Also the 3DS Zeldas sold very well.
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Right.
BTW I wasn't expecting g Few to sell gangbusters but a 150k Ltd for both version combined would be nice imho
Is that doable (after they will announce Tarja as dlc character)?
twothunder
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Thanks for the update, I had older data (I thought Pikmin stopped at around 200k!). Still, these new entries are selling well. Perhaps Ultimate Mission X will have a chance in getting closer to 300k, though.
I took a big break from Gaf ... my thoughts since I've been away ...
Switch is doing way better than I expected as a hybrid (I originally thought it would pick up once a handheld specific variant was released). It seems to be taking over from 3DS a lot quicker than I expected.
PS4 doing about what I expected ... it's OK, but nothing special.
PSV: I thought it might last slightly longer, but was only going to be otaku type games by now, similar to PC-Engine and Saturn. Surprised that most franchises have already switched to PS4, rather than tried to extend their life on PSV... I guess that Sony is responsible for this.
3DS: I thought the transition would take longer, but it looks like Switch could transition quickly and be the 3DS successor.
Still, I think that some things need to be taken into account. Probably only two viable dedicated systems after this; PS4 (home), and Switch (Handheld), compared to a system from each in the last generation. Dedicated market is rapidly contracting. How many generations until only one system is viable in Japan? (of course, AAA western games are developed regardless, so maybe Sony could survive like that, as Xbox did in the past, whilst Nintendo pick up the local market).
Switch is doing way better than I expected as a hybrid (I originally thought it would pick up once a handheld specific variant was released). It seems to be taking over from 3DS a lot quicker than I expected.
PS4 doing about what I expected ... it's OK, but nothing special.
PSV: I thought it might last slightly longer, but was only going to be otaku type games by now, similar to PC-Engine and Saturn. Surprised that most franchises have already switched to PS4, rather than tried to extend their life on PSV... I guess that Sony is responsible for this.
3DS: I thought the transition would take longer, but it looks like Switch could transition quickly and be the 3DS successor.
Still, I think that some things need to be taken into account. Probably only two viable dedicated systems after this; PS4 (home), and Switch (Handheld), compared to a system from each in the last generation. Dedicated market is rapidly contracting. How many generations until only one system is viable in Japan? (of course, AAA western games are developed regardless, so maybe Sony could survive like that, as Xbox did in the past, whilst Nintendo pick up the local market).
JonnyDBrit
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Apologies, but would you have the week by week comparison for weeks 26-30 in numbers? Curious at what the gap in rates is.
Nintendo's target this year is to destroy the 10m initial forecast. Maybe they'll give the updated one with the quarter results at the end of October or not. You won't see only 200k+ weeks in Japan at December either way.
Xenoverse 2 legs could last for a bit. Since it's full priced and sells, the announcement could take a bit longer.
How is Switch doing outside of Japan? i.e. how close to 10 million ww is it currently?
It'll also be interesting if they manage to do well in Japan while simultaneously breaking out of the approximate 1/3 1/3 1/3 spread of 3DS sales.
I obviously like that the Japanese market is peculiarly important to Nintendo's profile as my blathering in here evidences, but it would be better if they could make a device which, while appealing to the sensibilities of Japan, has better prospects abroad than 3DS.
I'm still guessing that if Switch is to beat 3DS in overall sales, its growth is going to be predominantly RoW and that approaching 3DS sales in Japan would be quite the accomplishment (but I think they have quite the promising product, so perhaps they can do it).
It'll also be interesting if they manage to do well in Japan while simultaneously breaking out of the approximate 1/3 1/3 1/3 spread of 3DS sales.
I obviously like that the Japanese market is peculiarly important to Nintendo's profile as my blathering in here evidences, but it would be better if they could make a device which, while appealing to the sensibilities of Japan, has better prospects abroad than 3DS.
I'm still guessing that if Switch is to beat 3DS in overall sales, its growth is going to be predominantly RoW and that approaching 3DS sales in Japan would be quite the accomplishment (but I think they have quite the promising product, so perhaps they can do it).
I doubt that they will destroy their forecast without advicing first, serious anti-trust issues otherwise.
SinCityAssassin
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It's possible. There aren't completely new Musou games other than this one that will hit the Switch this year.
They had a stable PC following, and found success on PSP/handhelds so by 2009 they stopped developing PC games. With how home consoles in Japan had been on a constant downward slope and handhelds are the last viable dedicated gaming market there, Falcom couldn't have chosen a worse timing for going home console exclusive.
Those who have to be informed for October-December shipments already are. I don't know if making it public from now or waiting until January to announce them would make any difference. There have been multiple times with DS and Wii before that Nintendo beated projected forecast by a lot.
Yagami_Sama
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Did Splatoon bundles helped Switch sell that many this week, or the bundles are already gone ?
I think it all comes down to how many they manufacture. If they manufacture way more than they forecast to sell, then there would be serious anti-trust issues if they sell that many. (ie; why did they manufacture so many which they didn't forecast to sell?), whereas the opposite (they manufacture too many and are sat with a lot) is just over-optimism, as long as they forecast to sell them.
Anyway, my point is that their forecast should give a good idea of numbers, of course, if they already over produced them, and then demand was far more than supply, then you might see something like that ... but that seems far more like Wii-U situation than Switch situation.
SinCityAssassin
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They've been gone since the last week.
Mind asking when you started your break? The euthanasia of Vita was one of the oddest things to watch in action. Until the end more Vita versions sold better than their first PS3 then PS4 counterparts even when the former were technical trash tier ports, and at one point developers just dropped the Vita versions.
Yagami_Sama
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I was not sure about the Splatoon 2 Bundle. So Switch numbers look even better. Also, Fifa 18 for Switch numbers are not that bad.
The transitions already happened dawg. We're looking at the last wave of stuff right now.
Ha ... I've never really been into handhelds, so can't comment on the quality of ports, so I'm not a Vita fan. I just saw Vita as being the successor to PC Engine and Saturn with regards to those games, and it sold very similar numbers to them (5-6m), and both of those platforms had niche otaku games released for them for years later, so I expected Vita to be the same. Of course, Vita is still getting games, so maybe my original thought isn't too far off ...
Edit: Just to clarify ... I thought most games would be multi PSV/PS4 rather than switching completely to PS4.
OfficerRaichu15
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12k is a decent first first week for the consoles first FIFA. Should grow some more next year as more and more people get it. Hopefully it did well in other countries too.
Smiles and Cries
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if you look at last week's post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250174055&postcount=111
seems 3DS had a 70K week while Switch managed to hit 73K so chipping away a little on 3DS's lead
Considering Fifa sales in the UK there's a decent chance Switch won't get Fifa next year.
plus seeing how Knack beat mario, I could see that franchise being quietly buried
Considering how many retail copies EA distributed or they didn't bother with a second episode on switch since the beginning or they will be actually surprised by the need of a second shipment
JonnyDBrit
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Ah, thanks. Yeah, only a small thing, and if the Switch resets to the current norm of 45-50k units a week, the 3DS'll still outpace it. Still, doing damned decent business.
SinCityAssassin
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We will have official sell-through data for worldwide at the end of October when the next financial briefing happens.
OfficerRaichu15
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UK=decision for future Switch FIFA?
First of all there is still a holiday.
Second of all some of te major UK retailers did not take preorders until a week before release and stock is an issue over there.
Plus the user base isnt even over 400k yet give it Time.
Anyway I think 12k is a good start for the game in Japan.
JonnyDBrit
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Just to clarify, will that be measuring up to October, or like, the end of September?
This used to be pretty standard investor information ... I assume that it still is, but I honestly don't know (Sony and Microsoft got away without publishing it any further ... OK, Sony got away with PS4 only, but I guess it was only a relatively small part of their company (and even smaller for Microsoft). It's basically all of Nintendo's company, and whilst they continue to release that data, they can't mislead investors without advising a significant deviation from their forecasts (at least when they are aware already).
Since they put in the effort for porting it once, worst case scenario is next year entry being just a roster update.
boiled goose
good with gravy
wut...
I think people should have made predictions for what would a good result would be for FIFA Switch Worldwide after a year.
Now it's all kneejerk reactions.
silpheed-mcd
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Former Square Enix Employee Arrested For Allegedly Stocking Up Game Consoles For Resale
Koji Takada made his name at Square Enix as a sales manager, with his name in the credits for games like Dragon Quest IX. Earlier last month, he was arrested for allegedly improperly ordering game consoles for resale, a violation of Japanese trust law.
According to Jiji Press, the 56-year-old Takada allegedly would deceptively buy Nintendo 3DS handhelds and other game consoles when making contracts with clients, reportedly saying the hardware was necessary. Then, its said Takada would supposedly resell the game machines, resulting in a 1.4 million yen ($12,374) loss for Square Enix.
This is alleged to have happened between November 2011 and September 2013. That month Square Enix disciplined Takada, Sankei News adds. The company brought charges for breaching trust law in December 2015.
Were making an effort in employee training to prevent this from happening again, Square Enix is quoted as saying.
https://kotaku.com/former-square-enix-employee-arrested-for-allegedly-stoc-1819095996
Koji Takada made his name at Square Enix as a sales manager, with his name in the credits for games like Dragon Quest IX. Earlier last month, he was arrested for allegedly improperly ordering game consoles for resale, a violation of Japanese trust law.
According to Jiji Press, the 56-year-old Takada allegedly would deceptively buy Nintendo 3DS handhelds and other game consoles when making contracts with clients, reportedly saying the hardware was necessary. Then, its said Takada would supposedly resell the game machines, resulting in a 1.4 million yen ($12,374) loss for Square Enix.
This is alleged to have happened between November 2011 and September 2013. That month Square Enix disciplined Takada, Sankei News adds. The company brought charges for breaching trust law in December 2015.
Were making an effort in employee training to prevent this from happening again, Square Enix is quoted as saying.
https://kotaku.com/former-square-enix-employee-arrested-for-allegedly-stoc-1819095996
As for FIFA ... this is stupid ... Switch FIFA sales are a rounding error in EA's sales. (Maybe 100k out of 10m sales), still, surely enough to justify western sales. Enough to justify localising for Japan? Most of it is probably localised already for the other versions, for first week sales of 10k? it probably costs the Switch localisation costs ... from then on, should be profit. Weird why people even care about Switch FIFA ... no reason why it shouldn't come next year.
xxbrothawizxx63
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Yet no problem announcing Xenoverse 2 Deluxe for PS4. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
They really didn't try to hide the fact that the Switch version was a complete cash grab for very long. I'm guessing Namco Bandai originally thought the DLC would be the only way to make worthwhile profit after expecting low sales.
Such a crappy thing to do to Switch owners when that version is exactly what many were asking for. I don't even want to pick it up on sale anymore tbh.
The UK is a massive market for FIFA games. It's one of the rare examples of where the UK is actually of importance to a Nintendo release.
The fact that EA has completely bungled the distribution in Europe just makes it worse.
Smiles and Cries
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that is why I think 70K needs to be the Switch's new norm. The demand is there for it Nintendo just needs to up the stock enough. This is about the time for 100k weeks anyway so anything at 50k or less is a letdown imo
UK is not just a massive market for FIFA, it is the biggest market for FIFA, 3m usually (hard to say exactly with digital nowadays).I think that it's pretty dificult to argue that EA have bungled EU distribution .... Switch version probably makes up less than 1% of FIFA sales.
lyrick
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The UK FIFA sales only represent performance in a second tier submarket of a second tier Market. It's relevance to gaming as a whole is about equal how well a NCAA game sells in Texas, It's relevance to a MC thread is even less.
I guess we'll know in about 3 weeks, in the quarterly report?
End of September
JonnyDBrit
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So the numbers for Japan should at least nominally align with the data for this thread then. Will be interesting to compare, and guess at where the to be 'present' numbers will be at during release.
Switch was at 4,7m last quarter. With increased shipments from Nintendo it must be somewhere between 7 and 7,5m.
It's a rounding error, if that ...
