The NES got games like Star Tropics 2 in 94, when the SNES was winding down, and in Japan, the SNES was supported for years with Fire Emblem games like Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu in 1996, and Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 in 2000. The very last Super FamiCon game released ever.
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Media Create Sales: Week 35, 2013 (Aug 26 - Sep 01)
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The NES got games like Star Tropics 2 in 94, when the SNES was winding down, and in Japan, the SNES was supported for years with Fire Emblem games like Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu in 1996, and Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 in 2000. The very last Super FamiCon game released ever.
Yeah I mean this is Tales of Xillia, a game that sold over 600K copies and is one of the top 5 or 6 selling games on PS3:
For Japanese PS3 game performance, look at this slightly outdated list: http://garaph.info/gamesearch.php?t...meid=&orderby=SalesLTD+DESC&res1=&res2=&opt=1
I suspect the styles we see on PSP/3DS will be what we will continue to see on Nintendo's next handheld.
Right, their best chance is to go after the niche games that are on PS3 and Vita, though that obviously has a negative impact on their other system.
Budget decreases as they stopped being viewed as internationally viable series and the sales volume in Japan dropped.
C'mon now. No one thought Gundam Muso was going to sell outside of Japan, and on PS3 each successive game sold better than the last! That's just Namco Bandai being cheap.
MS money probably explains Tales of Vesperia though.
Do they sell enough to justify the cost though or were expectations higher once upon a time?
I see something about huge expectations (that I assume were vastly overstated, but probably still spoke to large expectations) here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/02/23/two-million-for-gundam-musou
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pieatorium
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I think at the very least games will start moving to the ps4/vita route over the current ps3/v. Vita is starting to hold up a decent enough share of multiplats that it might not be too crazy an idea to drop ps3 earlier than expected.
There will also more likely be more western games releasing than what the vita and wiiu received combined. The call of duty's, assasins creeds, uncharteds etc have worked into this low/mid teir sellers.
There will also more likely be more western games releasing than what the vita and wiiu received combined. The call of duty's, assasins creeds, uncharteds etc have worked into this low/mid teir sellers.
I highly find it unlikely they will drop the PS3 earlier than expected. Only 2 (I remember that there are 2!) PS3/Vita games have sold better on the Vita. Once the Vita versions outsell the PS3 versions consistently and by a large difference, then the PS3 will be dropped. The PS3 has software selling for the most part.
Didn't know the SNES was supported until 2000. With the Wii having such a huge install base though, I wonder why Nintendo hasn't continued supporting it with new games.
Oh, that's more like what we can expect
I've been playing ToV on the 360 recently, and it has such a beautiful cell-shaded style, I wonder why they ditched that. What I meant about Yakuza was that, can it be expected for smaller devs to accomplish improved visuals on the PS4 by virtue of the increased hardware power, but it seems I was just dreaming. Which would mean that the "smaller" devs are able to accomplish what they want/are able to on the devices already available. With the PS3, they have the install base already available. So what incentive do they have to provide their games to the PS4 closer to launch, that leaves the "bigger" publishers like Capcom and Square, as well as the first party, to be the drivers of the PS4's install base. (That's why I wonder how much clout the likes of Final Fantasy have as system sellers.) I guess the question is how long will people continue to be playing games on their PS3's, maybe they'll be vocal about wishing for games to be on PS4 instead as time goes on. I'm very curious about the launch lineup too and if it will feature smaller devs or not, that is what I'll be hoping to see on 9/9 (perhaps on one of those "3rd party support slides" console manufacturer's love to flash when giving presentations).
edit: (Oh, so it took more money and not just effects/hardware power to make ToV look the way it did.)
Oh, that's more like what we can expect
I've been playing ToV on the 360 recently, and it has such a beautiful cell-shaded style, I wonder why they ditched that. What I meant about Yakuza was that, can it be expected for smaller devs to accomplish improved visuals on the PS4 by virtue of the increased hardware power, but it seems I was just dreaming. Which would mean that the "smaller" devs are able to accomplish what they want/are able to on the devices already available. With the PS3, they have the install base already available. So what incentive do they have to provide their games to the PS4 closer to launch, that leaves the "bigger" publishers like Capcom and Square, as well as the first party, to be the drivers of the PS4's install base. (That's why I wonder how much clout the likes of Final Fantasy have as system sellers.) I guess the question is how long will people continue to be playing games on their PS3's, maybe they'll be vocal about wishing for games to be on PS4 instead as time goes on. I'm very curious about the launch lineup too and if it will feature smaller devs or not, that is what I'll be hoping to see on 9/9 (perhaps on one of those "3rd party support slides" console manufacturer's love to flash when giving presentations).edit: (Oh, so it took more money and not just effects/hardware power to make ToV look the way it did.)
Cause it takes a lot longer and is a lot more costly to make games nowadays.
pieatorium
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I wasn't trying to suggest that the vita versions were doing better than ps3, but they are for the most part doing a not insignificant amount.
I don't think it's a home run idea for third parties either, but for sony i think a good number would be enticed into buying a ps4 if there was no ps3 version.
Didn't know the SNES was supported until 2000. With the Wii having such a huge install base though, I wonder why Nintendo hasn't continued supporting it with new games.
Oh, that's more like what we can expect
The only really big franchises Sony has up their sleeves in Japan ATM are:
MGS(with V being crossgen)
FF
Tales(next entry is more than likely going to be PS3)
KH
Off the top of my head HSG would probably be their best selling first party game but that series have declined hard.
FF and to KH could be system sellers but for all we know they won't release until 2014. Also, given how Japan is pretty much handheld and mobile land now I don't think we'll see a vocal outcry for more PS4 titles unless something crazy happens.
As for the Wii thing that's problaby when they wanted all their devs to start working on 3DS games or something.
1st Course
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Neither the N64 or the GCN had a good late life support either.
GCN especially had a very short life in Japan. By 2005 (less than 4 years after launch) it was pretty much completely dead in Japan.
Cod is big in Japan atm too. BO2 sold 500k+ apparently in Japan.
I suppose it's also because their future is with the 3DS (that they devoted resources to save) and WiiU too, and unlike the PS3/Xbox 360, the Wii didn't have a vibrant last year. In fact, the 3rd parties are providing the 360/PS3 with a vibrant last year, the Wii did not enjoy that. (But they did make the Wii Mini and recently dropped a couple game prices down, what they hope to accomplish with that is up in the air, what good the Wii Mini accomplished is already evident.)
But I took this topic wayyyyyy off with my comments about 3rd parties, Harvest Moon, visuals due to hardware power...so I'll just leave it at this, I hope to see one of those slides that shows 3rd party support for the PS4, and I want to see those smaller publishers and devs on it.
I honestly forgot about western franchises like CoD and AC but I don't really see any of them as system sellers in Japan especially since they will be on the PS3 for the time being.
1st Course
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Now that I think about it, one of the biggest PS3 problems this gen is that JP devs failed to make any truly successful new IPs for the system over the course of this entire generation.
Almost all the PS3 big sellers are old IPs or licensed crap.
Almost all the PS3 big sellers are old IPs or licensed crap.
Yeah ironically, Dragon's Dogma is the only new IP that did very well in Japan from Japanese developers if memory serves me right.
Tizoc
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64 GB card for Vita....and prob. a Sonic game for PS4 (and Vita!)
I'll take the far out long shot and say Demon's Souls 2 on the basis that the same people who were chattering about FFXV and KH3 on the forum at E3 were going on about that.
For more measured predictions I expect a Musou game and for at least one of Namco's f2p games to show up on PS4.
I think a PS4 port of PSO2 is not unlikely as well.
I suspect they won't show a sufficient number of smaller games.
For more measured predictions I expect a Musou game and for at least one of Namco's f2p games to show up on PS4.
I think a PS4 port of PSO2 is not unlikely as well.
I suspect they won't show a sufficient number of smaller games.
michaelius
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InsaneZero
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Sonic's not going to have a new game announced when Lost World isn't even out yet. And for Lost World, Nintendo probably wouldn't be too eager to publish the PS4/Vita versions of the game for PAL territories.
More importantly, Sonic is a franchise that actually does best on Nintendo platforms, and I doubt that there is any strong incentive for it being on PS4/Vita. Sega has other franchises that could work just as well.
Nippon Ichi and GUST will probably cover that, whether that's enough though it's another matter.
There is supposed to be a new Atelier game next year going by what the director has said it could be new world and not in an existing series. Sounds like something they can start on a new platform. They are one of the main early supporters of Vita and not so early with PS3.
NIS has said the PS3 will still be their main platform but they'll be looking at PS4, we will see. http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/2...f-sequels-and-new-games-still-focusing-on-ps3
Heh would not be surprised.
michaelius
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Not much?
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That is if Sony announces a lot of big IP's for PS4 release day. Otherwise I have a really hard time seeing it sell more than 20-30k a week the first 6 months of its life. That is if it avoids the same fate Vita and Wii U had at launch
Psycho_Mantis
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Well its going to get all the games the ps3 would get, its at a lower price point and it no longer has stiff competition like the Wii instead its only competition is the faltering WiiU.
I'm just not expecting many of the franchises that pushed PS3 to push PS4 nearly as much.
I don't think Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Kingdom Hearts, and so on will have the strength it did going from PS2 to PS3.
I think stuff Yakuza and Dynasty Warriors will be fine, but I don't think it can push the system quite as much.
I don't think Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Kingdom Hearts, and so on will have the strength it did going from PS2 to PS3.
I think stuff Yakuza and Dynasty Warriors will be fine, but I don't think it can push the system quite as much.
If PS4 is coming this December, I think launch lineup gonna be pretty crap for Japan. Maybe if they can get that Yakuza game for launch otherwise there will largely be ports or cheap shovel ware games the like of Bandai mostly make. PS3/Vita launch line up were terrible too, so not that unexpected.
Combined as in PS4 + Vita + Wii U = 20K.
That would be straight jokes.
The industry is cyclical though, so who knows how long it will take for consoles to return to form.
I might be a bit hyperbolic, but I'm not sure how much higher than number would actually be.
40K wouldn't surprise me even remotely, while 30K seems quite feasible as well, especially given that each platform will be going up and down depending on what is happening.
namco trademarked Kamen Rider Musou a while back (see japanese trademark thread) seems like a likely candidate and a relatively big game
GUST actually said they want to do another game in the Dusk series so expect that on ps3
Well if PS4 will sale like WiiU for example such ventrues like FF XV won't make sense anymore lol. Unless there going to try to appeal more to western tastes.
Presumably people would buy a PlayStation 4 when big name software like FFXV comes out.
Well the game is an open world action RPG in a realistic-ish setting that contains third person shooting, a drivable car, and Uncharted-esque set pieces, so I kind of assume they're going for the Western audience for most of the sales.
But yeah, as Takao noted, they should still be able to get a fair amount of sales when FFXV lands.
Eh, who knows. It's just crazy with how apathetic the JP public is to consoles at the moment.
Still thoes sales would not be as strong as overall FF XIII numbers.
I can see a scenario where PS4 is very successful In that publishers realize if this one fails too then there is only 3DS left which obviously can't support everything we make. So we 'must' make it successful by green lighting lots of titles as early as possible otherwise gotta layoff most of our consumer products segment, lol. Maybe we see signs of them trying in these weeks but so far there is nothing of that sort
In that publishers realize if this one fails too then there is only 3DS left which obviously can't support everything we make. So we 'must' make it successful by green lighting lots of titles as early as possible otherwise gotta layoff most of our consumer products segment, lol. Maybe we see signs of them trying in these weeks but so far there is nothing of that sort The issue is that all of that software is shared with other platforms. It's a better position to be in than Wii U, but that's not saying much.
Right, that's why I feel they were okay with turning an action rpg into a mainline game, since it would go over better where their main potential sales base is going to be by far.
I can see a scenario where PS4 is very successful
I think anything that's going to the West in a big way will obviously be on PS4 (and presumably Xbox One), though if Japanese developers decide they want another platform that isn't mobile is an interesting question.
wait, what
I apparently haven't been paying as much attention as I thought
what are they doing to my FF?! D:
There are 2 factors that will play heavily into how well the PS4 does:
- No red hot Wii this time around
- PS4 will cost far less than the PS3 initially did
Those are pretty major factors, it will also be the only truly viable tech pushing console in Japan as the Xbox One is a non factor. Its not really competing with smartphones, 3DS or anything of the like.
Then you have ponder just how the masses in Japan will respond to the console, Sony is heavily into making this device social, making it play with smartphones, focusing on interaction and some services. What kind of effect are indies going to have here? Japanese indies? Is this going to be come a thing?
The twist might be that the PS4 lands it self in a blue ocean type strategy that Nintendo enjoyed so much with the Wii, where it is the only gaming device that is relevant in Japan that pushes technology and delivers big games, while everyone else is fighting over the smartphone/handheld market.
All this focus on individual games got Wii U nowhere, it has NSMB, Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest out now and its flaundering. The PS2 launched with Kessen, Street Fighter EX and Ridge Racer 5 and still did gangbuster from day 1, original Wii biggest game was basically a tech demo for the Wii in Wii Sports and that did great business. The notorious thread "Any reason why the Wii U *wont* dominate Japan" was purely based on a few select games and people deriding that ofcourse the console was going to do great, it has X, Y and Z = success. Its not that simple, as its clearly evident by now.
Yeah games sell systems but that is obviously not the only factor that makes people purchase them, it took the PS2 several months to get its big title in GT3, remember all the shoddy Dreamcast ports in Code Veronica and DoA? Yet the console was doing massive numbers, as was the original Wii.
There more to it than just games, will be interesting to see what the reaction is to the system as a whole.
- No red hot Wii this time around
- PS4 will cost far less than the PS3 initially did
Those are pretty major factors, it will also be the only truly viable tech pushing console in Japan as the Xbox One is a non factor. Its not really competing with smartphones, 3DS or anything of the like.
Then you have ponder just how the masses in Japan will respond to the console, Sony is heavily into making this device social, making it play with smartphones, focusing on interaction and some services. What kind of effect are indies going to have here? Japanese indies? Is this going to be come a thing?
The twist might be that the PS4 lands it self in a blue ocean type strategy that Nintendo enjoyed so much with the Wii, where it is the only gaming device that is relevant in Japan that pushes technology and delivers big games, while everyone else is fighting over the smartphone/handheld market.
All this focus on individual games got Wii U nowhere, it has NSMB, Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest out now and its flaundering. The PS2 launched with Kessen, Street Fighter EX and Ridge Racer 5 and still did gangbuster from day 1, original Wii biggest game was basically a tech demo for the Wii in Wii Sports and that did great business. The notorious thread "Any reason why the Wii U *wont* dominate Japan" was purely based on a few select games and people deriding that ofcourse the console was going to do great, it has X, Y and Z = success. Its not that simple, as its clearly evident by now.
Yeah games sell systems but that is obviously not the only factor that makes people purchase them, it took the PS2 several months to get its big title in GT3, remember all the shoddy Dreamcast ports in Code Veronica and DoA? Yet the console was doing massive numbers, as was the original Wii.
There more to it than just games, will be interesting to see what the reaction is to the system as a whole.