I don't see a problem in sum a game plus the Complete Edition with DLCs.
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I don't see a problem in sum a game plus the Complete Edition with DLCs.
Why they ignored Wii U then? Look how successful that console was! 3 "million sellers" - more than on PS4/Vita combined
I was not being facetious, they make this decision with the thoughts of "we want to sell a million in America".
I agree it is not the most useful metric when looking at a company's platform decision, however publishers/developers will learn soon enough that if they outsource all their game sales they will have to outsource their game development in the future as well since no one (in Japan) will remember what those kinds of games are like.
Damn, nice!
Hahaha I know that Capcom is being crazy lately with its predictions (Resident Evil VII, Street Fighter V, Monster Hunter Stories, Dead Rising 4...) but maybe this time they learned about them and have become more conservative for its next projects.
Maybe... haha.
Little Monser
Banned
Slay queen!
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, a big part of that problem is that many of those games arent on PS4.
frankie_baby
Member
Does that include the bundle?
MetalliCabombination
Member
Great numbers but looks like the majority was physical then
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
What? If it the point isn't clear. Overseas markets are far more lucrative to Japanese publishers. Instead of looking at million sellers, one should be looking at the sales if a specific franchise on consequent platforms.
Skullwaker
Member
Well that was a given, lol
MetalliCabombination
Member
Wii u has more million sellers in japan than ps4 probably ever will in its lifetime.
This really means nothing. Its just how things work on nintendo consoles, fewer games and more concentrated sales.
Gotdatmoney
Member
The problem is those franchise all declined and new ones havent yet taken there place. We all know Nintendo is the most popular publisher in Japan by quite a margin. That's not new. It's just that stuff like FF and Yakuza are in decline. Newer franchises like Nier and the explosion of Persona are fillin in some of the gaps though.
ethomaz
Banned
For some unknown reasons I missed this post yesterday lol
Averages 28k per week means 1.5 million units sold in a year and yes it is great for a console to sell over 1.5m units per year in Japan... except for Wii in a little time frame (2006, 2007 and 2008) we don't see any other console doing over 2m in the last two generations.
Let's see how PS4 is doing year over year:
2014: 970.667 (45 weeks), 21.5k per week
2015: 1.330.410 (53 weeks), 25.1k per week
2016: 1.799.586 (52 weeks), 34.2k per week
2017: 901.699 (29 weeks), 31.1k per week
Ohhhh and correcting you a bit... this year PS4 avg. is 31.1k per week without holidays... it is tracking ahead 2016 (up YoY) that reached 34.2k per week. PS4 has the chance to reach over 35k avg. per week this year that means over 1.8 million.
Yes... it is really great because it is close to a decade that consoles didn't sell at that rate in Japan anymore... Wii did that last time in 2008 with 2.862.818 units.
Any console doing near 2 million units in a year in Japan is doing GREAT. If Switch was only a console then it was indeed better than great but it is a portable or hybrid that shares two different markets where portables are stronger in sales than consoles.
Switch could end doing great this year? Of course I'm confident it numbers will be amazing for this year (2.5m+? Switch is avg. 41.2k per week this year) even with Nintendo fucking with supply.
Probably based on Media Create numbers. In that case
[NSW] Splatoon 2 | Retail <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980) - 648.085
[NSW] Splatoon 2 | Digital* <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980) - ~ 51,915
*download cards + digital downloads
Yeah that makes more sense
It's ok to look at million sellers and half-million sellers as a measure of the expected ceiling for games in a platform, but total software sales is a better metric to determine how healthy a platform is.
WiiU had some very big games, and a wasteland under them. PS4 may not have evergreens like Splatoon, 2D/3D Mario or Mario Kart but the amount of titles succeeding on various degrees on the platform is way bigger, and that makes the variety of the catalogue an incentive for new buyers.
Also there's the fact that games are sold outside Japan too, as much as MC threads try to ignore it when analyzing decision making.
WiiU had some very big games, and a wasteland under them. PS4 may not have evergreens like Splatoon, 2D/3D Mario or Mario Kart but the amount of titles succeeding on various degrees on the platform is way bigger, and that makes the variety of the catalogue an incentive for new buyers.
Also there's the fact that games are sold outside Japan too, as much as MC threads try to ignore it when analyzing decision making.
Any console doing near 2 million units in a year in Japan is doing mediocre to average.
ethomaz
Banned
Where did you live since 2008? If I'm not wrong that was the last time a console did over 2 million in Japan.
PS. I'm still waiting the quotes about people expecting PS4 to be the next PS2 in Japan
I dont think anyone is arguing against that.
But for the Top mainstream seller thats a relevant number - DQXI will show us what the PS4 market is capable right now for example. On Nintendo handhelds there pretty much was always the guarantee that the big seller as in Pokemon can sell around 4m. - so if you had a big IP ala Dragon Quest or Monster Hunter you could be targeting these type of numbers because there is proof that the eco system can provide these numbers.
WiiU had Nintendo first party support - thats it. 3rdPartys were on mobile, 3DS, PS4 and the Sony homeconsoles. Talking just about Japan potential WiiU games would sell worse than handheld games and the Sony console were stronger on a global level. After the lackluster launch there pretty much was no reason to support the WiiU between mobile/handheld and PS4/XBO.
In a place called "handhelds aren't sold to Martians"
Gotdatmoney
Member
Within a year in Japan the only dedicated hardware that will be viable will be Switch and PS4. I have an expectation that the PS4 needs to pull better sales for larger titles (and I think it will).
3.3m units (which is what the WiiU had) has shown to be enough to support million+ sellers and half million sellers. The PS4 should be able to out do the WiiU here considering it will have all the major development suppirt going forward.
3.3m units (which is what the WiiU had) has shown to be enough to support million+ sellers and half million sellers. The PS4 should be able to out do the WiiU here considering it will have all the major development suppirt going forward.
The usual site that shares Switch's shipment info doesn't show any restock for this week (there are new shipments planned from July 31th).
Even Bic Camera hasn't shared any lottery notice for this week. If they don't announce it tomorrow, there won't be any this week, meaning no restock this week.
Just watch Switch hardware collapse next week.
Even Bic Camera hasn't shared any lottery notice for this week. If they don't announce it tomorrow, there won't be any this week, meaning no restock this week.
Just watch Switch hardware collapse next week.
And the Japanese dedicated gaming device market has been contracting since. Chris is right as always.
ethomaz
Banned
Was wondering about that already, since there usually is some mention about it at this point in the week. Let's hope they aren't doing sub 10k or whatever next week lol
Continuing believing home consoles belong to a different market from handhelds doesn't make Wii, PS3 and PS4 numbers look better.
I mean, you can argue what you're arguing and say its unavoidable, or you could say that consoles since Wii took its downturn just haven't been very good at the Japanese market. Wii U was DOA everywhere, and PS4 was clearly an afterthought in Japan at launch and soon after.
It actually makes the state of the market look even vastly worse than it already is.
ethomaz
Banned
Let't add iPhones too because it is the same market by your logic lol
Skullwaker
Member
I guess we can forget the Switch having an increased baseline for now. I just hope it isn't under 20k next week.
Does "dedicated gaming system" means something to you?
Mobile is taking a big share of gaming. Shocking, I know.
ethomaz
Banned
That means it will end around 170-190k for the month??? That is the avg. shipment of the last quarter in Japan.
You would think the hysteria from earlier this week re: Switch hardware would teach us to be a bit more hesitant freaking out about early stock reports.
Gotdatmoney
Member
In Japan where for the last 2 generations handhelds actually got some of the biggest franchises over consoles why would you separate the markets? All the hardware is competing against each other for development support and consumer dollars directly. If all the big 3DS games were PS4 games do we think the PS4 would have the same sales?
Even in the US the console handheld line was becoming pointless. It'a all marjeting dollars, it's all games and the systems are all actively taking a slice away from each other.
Even in the US the console handheld line was becoming pointless. It'a all marjeting dollars, it's all games and the systems are all actively taking a slice away from each other.
Skullwaker
Member
I'm not really hysterical lol. I just don't expect there to be a new 40-50k+ baseline. I feel like that's pretty reasonable.
It really does. That's what happens when you talk for Japan and think it's a another western market.
It's hard to believe you are actually a regular in these threads and not some troll. Aren't you embarrassed?
Here, gaming market in Japan (source):
"online games" are all games on non-dedicated gaming devices. Without handhelds that dedicated gaming device market would have crashed even more brutally.
The two recent years missing in the graph were down even further.
We are on a graveyard with zombies thinking there are still events to party about.
NintendosBooger
Member
You're saying Japanese developers creating games in consideration - if not in the interest - of Western taste is contributing significantly to the contraction of the dedicated gaming market there?
In Japan for the last 2 generations mobile has gotten all the big IPs and is making way more money than handhelds and consoles combined, so I guess we should all start replying to Nirolak instead of wasting our time arguing about a drop in the ocean selling 100 or 150k. /s
Every person discuss about what he cares about for arbitrary reasons. You can't say the arbitrary line to ignore mobile vs handhelds is ok, but the arbitrary line to separate handhelds from consoles is stupid.
Every person discuss about what he cares about for arbitrary reasons. You can't say the arbitrary line to ignore mobile vs handhelds is ok, but the arbitrary line to separate handhelds from consoles is stupid.
I'm talking for Japanese gaming culture but that's also a statement I don't see anything wrong.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Eh you should. A lot of the big sellers on the DS are now games served by the mobile market for cheap. You didn't see stuff like Brain Training explode on the 3DS did you?
ethomaz
Banned
I'm not embarrassed and your links didn't change or fight anything I said but the salty from some guys in this thread is really funny.It's hard to believe you are actually a regular in these threads and not some troll. Aren't you embarrassed?
Here, gaming market in Japan (source):
"online games" are all games on non-dedicated gaming devices. Without handhelds that dedicated gaming device market would have crashed even more brutally.
The two recent years missing in the graph were down even further.
We are on a graveyard with zombies thinking there are still events to party about.
The console market changed in Japan but these comments looks be from somebody looking at console sales from near two decades ago when it was common to have 4 million units sold per year. Any console that sells around 2 million in the actual market is indeed doing great... cross 10m lifetime? It is really an great milestone for any console today in Japan.
But let's spread the doom and gloom of the average to mediocre sales of consoles games in Japan... it is fun to watch.
Are you sure you are a regular?
ethomaz
Banned
Yes.
No.
Near two decades ago... last time a console did over 4m in Japan was in 2006 and that was a single case/year... last time consoles sold regularly (more than one year in a row) over 4m was near two decades ago... in PS2 time because Wii did only one time... and I used a random example to show consoles didn't sell like you guys thinks it needs to sell for a long long time.
Being a regular and being ignorant is not strange lol.