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Wii simply didn't exist for some.
Sammy Samusu
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can ichinose please work on outbreak portable
Bruno MB
Member
I was curious and checked Capcom expectations for Monster Hunter Tri, they expected 2 million units for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2010.
This forecast was made when they had shipped 1 million units in Japan although they didn't know the sell-through data. This suggests that they were expecting well below 1 million units for the West market since they probably didn't foresee that the game would struggle to sell the initial shipment in Japan. Monster Hunter Tri would be eventually delayed and missed the Q4 date. It was finally released during the first quarter of the fiscal year ending March 31, 2011 and shipped 690.000 units. It must have met Capcom expectations but once again the game was overshipped and that initial figure was basically the lifetime sales shipment.
In the end worldwide lifetime shipments never reached the planned FY 2010 sales of 2 million units. Without a doubt a very disappointing performance.
This forecast was made when they had shipped 1 million units in Japan although they didn't know the sell-through data. This suggests that they were expecting well below 1 million units for the West market since they probably didn't foresee that the game would struggle to sell the initial shipment in Japan. Monster Hunter Tri would be eventually delayed and missed the Q4 date. It was finally released during the first quarter of the fiscal year ending March 31, 2011 and shipped 690.000 units. It must have met Capcom expectations but once again the game was overshipped and that initial figure was basically the lifetime sales shipment.
In the end worldwide lifetime shipments never reached the planned FY 2010 sales of 2 million units. Without a doubt a very disappointing performance.
FF always sold less than DQ, but it was always too large to be made up of only the core players. I'm assuming core means the people who always buy console is that right? I have never quite understood the meaning of that word, so I'm not sure how to answer that, it's probably unsettling just like the core of anime viewers.
Many of the very biggest franchises are RPGs, and this has remained true since the genre came out and across all platforms, mobile included. I'm sure you didn't forget, but I will state it anyway, Pokemon, Yokai Watch, Inazuma, etc are all RPGs, where the main mechanic is battle -> gain levels -> get skills -> battle.
The largest publisher (outside of Nintendo) is made up of 2 very large RPG companies, they did not become the largest by making niche games, just like Activision (in all honesty is really weird to me that Call of Duty is casual in the west).
Square Enix made a decision very long ago to pursue the west with Final Fantasy and has been in an arms race with western games for 'realness', this decision was made before the boom in smartphones. They are probably not going to ever make mobile their lead platform for the series, especially when they can still attract the casual FF fans with games like Record Keeper and Brave eXVIus...
DQ report: When I left my local Geo at around 7:10 there were about 75 people, most were males 25-50yo. Didn't hang around to see what versions they got. I got 3DS without needing to preorder - my 2DS bundle arrives from Amazon later today.
And with that, I'm off to play DQXI.
Maybe they are making a stealth release on holidays with only 2-3 months of previous marketing ?_?
Also, are you counting MH Stories (EU & US) and Dead Rising 4 PS4 version on your sales estimates?
Yagami_Sama
Member
PREDICTION LEAGUE AUGUST 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Jul 31 to Aug 27):
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 2.234.987
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 1.327.873
[PS4] Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (25 days) - 77.475
[3DS] The Snack World: TreJarers (18 days) - 28.345
[NSW] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross Nintendo Switch Ver. (3 days) - 189.348
Edit.
Dang, I put the wrong numbers for Dragon Quest, I put total sales, instead sales of the month.
It was supposed to be like this :
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 434.987
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 277.873
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Jul 31 to Aug 27):
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 2.234.987
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 1.327.873
[PS4] Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (25 days) - 77.475
[3DS] The Snack World: TreJarers (18 days) - 28.345
[NSW] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross Nintendo Switch Ver. (3 days) - 189.348
Edit.
Dang, I put the wrong numbers for Dragon Quest, I put total sales, instead sales of the month.
It was supposed to be like this :
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 434.987
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 277.873
Great legs! /s
People love RE when it's cheap.
You do know that 1.9 Mil is WW number and you are predicting 2 mil for Japan only, right?
I think this is wrong? I recall the game going up by 100k in shipment at some point (well past the initial release in the west).
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I respect that. But for me the Wii was really awesome. The most disruptive console in history.
It was pretty good until a group of people got together and decided to destroy heaven out of jealousy.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I said RE not RE7 (which will still have better legs than MH). Try again.
Nah, people love RE.
I don't mean to imply they would, sorry.
I was just running with the idea because you are right that FFs choice of platform has not helped it be bigger in Japan. The problem is I don't think mobile would match their ambitions wrt western sales and wrt the kind of game they put out either. So I think their Japanese domestic audience is not something they should drop other things to shore up.
I think the latter of these ways it wouldn't match up is a bit tricky because there is room for "premium" sales of classic JRPG on mobile. And those games work well there. I played DQI-III that way, for example. So a new, traditional JRPG could work on mobile. But that market is viable with the games involved being "cheap" ports of already successful games.
As to the former: Things like Brave Exvius highlight the way mobile would tend to use the IP differently: gacha and an expanded cast who made their bones elsewhere. That's the obvious way to try and use the FF IP effectively on mobile in Japan and is antithetical to what Square tries to do with the main entries: introduce wholly new casts, worlds, stories with some shared monsters, spells, and themes. And this is because the monetization strategy is different.
I brought up handhelds because that's another way they could approach the Japanese market. There they'd have not so much a problem with the issues directly above, but they also wouldn't be targeted at the west so well as they are on home consoles.
Noticeably, handhelds are currently the natural home of new DQ, with a mobile port perhaps down the line, because they don't have that same target.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Haven't been following closely. What do you mean by this?
DQXI was originally PS4 exclusive, then they added a 3DS version.
DQXI started out as a PS4 exclusive.
Moor-Angol
Banned
This comment was interesting :
With the download code, the stock is huge and preorders were available so definitely the game wont' be sold out, why spending the morning in line instead of enjoying the "holiday" ?
Ah well, long time passed since the last DQ
With the download code, the stock is huge and preorders were available so definitely the game wont' be sold out, why spending the morning in line instead of enjoying the "holiday" ?
Ah well, long time passed since the last DQ
Ah. Huh, weird. With the 3DS grooming everyone thought it would've been the opposite.
So they probably started on it before the PS4 came out. Gotta hand it to Sony, they've really courted developers.
NintendosBooger
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Idiotic. They were going to leave all that money on the table. With the Switch and 3DS, Nintendo is going to carry this series as usual.
Moor-Angol
Banned
dp sorry
Moor-Angol
Banned
counter for DQ11 only
The Last One
Member
I love this.
Moor-Angol
Banned
PS4 sold surely 1 unit this week
no wait, at least 2 !!!
The Last One
Member
This box is gorgeous. Amazing.
D.Lo
Member
I'm pretty sure I saw a line at Yodobashi Ueno last night at around 11? I mean it was definitely a line, and the store should have been closed?
They had these for Splatoon at most city Bic stores as well.
counter for DQ11 only
Moor-Angol
Banned
sure, they do this kind of thing everytime there is a big game sale (and not only), didn't mean they make just for DQ
Moor-Angol
Banned
Shinjuku Yodobashi
3DS vs PS4 : 1-0
3DS vs PS4 : 1-1
3DS vs. PS4 : 2-1
3DS vs. PS4 : 3-1
3DS vs. PS4 : 5-1 !!!
3DS vs. PS4 : 7-1
surely PS4 owners don't like to be shot
Privacy, pollution and stopping the spread of disease. That's an odd question.
LizardKing
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Thanks for the pictures I always enjoy seeing gaming related launch pictures.
OfficerRaichu15
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Ahh yeah it's great seeing lineups for big games again.
Feel like we haven't had some of those this year.
Feel like we haven't had some of those this year.
Moor-Angol
Banned
mainly this one
Magicpaint
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Love the pictures...keep them coming.
Skullwaker
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I guess by core I mean a genre that's relatively niche compared to others, and its audience is comprised mostly by avid gamers who are notably involved in the hobby. For example, here in the US, shooters such as Call of Duty and sports games are typically seen as casual. There are people out there who will only buy CoD or Madden every year and not really much else. I don't think that's typically true of people who play RPGs or adventure games here; rather, they spend more time and money on gaming.
Not sure if that makes sense, but it's how I think of it at least lol. I'm sure others have different definitions for it.
Enjoy the game though!
surely PS4 owners don't like to be shot
There are people who like to be shot?
And thanks for the pictures. It's always cool to see stuff like this for game (or system) launches.
Sammy Samusu
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The reality is, there are a lot of casual 3DS gamers that don't pre-order (or buy digital).
Moor-Angol
Banned
surely PS4 owners only buy retail and all of them preorder the games they are gonna buy
twothunder
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first splatoon. Now dragon quest.
What a crazy month for gamers in japan
What a crazy month for gamers in japan
You're completely out of touch with japense gaming habit if you really think that.
Even a 2m prediction is half what the previous main entry did, multiplayer on console is not "making up" anything from leaving handhelds.
Too lazy to roam Bic/Sofmap this morning, maybe I'll go this afternoon.
Can confirm for the counters about Splatoon 2, maybe there were counters for Kimi no na Wa last Wednesday too
It's not really odd, that's very specific to asian countries, you'd never see that in America or Europe.
D.Lo
Member
Relatively short lines at Shinjuku this morning, seems people are just grabbing it throughout the day. I have no idea what the line was last night it made no sense unless they did a midnight launch.
Damn the PS4 game is expensive!
Damn the PS4 game is expensive!
It's an odd question in a Japanese sales thread, face masks have been normal for going on a decade in Japan. It shows low knowledge of Japan.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
I hope PS4 and 3DS versions are closer in sales than we're expecting.
And Europe.
Anyway it's irrelevant.
And Europe.
Anyway it's irrelevant.
their was a huge lines last week for splatoon and switches did you not see that one..
OfficerRaichu15
Member
I know I'm counting Splatoon 2 lines as well.
astrogamer
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PREDICTION LEAGUE AUGUST 2017
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Jul 31 to Aug 27):
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 762k
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 340k
[PS4] Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (25 days) - 102k
[3DS] The Snack World: TreJarers (18 days) - 28k
[NSW] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross Nintendo Switch Ver. (3 days) - 195k
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Jul 31 to Aug 27):
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 762k
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age [2nd month] (28 days) - 340k
[PS4] Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (25 days) - 102k
[3DS] The Snack World: TreJarers (18 days) - 28k
[NSW] Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross Nintendo Switch Ver. (3 days) - 195k
Well yes, but he did ask nicely and there's no prerequisite before entering this thread no?
I wish there was for posting sometimes
Paris (only main town) : 21 067 ppl/km2
Tokyo : 6224ppl/km²
Paris + urban suburbs (similar density to Tokyo) : 3750ppl/km²
(Lots of other similar area in western Europe as illustrated in the pic above)
It's a cultural thing that spreads a few decades ago, density being one of the reason, read about it (amongst many other things) on a few sociological books the past few years but I don't think I want to open a topic like that (said books might not give the full picture also), still for many westerners that's an unknown concept and outside pictures or visiting asian countries you would probably never know about it.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Tokyo + suburbs :
Tokyo : 9,2mln
Kawawaki : 1,4mln
Yokohama : 3,7mln
Saitama : 1,2mln
Chiba : 0,97mln
Western Tokyo : 4,2
TOTAL : 20,6mln
The "Tokyo area" is one of the most conglomerate city in the world, nothing similar in Europe actually, the biggest cities with suburbs are Moscow and then London
Well I know that (I followed my geography lessons a decade ago!), Greater Tokyo is the biggest metropolitan area worldwide 35M and the Taiheyo belt is one of the biggest megalopolis (85M) but I was talking about density, because sickness spreads faster if you have more people /km².
Tokyo is bigger (nothing is bigger after all) but the use of face mask spread through a huge part of eastern Asia whose density is comparable to a lot of european area, heck even to Tokyo even if it's on a smaller scale.