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Lord of Ostia
Member
The newer fans clearly preferred other characters from Awakening than the ones picked for Warriors, as evidenced by the character polls. The roster isn't 'old vs. New fans' so much as it is KT and IS totally misreading the entire fanbase.
kuroneko0509
Member
lyn & celica isn't involved in the story anyway. I suppose when you have few resources left for non-story chara, ultimately they have to make sacrifice
It basically sold about what my expectations were given the switch in platforms mid-arc. Disappointing compared to releasing on two platforms? Sure. But not entirely unexpected at all, especially given that it's on PS4 there as a single platform SKU.
The quality of the gameplay/presentation has greatly improved thanks to the move imo, and I've really been enjoying the game so far.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I don't really get why FEW didn't span the whole series. Instead of wanting to do a sequel with other titles they should have just made 1 game with everything. Maybe I'm just dumb or uninformed but how are Roy and Ike not in the base game? Why wouldn't every smash bros character default be in?
lyrick
Member
It's too early in the thread for MonHun discussion.
I know its still really early, but I've been a bit underwhelmed at World comgnet numbers.
primasaurus
Member
Why Switch will have an amazing Christmas
http://www.gamesradar.com/how-ninte...ristmas-line-up-in-under-a-year/#comment-jump
http://www.gamesradar.com/how-ninte...ristmas-line-up-in-under-a-year/#comment-jump
I honestly don't think putting in Roy and Ike would suddenly net 30K+ more sales at launch.
I suspect that people who play Fire Emblem largely just don't care about games like this, and it's not like anything in the Musou series is doing particularly well lately either, so there's not really a "Musou buyers" market to prop something like this up otherwise.
I suspect that people who play Fire Emblem largely just don't care about games like this, and it's not like anything in the Musou series is doing particularly well lately either, so there's not really a "Musou buyers" market to prop something like this up otherwise.
This may be a sin against Fire Emblem because I don't play them or know anything about the characters.....
but if the first trailer I saw was something like Roy, Ike, Ryoma (?), and Lyn (?) all ticked off at each other and fighting in a scene, I'd be more interested in the game.
but if the first trailer I saw was something like Roy, Ike, Ryoma (?), and Lyn (?) all ticked off at each other and fighting in a scene, I'd be more interested in the game.
Lord of Ostia
Member
Because Koei Tecmo and Intelligent Systems didn't understand who were popular. Honestly, the character inclusions from Awakening feel like they just played the game's prologue and added the first characters they saw. Most people don't care about Frederick or Lissa that much.
WhatWeLeftBehind
Member
Pokken DX second week has a smaller drop then the Wii U version. That's really great to see.
Bad sales of FE but who really cares. Bad sales for Sen 3 are more worrying though. Not enough fans are moving to the PS4. Falcom overestimated their fanbase's willingness to go all in on an exclusive. The low sales of the PS4 ports for TX and Ys8 should have given them a clue. Goodbye 200k cash cow. Goodbye Kiseki series. Etc.
I imagine it was being pushed by Nintendo as a year 1 game, which meant that there were only so many roster picks and maps that they could get done in that time period. From what I've seen on the streams, the game is still a surprisingly robust game when it comes to content, but I think that having a smaller focus helped out with that.
Yep, you have to wait for at least 2 pages after the charts show up!
lyrick
Member
Do the included characters align to the results of the hero battles on Mobile [Fire Emblem Heroes]?
blitzwolf215
Member
See, I disagree. For a game like this, the roster is going to be one of the main things people focus on, its what people want to see. They want to see their favorite characters and this game ignored a bunch of popular ones.
Damn, why is FEW so expensive compared to the other Nintendo releases?
While "Roy + Ike = 30k more sales" is unlikely, I think if they had openned the first introduction with Roy, Bad Ike, Lyn, and, say, Lucina, then I think the narrative would have kicked off on a much better foot for the title in the long run and maybe helped its sales.
But it would probably still be minor, this title doesn't feel like it works all that well.
I'm expecting a lot of series to start fading out as we make the transition from last gen to this one.
The biggest issue though is that there aren't new brands coming in to replace them.
Skullwaker
Member
Disappointing but expected results for FEW and Trails of Cold Steel 3. I was interested in FEW at its reveal but honestly after the roster reveal Ive slowly lost interest. Ill still get the game eventually but maybe not at launch anymore.
Good hold for Pokken, and nice increases for MK8D, Splatoon 2 and Zelda. The latter should hit 600k and outsell Majoras Mask on Switch alone (at retail).
Great boost for Switch. Odyssey week is going to be insane.
Good hold for Pokken, and nice increases for MK8D, Splatoon 2 and Zelda. The latter should hit 600k and outsell Majoras Mask on Switch alone (at retail).
Great boost for Switch. Odyssey week is going to be insane.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Noones talking about it turning into some big success more that this game was a hard sell in the first place and they somehow managed to turn it into a harder sell.
Lord of Ostia
Member
A better roster would've helped. I honestly have no idea how much that would matter in terms of increased sales numbers, but the excitement from the core fanbase would be higher, which would mean more excitement and word of mouth overall.
No, you are right. As a huge FE fan, that would've gotten me more excited right off the bat.
It's not published by Nintendo in Japan. Like Hyrule Warriors, K-T did the honors.
kuroneko0509
Member
see my reply to your previous post. tell me how any of awakening side of the story can be recreated nicely, or at least the theme in which when you first play it in warriors you can briefly recall it with fan favourite chara like lon'qu or donnel just like you suggested earlier
Gotdatmoney
Member
I just wanna make it clear that I dont think the roster is why the game is doing bad. I think the product just looks boring but that is just a part of it. Still though, Smash Bros is the biggest fighting game series for the last like 3 generations, how would you not include the characters of a series where the last 3 iterations sold like 30 million copies?
Forgeting the domestic market, worldwide wouldn't this just be obvious?
The most popular characters would be the ones that appeared in Smash Bros as a starting point wouldn't they? You know, Ike, Roy, Marth, Lucina, Lyn? I dunno how that isn't immediately obvious.
But....
01./00. [PSP] Eiyuu Densetsu: Ao no Kiseki # <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) {2011.09.29} (¥6.090) - 127.938 / NEW
Nah, characters are only functions. Games would sell the same with stick figures.
On the other hand if they can keep selling with word of mouth and release Sen 4 within a year, maybe we'll see growth.
Lord of Ostia
Member
This is a fanservice game first and foremost, if you are including less popular characters for 'story reasons' you are already starting off on the wrong foot. I have absolutely 0 expectations for the story for this game, but I had expectations for the characters, and I was let down. I would guess that is true for most of the core FE fanbase. Sacrificing popular character picks for the roster in service of whatever crap story this game is going to have is just dumb.
My thoughts exactly. Fates, #FE, Heroes, Echoes, and now Warriors have all released in a pretty quick succession.
100% agreed. This is why I didn't say anything about FE. Lost interest in the roster and the game so I don't care if it flops. I'm sure Hayashi will find something else to produce with that staff.
lyrick
Member
On the other hand if they can keep selling with word of mouth and release Sen 4 within a year, maybe we'll see growth.
Will this Sen 4 be on a handheld or a mobile device?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I think they believed FE heroes would help grow the franchises retail sales much like it did with Pokémon (though that was mostly worldwide rather than in Japan). I don't think that actually happened and I feel like a number of FE fans were satisfied with just FEH.
With the success of the switch I'm not sure Nintendo will bother to try this this strategy much more beyond the announced titles.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Ah okay, I see why now. Misguided on Falcon's part. I don't see anything in Sen III that facilitates making it a PS4 exclusive anyway.
PS4.
They want to recreate this legend:
2010 - 04./00. [PSP] Eiyuu Densetsu: Zero no Kiseki (Nihon Falcom) - 84.360 / NEW
2011 - 01./00. [PSP] Eiyuu Densetsu: Ao no Kiseki # <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) {2011.09.29} (¥6.090) - 127.938 / NEW
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Vita is dead they're trying to unsuccessfully force the transition since it would have to happen anyway. Only other choices are pc release or mobile/switch.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
MHW seems to be doing notably better on COMG than DQXI PS4. Bodes well for now.
I dunno. Maybe FEW just wasn't appealing.
I think we may be sleeping on FE.
A part of me still thinks FE Switch will be huge
edit:
oh yea Echoes came out. Well not sure what to say about that.
It's western performance wasn't bad right? I forget
I thought it would've been cool.....if I got that cutscene I wanted.
FEW is a game literally nobody asked for.
I'd be so pissed if Falcom just drop the series like that.
I'd be so pissed if Falcom just drop the series like that.
Fire Emblem Heroes is actually a strategy game, which is a natural fit for the series.
Echoes is a filler game that was also part of Nintendo's misguided late-life 3DS software push, though by the standard of how that has been going, it did outperform most of the rest of that idea.
When making stuff like this, you really want to be considering what your audience might want and using strong, global market research to determine what you should and shouldn't go for, rather than just trying to feel it out.
I'll point to Monster Hunter Stories as another misguided product that went "Well our brand is good in category A, so why not unrelated category Z!" and then tanked.
Echoes is a filler game that was also part of Nintendo's misguided late-life 3DS software push, though by the standard of how that has been going, it did outperform most of the rest of that idea.
When making stuff like this, you really want to be considering what your audience might want and using strong, global market research to determine what you should and shouldn't go for, rather than just trying to feel it out.
I'll point to Monster Hunter Stories as another misguided product that went "Well our brand is good in category A, so why not unrelated category Z!" and then tanked.
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
Yeah, the character selection isn't the greatest, but what's even worse are the MC designs. They're so boring.
What method do you use to compare? MHW started preorders when it had an info blowout at TGS, while DQXI preorders were open before its event in April, but only then honestly started. So, I think a comparison of "100 days out for both" makes little sense in light of the above, for example. Do you use this method or some other approach?
Whatever they do, I'm not getting a PS4 for them.
So if they do that, goodbye.
Exactly. For crossover games like Fire Emblem Warriors, roster is paramount. Gameplay, narrative, and graphical quality are not the major selling points. Killing mooks with your favorite character is. A bad roster makes a game like this pointless.
While I was hoping for greater than 100k FW this FW for Sen 3 does fall back much closer to Falcom's previous Kiseki releases on PSP. It was only beginning with Sen 1 and the dual platforms that their sales skyrocketed above the norm for them.
Here's hoping it doesn't affect Falcom and we can continue on with their PS4 releases. Kondo commented that the PS4 was far easier to develop for thanks to its specs, though they had to rely on outside contractors for the first time to develop graphical assets.
Kiseki will be fine, stop trolling duckroll!
Here's hoping it doesn't affect Falcom and we can continue on with their PS4 releases. Kondo commented that the PS4 was far easier to develop for thanks to its specs, though they had to rely on outside contractors for the first time to develop graphical assets.
Kiseki will be fine, stop trolling duckroll!
Skullwaker
Member
So half of Xenoverse 2s PS4 LTD would be a pretty good result for the Switch version right? It seems to have decent legs so far, but well see how they are in the coming weeks (especially with the news of the Deluxe version).
You are comparing the lowest number for Sen 2 with the highest number of Sen 3 (of the ranges you posted) and you still end up with Sen 3 selling 25% less than Sen 2. Thats your best case. I really dont see how a minimum drop of 25% can be considered as not big.