pixelbox

Member
prag16 said:
Show me a SINGLE person here that is rooting for and/or celebrating PS4 failure.

People were accused of rooting for and/or celebrating Wii U failure in the past (a lot of that groundless I'd say even if a little bit of schadenfreude was detectable), and the PS4 talk has been pretty tame compared to that.

These topics are better when they are mostly devoid of console warz and/or fanboy b.s.
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If you can't point it out then I don't know what to tell you. The Wii U suffers from multiple issues like branding, price, games that are too similar to 3DS games with higher prices... I mean, really. The issue is not mobile games or lack of interest, it's simply poor games.
 
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gundamkyoukai

Member
Green Slime said:
I don't think the average CoD player is going to pay $400 - $500 to play slightly prettier CoD, especially when also available on systems they already own.
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You have to look at the numbers lets say that 20% of the COD players are hardcore.
They want to play best version of the game along with all the other system features next gen has .
20% of COD base is 3 million plus depending on how much COD sell that year that leaves 12 million averages players that did not upgrade yet .
Takes MGS5 sales in Japan 1\3 of people bought it on next gen cause they wanted better version .

Chindogg said:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20988
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That is for 23 month US only and that before we take into account free games , F2P titles which PS3 did not have .
 
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Chindogg

Member
Oh FFS

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Better? This is the best I can come up with this quickly. It's NPD from Sept 2007-Feb 2008.

StoopKid said:
Isn't this from 2008 ?
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Comparing a similar period of time between PS3's launch and PS4's launch.

If I do PS3's complete lifetime its something like 8 or 9.
 
Metallix87

Metallix87

Member
gundamkyoukai said:
You have to look at the numbers lets say that 20% of the COD players are hardcore.
They want to play best version of the game along with all the other system features next gen has .
20% of COD base is 3 million plus depending on how much COD sell that year that leaves 12 million averages players that did not upgrade yet .
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Again, if those hardcore fans really want the best experience and features, they'd be playing on PC.
 
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Shmuely Bully

Member
StoopKid said:
Isn't this from 2008 ?

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Yes. This thread's article says that PS3 had a tie ratio of 1.5 near launch and this article says it had a tie ratio of 0.98 near launch in Japan.

pixelbox said:
There's a market for Japanese games and their games are being transformed into western games. Make what you are strong at and refine it.
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Yakuza is the most western-friendly game to come out of Japan in awhile (as far as themes and gameplay) and it has done bubkis in sales. Japanese publishers may be releasing western games, but they're being made by western developers.

The Japanese devs themselves are making things like Atelier and I question how much of a market there is for those in the west. Fighting games are one of the only genres fully Japanese-developed games are still important in and if they pull too many moves like Soulcalibur: Lost Swords and Tekken Revolution they'll lose that one too.
 
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pixelbox

Member
Shmuely Bully said:
Japan is an aging and dying country with a zombie economy. Their problem is that they're focusing too much on the wants of Japan instead of actually making things that translate well. At the same time that anime has had its popularity collapse in the west Japanese games have become even more stylized and ecchi as they chase a shrinking market of middle-aged Japanese men who remember their school days fondly.

They might be able to grow the Japanese market again (or at least maintain it) if they actually made anything new or even bothered to support new platforms, but they refuse to take chances and as such only have themselves to blame.
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There's a market for Japanese games and their games are being transformed into western games. Make what you are strong at and refine it.
 
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theprodigy

Member
Chindogg said:
Oh FFS

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Better? This is the best I can come up with this quickly. It's NPD from Sept 2007-Feb 2008.



Comparing a similar period of time between PS3's launch and PS4's launch.

If I do PS3's complete lifetime its something like 8 or 9.
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September 2007 is still 11 months in, and we haven't even gotten there yet for PS4
not to mention we actually HAVE worldwide tie ratios for the PS3 at launch, and they were garbage
 
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Otakumegane

Member
I don't know if the Japanese gamers are really smart for not falling for hype and no software or really stupid for going all-in on mobile.

Nintendo's "shared hardware" should be good for getting some of those Japanese handheld games to consoles here if upporting is as easy as I hope (and if they aren't doomed by then)
 
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Parakeetman

No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Otakumegane said:
I don't know if the Japanese gamers are really smart for not falling for hype and no software or really stupid for going all-in on mobile.

Nintendo's "shared hardware" should be good for getting some of those Japanese handheld games to consoles here if upporting is as easy as I hope (and if they aren't doomed by then)
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play whats simple and quick not to mention does not require any extra investments in hardware / software. everything on a single device with lots of f2p titles.

pretty hard to combat that really. only thing you can do is just make games that attract their attention.
 
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gundamkyoukai

Member
Green Slime said:
Again, if those hardcore fans really want the best experience and features, they'd be playing on PC.
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Okay are you just trolling me now ?
The COD fanbase is not on PC hardcore or average person , it's a consoles series.
The fan base don't care about PC just like million of other gamers out there .
The want the best consoles version cause they are consoles players .
 
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test_account

XP-39C²
It seems that everyone agrees that the PS4 is selling like it is doing in the west is because of the games at least, regardless if we're talking about excisting or upcoming games.


Parakeetman said:
One thing for sure is the eco-system that Sony set up with PS+ being the gateway for the online MP and such made it easier to swallow paying for the monthly fees vs MS. Not to mention how PS+ ties into pretty much everything with the Sony ecosystem. I think that was a huge part of the hype too which also eased the fact that it went MP = monthly fee.
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Yeah, definitelly.
 
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SkeptiMism

Member
L Thammy said:
Again, there's an area between total optimism and total pessimism. In Japan, PS4 probably won't do as well as the PS3 in the long run, and that isn't anything to be proud of. The amount of time that the PS4 lies dead on the shelf will likely cause some of the PS3's userbase to move away from consoles completely, unlikely to ever return. But the fact remains that there is still major support coming, and while it's not going to save us from the mobile menace, it's likely going to improve the situation.
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You're right, I was being too pessimistic.

But indeed, I'm still not expecting much even with the games coming.
 
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gundamkyoukai

Member
Parakeetman said:
play whats simple and quick not to mention does not require any extra investments in hardware / software. everything on a single device with lots of f2p titles.

pretty hard to combat that really. only thing you can do is just make games that attract their attention.
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The Japanese game market is run by a huge amount of old people that scared of doing anything along with being slow to change or looking for a easy fix .
The sad thing is unlike the west there is no new blood coming into the industry , when was last time hear about upcoming people in Japan .
Now i not saying don't make games for Mobile everyone does it but unlike West there big companies putting all there eggs in one basket , EA makes games for everything for eg
Also when they do go to mobile they also have compete with big boys there so it's not like going to be easy .
 
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Mikro

Neo Member
Green Slime said:
I'm not suggesting they don't do huge numbers, I'm just dounting if people bought new hardware specifically to play slightly prettier versions of games they can get on their current hardware.
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If this is true, why is it that according to this page the PS4 has the highest number of active online players for Battlefied 4 currently, even more than any other platform.

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For posterity, picture was taken at 8pm BST

These online players are the ones who play these 3rd party games for significant periods of time, and I believe they feel that the increased graphics make the new versions worth buying.
 
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Shmuely Bully

Member
Mikro said:
If this is true, why is it that according to this page the PS4 has the highest number of active online players for Battlefied 4 currently, even more than any other platform.

These online players are the ones who play these 3rd party games for significant periods of time, and I believe they feel that the increased graphics make the new versions worth buying.
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The FPS genre in particular benefits from improved resolution which is something the PS4 offers in every FPS game released to date (compared to PS3). I'm pretty sure Green Slime is just trying to find a way to justify his (?) consoles=dead everywhere narrative.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
theprodigy said:
if possible, do a comparison with the gen before, I'm pretty sure the console side will be well down from 6th gen (3DS+Vita will be up over GBA though, I think...)
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Current generation:

Nintendo 3DS - 15.604.986 (+23,97%)
PlayStation Vita - 2.821.344
Nintendo Wii U - 1.741.818 (-16,90%)
PlayStation 4 - 569.400 (-66,70%)
Xbox One - Not released yet

Sixth generation:

Game Boy Advance - 12.587.797
GameCube - 2.095.978
PlayStation 2 - 1.709.875
Xbox -

Dreamcast - 1.924.662 LTD (2.250.000 shipped)
WonderSwan - 1.764.488 LTD (3.000.000 shipped)
Neo Geo Pocket - 311.315 LTD (500.000 shipped)

These 3 systems are clearly undertracked, especially WonderSwan.

Source: Famitsu
 
prag16

prag16

Banned
pixelbox said:
If you can't point it out then I don't know what to tell you. The Wii U suffers from multiple issues like branding, price, games that are too similar to 3DS games with higher prices... I mean, really. The issue is not mobile games or lack of interest, it's simply poor games.
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Not to get into this again, but like the guy who allegedly ignore-listed me, are you also contending that Wii U related thread shitting is/was somehow justifiable, but that PS4 related thread shitting is a no-no?
 
Metallix87

Metallix87

Member
suppadoopa said:
C'mon man.

Do you honestly think the CoD userbase cares about PC?

The CoD userbase is way much "different" than the peeps who play CS, BF, etc
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I'm not saying they care about PC, I'm saying they most likely don't care about better tech at all, new consoles included. They're not the hardcore that need the best visuals and features.
 
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Fularu

Banned
RalchAC said:
NES to Super NES looks like a succesor. The same can be said about PSOne to PS2 to PS3. Xbox to 360 is weirder.

But nothing comes close to Wii to Wii U. Especially when Nintendo has released a whole brand of accesories with Wii as part of their name

Wii Balance Board
Wii MotionPlus
Wii Remote
Wii Speak
Wii Wheel
Wii Zapper

Are some that I can remember. And there is software with that name (Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Party). I don't find it weird.

If it was called "Wii 2" or "Super Wii" there won't be as much confusion. As it is now, people could easily think the GamePad is an accesory.
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Most of the casuals around me who had a Wii know that the U is a new console, they're just not interested to upgrade. They play their Wii games and are happy with them. They just don't see a compeling enough reason to spend 250/300$ just to get "better tech".
 
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SlipperySlope

Banned
shinra-bansho said:
It has struggled globally pretty much since launch. It has struggled in the absence of games. It has struggled in the presence of games. It has struggled at the old price. It has struggled at the current price. It struggles because it doesn't offer compelling perceived value, part of that is the lack of regular software releases - but not all. As two other platforms have just released and have had a dearth of software, and are not struggling.
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Have you seen last month's NPD numbers? Nobody is doing particularly well.
 
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RalchAC

Member
Fularu said:
Most of the casuals around me who had a Wii know that the U is a new console, they're just not interested to upgrade. They play their Wii games and are happy with them. They just don't see a compeling enough reason to spend 250/300$ just to get "better tech".
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Yeah, I think after the Christmas 2013 (SM3DW) marketing campaign the general public now knows what a WiiU is. Still, they've been a little late on that front.
 
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pixelbox

Member
Personally, the only way Japan could be save is if they go back to making RPGs. Specifically, If Sony could co-develop FF7 and announce it at E3, this might do the trick :p
 
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Fularu

Banned
pixelbox said:
Personally, the only way Japan could be save is if they go back to making RPGs. Specifically, If Sony could co-develop FF7 and announce it at E3, this might do the trick :p
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Japan never stopped making RPG games. They're just beeing done for portables.

There are no systems with more rpgs than the DS and the PSP, not even the SFC or the PSOne.
 
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