I didn't even know it actually got released lol. Thought it was still being made.
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I didn't even know it actually got released lol. Thought it was still being made.
Jarod McChicken
Member
Nope, but their next results are published tomorrow, so maybe they will reveal a target, since the game is planned for this fiscal year. Although that might be a little soon.
kuroneko0509
Member
I thought it already closed down..... lol
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
With the PS4 selling so well (2017 could be a 20mil year) there is no way Sony or third parties are looking for a quick PS5 transition. I would say 2020+ as well.
It will definitely give an indication of the ceiling for PS4 games. I mean look how the YSO predictions for DQ11 on PS4 have already influenced how people think MHW is going to sell on PS4: before very few if any reckoned it would be a million seller.
Moor-Angol
Banned
People here can be influenced very easily, look at last week about Splatoon 2 opening at 1 mln
I don't think there's any good reason for either Sony or Microsoft to push their next-gen consoles before 2020. Even though the PS4/XBone have been out for almost 4 years now, in many ways it feels like the generation has just started, due to all the cross-gen titles, remasters, and extended development cycles. Not to mention they both just released or are about to release mid-gen upgrades. And considering both of their consoles are still selling just fine, I don't see what the motivation to quickly jump to the next gen would be.
I am actually surprised it is alive this long lol. Even S-E killed their flopping title muxh faster lol.
Jarod McChicken
Member
I'm having doubts now, I forgot about the 2 millions mystery game. Back then I really though Capcom was going to announce DMC5 (or Dragon's Dogma 2 in my dreams) at E3. We will check the report tomorrow anyway but yeah it could be MH World then. Shipping 1 million in Japan and another million for the rest of the world should not be impossible.
What is successful for Capcom on mobile will likely get axed by a bigger company like SE - SE can afford to only keep their big games going and try out alot of new stuff meanwhile Capcom is struggling alot in that space.
Keeping something like BoF6 alive for so long means they really didnt have anything else better lined up to use their resources on.
D.Lo
Member
in the past, generations were kickstarted by a losing company keen for a reset. See the Mega Drive, Dreamcast, Xbox 360 etc. A new generation is a way to reset the dial and start building a user base. The Mega Drive and 360 literally only did what they did because of this.
But now with Microsoft and Sony essentially having muscled out any new entry by pouting billions of losses upon losses to build their brands, and Nintendo having been forced to be innovative to compete, that paradigm has been nerfed.
I was sure the Xb1X would be a new gen for this reason, MS taking their shot at a reset. It would have at least had a clear position if they did that.
Capcom isn't aiming only for 2m, where does this come from? They forecast big sales outside Japan. They wouldn't even bother with so low target.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Regarding the whole million seller argument on PS4. I decided to see how many games managed to sell million/half million on PS3/PS4 so to see how they compare in term of large hits. Source is GameDataLibrary/Famitsu.
PS3
1 Million and above
500K and above
PS4
1 Million and above (Digital included)
500K and above
So far, the PS4 hasn't really hit its stride in term of half million sellers. It was hurt by the release of multiplatform games which divided the numbers for games that were released earlier in the PS4 life cycle. This wasn't the case for PS3 with Tales of, Yakuza and other games all being exclusives to the platform. Yakuza 6 was the first proper exclusive on PS4 but by then, the series was already on a decline. Dragon Quest spin-offs were also all multiplatform which didn't really help in securing big hitters on a single platform. Same is the case for Persona 5 being on PS3/PS4.
I think this time is crucial for PS4 as it is slowly starting to ditch cross-gen games with Monster Hunter World, Dragon Quest XI (PS4 version is unique on its own) and the upcoming Tales of (just as assumption for now).
PS3
1 Million and above
Code:
Final Fantasy XIII [All Versions] 1.516.532 1.967.887 1.967.887 0 Square Enix 17/12/2009
Resident Evil 5 [All Versions] 321.670 1.041.195 1.041.195 0 Capcom 05/03/2009500K and above
Code:
Final Fantasy XIII-2 [All Versions] 605.660 940.269 940.269 0 Square Enix 15/12/2011
Grand Theft Auto V [All Versions] 304.752 885.168 880.877 4.291 Take-Two Interactive Japan 10/10/2013
Resident Evil 6 [All Versions] 643.802 866.735 866.735 0 Capcom 04/10/2012
One Piece: Pirate Warriors 627.214 828.132 828.132 0 Bandai Namco 01/03/2012
Gran Turismo 5 [All Versions] 410.486 731.164 731.164 0 SCE 25/11/2010
Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds [All Versions] 175.750 714.111 714.111 0 SCE 26/07/2007
Dragon's Dogma [All Versions] 302.590 687.932 687.932 0 Capcom 24/05/2012
Tales of Xillia 512.544 670.182 670.182 0 Bandai Namco 08/09/2011
Yakuza 4 [All Versions] 395.123 657.458 657.458 0 SEGA 18/03/2010
World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 [All Versions] 234.508 648.594 641.712 6.882 Konami 05/11/2009
Yakuza 3 [All Versions] 356.867 632.317 632.317 0 SEGA 26/02/2009
Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage [All Versions] 385.551 591.422 591.422 0 Koei 25/03/2010
Yakuza 5 [All Versions] 363.717 586.889 586.889 0 SEGA 06/12/2012
Call of Duty: Black Ops II [All Versions] 223.344 575.373 575.373 0 Square Enix 22/11/2012
Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs. [All Versions] 345.053 555.160 555.160 0 Bandai Namco 01/12/2011
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue [All Versions] 108.040 533.752 533.752 0 SCE 13/12/2007PS4
1 Million and above (Digital included)
Code:
Final Fantasy XV 716.649 1.084.842 992.453 92.389 Square Enix 29/11/2016500K and above
Code:
Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition 5.680 513.244 229.785 283.459 SCE 03/12/2015
Grand Theft Auto V [All Versions] 73.167 506.274 470.507 35.767 Take-Two Interactive Japan 11/12/2014
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain [All Versions] 315.288 503.748 445.000 58.748 Konami 02/09/2015So far, the PS4 hasn't really hit its stride in term of half million sellers. It was hurt by the release of multiplatform games which divided the numbers for games that were released earlier in the PS4 life cycle. This wasn't the case for PS3 with Tales of, Yakuza and other games all being exclusives to the platform. Yakuza 6 was the first proper exclusive on PS4 but by then, the series was already on a decline. Dragon Quest spin-offs were also all multiplatform which didn't really help in securing big hitters on a single platform. Same is the case for Persona 5 being on PS3/PS4.
I think this time is crucial for PS4 as it is slowly starting to ditch cross-gen games with Monster Hunter World, Dragon Quest XI (PS4 version is unique on its own) and the upcoming Tales of (just as assumption for now).
The thing is, while MS is clearly losing to Sony worldwide, they're not doing badly. They'll always be an also-ran in Europe and nonexistent in Asia, but they have a strong base of support in America. So they don't really have that much of a motivation to reset, because there's not much for them to change.
The only countries MS is relevant are the English speaking. It is nonexistent at almost the entire Europe. Big North America market is what keeps XBox alive anymore.
They had an unannounced game planned for this FY supposed to sell 2M, and it's not MHXXHD. I don't see it being anything else than MHW.
Unless they have a surprise game under their coat.
There wasn't a 2m anywhere. Japanese and western forecast for total software was too high to be covered from the known titles.
Dengeki has Switch even lower: 93k. Splatoon at 646k (65% sell-through). Layton's Mystery Journey at 72k with 75% sell-through.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/565/1565896/
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/565/1565896/
It's a recent phenomenon that Japanese developers put their games on consoles that don't even push million sellers in Japan.
Yup, their forecast only mentions "major title", but doesn't have sales target.
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/explanation/2016/full/explanation_2016_full_01.pdf
How many times have we discussed that already? Ha ha.
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By the way, the 2m everyone is so focused on was for MHXX... and we all know how that turned out.
The_lascar
Member
We should get the 2017 H1 top 100 from Famitsu this week, right?
I don't know why people are saying that. It's unannounced but they never put any sales figures to the forecast for it.
I think you'll see a 3-4m tomorrow.
It doesn't make any difference for retailers, it's not Final Fantasy. Even if they expected more at first week this was better than having a Splatoon 1 complete sell-out situation again.
They will sold that first shipping out in just August.
Better than piss customers for not having enough....
It's depends too much on the availability of a stationary display and a power outlet for playing games.
Nioh sold over 500,000 in Asia (including Japan) https://www.famitsu.com/news/201707/27138560.html
Jarod McChicken
Member
Maybe we could see a return of "conservative Capcom" and have a 2.5m forecast for MHW for the FY.
Does MHW have an specific release date?? (I remember something like early 2018).
I have a question, maybe Chris or others can help with it.
3DS has sold 23-24 milions, Obviously this sales are mainly because it has good games and Nintendo games.
My question is about another point that I'm not sure if it is currently affecting those huge sales and it is all the models 3DS has. We have 3ds, 3ds LL, n3ds, n3ds LL, 2ds, N2ds, etc.
I think all the models helped a bit to sell more consoles to the same demographic (basically same people), i mean, me for example, I have 2 regular 3ds (first model), a N3ds model (ambassador model) and a N3ds XL model (bought in Japan when I was there) and maybe I will get a N2DS LL too for my collection. And to be franky i'm not a handheld guy XD.
I believe that Switch don't have all this kind of models/upgrades on his lifespan, maybe another one smaller but I don't see many options to enforce people to buy another system to replace the first one.
How can this affect the total sales of the machine in Japan?
3DS has sold 23-24 milions, Obviously this sales are mainly because it has good games and Nintendo games.
My question is about another point that I'm not sure if it is currently affecting those huge sales and it is all the models 3DS has. We have 3ds, 3ds LL, n3ds, n3ds LL, 2ds, N2ds, etc.
I think all the models helped a bit to sell more consoles to the same demographic (basically same people), i mean, me for example, I have 2 regular 3ds (first model), a N3ds model (ambassador model) and a N3ds XL model (bought in Japan when I was there) and maybe I will get a N2DS LL too for my collection. And to be franky i'm not a handheld guy XD.
I believe that Switch don't have all this kind of models/upgrades on his lifespan, maybe another one smaller but I don't see many options to enforce people to buy another system to replace the first one.
How can this affect the total sales of the machine in Japan?
Sammy Samusu
Member
I wouldn't say that RE5 sold 1 million but ok.
D.Lo
Member
Nope.
Wii U has eight half million sellers in Japan, three are million sellers, and one a 1.5 million seller.
That made me wonder if we could find TV sales to get an idea of the TV install base static home consoles require. A quick google unearthed this:
US:
Number of households: ~125.82 mio (2016)
Sales of TVs: ~34.2 mio in 2015
-> a new TV in 2015 for every ~3.68th household
Japan:
Number of households: ~51.88 mio (2015)
Sales of TVs: ~5,44 mio in 2015
-> a new TV in 2015 for every ~9.54th household
Hardly earth shattering statement I'm sure, but clearly TVs are niche in Japan.
You could play many games on the gamepad without any TV already.
I fully expect Nintendo Switch to have revisions (maybe not as many as 3DS, that one really was something else tbh), so there's that.
And given the trend for mid-gen upgrades (something Nintendo actually did "first"), and Nintendo comments about form factors, iOS/Android inspirations, etc., I fully expect significant "revisions" (aka: not just different design/smaller form factor).
But that's because Wii U owners were starved for content! /s
That shows how "million sellers" metric is irrelevant.
Why not?
NintendosBooger
Member
Not for the games being sold and the publishers who produce them.
Did you see forecast for NA and EU this FY? More likely is you'll see a crazy Capcom.
Let's not forget they think MH is held back from handhelds.
I expect the smaller form factor too.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Because that's the sum of 5 + Gold + Selection.
They are different imo, and shouldn't be put all together in the same basket.
Yep, every developer when they make a game thinks "we don't want to sell a million of this game in Japan".
Why they ignored Wii U then? Look how successful that console was! 3 "million sellers" - more than on PS4/Vita combined
Gold is Resident Evil 5 + DLC. Of cource you can add them. Selection represents only 25k of these numbers.
D.Lo
Member
How is that?
In Japan, of the top ten best selling games of the PS4/Wii U generation, eight are on Wii U.
I seriously don't think home consoles are are unloved in Japan as many suggest. Just PS3, Wii U and PS4 are. What was the last non-western focused non-stupid (ie not WiiU) home console - the Wii. And it sold very well for 4-5 years in Japan. Nobody has tried to make a PS2 in a decade, everybody is just making Xbox (PC in a box) style machines.