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Of course the sales can increase but what numbers are we talking about where it isnt seen as a continued failure? 30k a week, 40k a week?

I dont know. I just wanted to ask about the claim about someone who said that the Vita would bounce to high sales. The Vita sales are already very low, so anything would be an improvement i guess.

 

[Father_Brain]

No, I wouldn't rule out GameCube numbers. I'm not predicting if it will do more or less though.

We can rule out GC numbers until and unless the software situation improves significantly. GC had over 30 games that broke 200K; Vita has one for 2013 with more than a marginal chance of breaking that number (Soul Sacrifice).

 

[electroplankton]

I dont know. I just wanted to ask about the claim about someone who said that the Vita would bounce to high sales. The Vita sales are already very low, so anything would be an improvement i guess.

One has to wonder, then, whether the improvement will be enough or not to keep Vita in the market one more year.

 

[Snakeyes]

What makes you think Nintendo hasn't already scooped those two games up for the WiiU, hahha

Good point!

A 3DS FF7 remake with high-poly character models and Bravely Default style 3D backgrounds could be really neat.

 

[zroid]

I don't think so.
Remaking Final Fantasy VII is a big undertaking (there is a reason why they are doing 10 first).
For what then, release it on vita or at best ps3?

That's why I said IF Sony finances it fully

Spoiler

they won't, and can't afford it anyway

 

[Celine]

That's why Nintendo has two secret subsidiaries.

I don t get it.
Grinding jobs in DQ6 fry my brain.

That's why I said IF Sony finances it fully

Spoiler

they won't, and can't afford it anyway

What I meant is that just splashing the cash won't be enough for a full remake of old Squaresoft best selling game.

 

[Giant Panda]

At this point should Sony slowly kill off the Vita next year? Release all games currently in development but start no new games?

 

[RukusProvider]

If we had real games journalism they would hold Sony's feet to the fire about the "lets wait until after the holidays" line.

 

[Chris1964]

Vita's future depends on how convincing Sony's arguments can be and how much they're willing to invest to make it a success.
They have to stage a full relaunch to make a comeback. It's not something ordinary, but it's far from impossible. There have been good signs with the latest Vita software announcements.
Also there are unpredictable variables such as new original games which become unexpected hits and people start buying hardware to play them.
PS3 at some point was selling 4k units weekly and was struggling to reach 1m units LTD in Japan. Even PSP success in Japan came much later in the lifecycle and when it happened it was explosive, the same happened to the Nintendo DS but in the west, initially sales were poor then things changed completely with the DSi and a few specific games.
So no it's far too soon to draw conclusions.

You are one of the last who still believe a PSP/PS3 comeback (or even a respectable comeback) in Japan is possible.

 

[test_account]

One has to wonder, then, whether the improvement will be enough or not to keep Vita in the market one more year.

It will, no problem. If the Xbox 360 can survive on the market for 7 years, the Vita can at least manage one more year from now.

 

[ReyBrujo]

I'm gonna get the PSP version because I can make out with the screen without worrying about setting off a bunch of touchscreen stuff.

Don't worry, there is a setting to turn off touch screen controls so that you can touch boobs without advancing in the story.

 

[Graphics Horse]

At this point should Sony slowly kill off the Vita next year? Release all games currently in development but start no new games?

They're probably half way there. Do they have any announced games from Japan studios? I only see Tearaway and Killzone: M
Other than that there's the Ratchet & Clank, PSABR & Sly games which are primarily for PS3 and should be almost finished.

 

[BKK]

One has to wonder, then, whether the improvement will be enough or not to keep Vita in the market one more year.

I don't see why that would be necessary. They just have to reduce the marketing to match the sales and not drop the price below cost once components reduce in price (which should still be driven by economies of scale in the mobile sector). They can still support it with cheap PS3 ports (Sega supported Game Gear for 7 years in this way and that sold less than 2m in Japan).

 

[zroid]

What I meant is that just splashing the cash won't be enough for a full remake of old Squaresoft best selling game.

Well they wouldn't necessarily have to do it in-house. It could easily be outsourced with supervision or whatever. If you've got money to spend, and people willing to work, you can get 'er done.

But this is all academic, anyway, not really worth discussing tbh.

 

[Chris1964]

So, we know Nintendo did 400k + on launch week in NA.
We know they'll be close up around 700k in Japan by the end of 2012.

What are the odds they didn't pull 8-900k in Dec in NA + Europe since its launch?

I think they're still on track to hit their 2 million by year end target.

The only target Nintendo has is 5.5 million until March. I don't know where that "2 million by year end" paranoia is coming from.

 

[electroplankton]

It will, no problem. If the Xbox 360 can survive on the market for 7 years, the Vita can at least manage one more year from now.

360 survived thanks to Western support, and multi with PS3. 360 has actually sold well in the West. Vita is non-existent in all markets.

 

[test_account]

360 survived thanks to Western support, and multi with PS3. 360 has actually sold well in the West. Vita is non-existent in all markets.

All true, but do you want to make a bet about the Vita tracking zero systems sold in week 1 of 2014?

 

[NateDrake]

What does Sony need to do in other regions to hit their projected Vita + PSP sales figure? PS Vita sales didn't jump much in Japan, but in USA and Europe it should be doing much better.

 

[Scum]

The only target Nintendo has is 5.5 million until March. I don't know where that "2 million by year end" paranoia is coming from.

It's going to take something for NCL to reach this. Unless they have announcements planned we don't know about...

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

The only target Nintendo has is 5.5 million until March. I don't know where that "2 million by year end" paranoia is coming from.

A while ago in another thread I heard something like 3-4m by year's end, but I'm not sure where that came from, either.

 

[BriBri]

It's going to take something for NCL to reach this. Unless they have announcements planned we don't know about...

I'm guessing announcements need to be made http://search1.nintendo.co.jp/searc...ard[13]=dsiWare&x=240&y=26&limit=&view_order=

 

[Duckhuntdog]

I don't believe the WiiU number this week is alarming. January is going to be brutal, very brutal though. That said if worse comes to worse, Iwata has shown he is willing to take action and make the hard decision to price cut, which could very well happen.

 

[Elios83]

You are one of the last who still believe a PSP/PS3 comeback (or even a respectable comeback) in Japan is still possible.

And so? Should I be concerned?
I've never said I believe it's going to happen, I said that it's still a possibility and objectively it is. The system still hasn't got its first price cut or a redesign and it is still waiting for a good flow of big games. The japanese market has responded positively to the platform when games like P4 and Hatsune Miku have been released which proves that people are interested in it as long as interesting games are released. So it mainly depends on Sony's execution and their will to invest (getting the proper support and lowering the price) to make the platform successful. It's not something like Xbox where the brand is just refused or in the west where dedicated gaming handhelds are becoming less and less important regardless of the product's value and software lineup.
I just leave the door open for something that could happen just like it happened in the past for other consoles, while others just want a product to fail.

 

[electroplankton]

All true, but do you want to make a bet about the Vita tracking zero systems sold in week 1 of 2014?

Of course I didn't imply that. Was GC selling zero units in 2005? Was Dc selling zero units in 2001? Etc.

 

[test_account]

The only target Nintendo has is 5.5 million until March. I don't know where that "2 million by year end" paranoia is coming from.

A while ago in another thread I heard something like 3-4m by year's end, but I'm not sure where that came from, either.

I think these are numbers from analysts that somehow have been mixed up to that it is Nintendo's own predictions.

It's going to take something for NCL to reach this. Unless they have announcements planned we don't know about...

I think that is 5.5 million shipped, not sold. It could be achieved.

Of course I didn't imply that. Was GC selling zero units in 2005? Was Dc selling zero units in 2001? Etc.

Ah ok, i thought with "keep Vita in the market" that you ment that it wasnt selling anymore. Personally i do concider the Xbox 360 to still be in the market eventhough that it is selling very little.

 

[ohlawd]

PL vs AA, where the hell did you go?

 

[Scum]

I'm guessing announcements need to be made http://search1.nintendo.co.jp/searc...ard[13]=dsiWare&x=240&y=26&limit=&view_order=

lol

Just launch WiiU VC already, NCL. Gamecube VC games on the Gamepad. Do it!

 

[Mpl90]

And so? Should I be concerned?
I've never said I believe it's going to happen, I said that it's still a possibility and objectively it is. The system still hasn't got its first price cut or a redesign and it is still waiting for a good flow of big games. The japanese market has responded positively to the platform when games like P4 and Hatsune Miku have been released which proves that people are interested in it as long as interesting games are released. So it mainly depends on Sony's execution and their will to invest (getting the proper support and lowering the price) to make the platform successful. It's not something like Xbox where the brand is just refused or in the west where dedicated gaming handhelds are becoming less and less important regardless of the product's value and software lineup.
I just leave the door open for something that could happen just like it happened in the past for other consoles, while others just want a product to fail.

Japan answered to Persona 4 and Hatsune Miku in the same way it answered to Blue Dragon, Star Ocean 4, Tales of Vesperia and Lost Odyssey on 360.

 

[electroplankton]

lol

Just launch WiiU VC already, NCL. Gamecube VC games on the Gamepad. Do it!

I hope Nintendo won't miss the big opportunity they have: HD collections of their Wii / GC games. They could fill the line-up with minimal effort by offering something people would actually buy.

Japan answered to Persona 4 and Hatsune Miku in the same way it answered to Blue Dragon, Star Ocean 4, Tales of Vesperia and Lost Odyssey on 360.

By selling the device once having played the game? I remember some people from Japan stating that there were many Vitas in the second-hand market after Persona 4 was released.

 

[Scum]

I hope Nintendo won't miss the big opportunity they have: HD collections of their Wii / GC games. They could fill the line-up with minimal effort by offering something people would actually buy.

I expect the will. But with Nintendo, it's always a matter of when.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

I expect the will. But with Nintendo, it's always a matter of when.

I still cant believe they havent put gba games for sale on the 3DS shop. With Nintendo id say with these sort of things its too little too late.

 

[Mpl90]

Toriko's comparison: Monster Hunting v.s. Monster Collection RPG

Famitsu

[PSP] Toriko: Gourmet Survival (Bandai Namco) - 28.887 / 89.415
[PSP] Toriko: Gourmet Survival! 2 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.230) - 15.672 / 59.462
[3DS] Toriko: Gourmet Monsters! <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.13} (¥5.800) - 28.318 / 62.748

Media Create

[PSP] Toriko: Gourmet Survival | ACT | (Bandai Namco) {2011.08.04} | ¥5.229 | - 28.147 / 91.030
[PSP] Toriko: Gourmet Survival! 2 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.230) - 15.187 / 53.827
[3DS] Toriko: Gourmet Monsters! <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.13} (¥5.800) - 31.970 / 75.116

 

[Scum]

I still cant believe they havent put gba games for sale on the 3DS shop. With Nintendo id say with these sort of things its too little too late.

It's absurd. NCL have the means to have a great deal of software for the VC that can seriously help out. But it's like they feel to save it all for when shit gets bad...

 

[Striek]

It's going to take something for NCL to reach this. Unless they have announcements planned we don't know about...

Nintendo will make their Wii U shipped forecast if they manufacture them, WW supply chain could hold a couple million units. I don't know why theres doubt for that, even Sony managed to do it with PS3 even though a lot were sitting on shelves.

More interesting is whether they meet their revised 3DS forecast. Its "only" 2 million more for the second half than they did last year, but Japan is more or less even this quarter, the US was down in Oct/Nov and I assume will be down in December, so Europe will have to make a huge difference and it will have to have a healthy Jan-Mar.

 

[Mpl90]

Comgnet's corner

[NDS] Dragon Quest V - 210pt
[NDS] Dragon Quest VI - 325pt
[3DS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D - 107pt

Quite a bit higher than DQM remake, so far. And actually DQM in the end had more preorders than DQV.

[PS3] Devil May Cry 4 - 235pt
[PS3] DmC - 49pt

Poor Capcom.

[PSP] Digimon World RE: Digitize - 90pt
[PSP] Digimon Adventure - 41pt

Not so good for the nostalgia trip represented by Digimon Adventure, but it all depends on Namco's expectations

 

[nickcv]

i don't know if anyone cares, but i keep doing these:

famitsu software

media create software

edit:
PSP > Wii
Wii U > PSV

 

[AzaK]

Everybody is expecting low sales for Wii U in January.

The real question is will it fall down to Vita levels of low?

Probably. We all know the only thing that would have worked for them is if they had have made the machine similar in power and specs to a high end PC. Anything less is basically dead in the water.

Spoiler

Or so people on NeoGAF tell me

 

[disco]

Probably. We all know the only thing that would have worked for them is if they had have made the machine similar in power and specs to a high end PC. Anything less is basically dead in the water.

Spoiler

Or so people on NeoGAF tell me

Likewise, I wonder what the sales of the PS4 in Japan will be like in January 2014...

 

[shinra-bansho]

Nintendo will make their Wii U shipped forecast if they manufacture them, WW supply chain could hold a couple million units. I don't know why theres doubt for that, even Sony managed to do it with PS3 even though a lot were sitting on shelves.

Hmm. I don't think Sony managed to get retailers to hold millions of units.

Retailers managed to sell through around 1.2M in the US and Japan of the initial 1.7M PS3 shipment in CY06Q4. 500K in the US/JPN retail channels.

They subsequently only sold through another ~900K in the US and Japan in CY07Q1; but shipped 1.8M units globally. So a cumulative 2.1M sold-through in the US and Japan of a 3.5M global shipment. The keyword being global at this point though.

Presumably they only managed to do this because the bulk of this 1.4M units in the retail channels was for the PAL territories launch (which was pretty much shown by the paltry 0.7M units shipped in CY07Q2).

Nintendo having launched globally, doesn't have any impending launches for which to supply retailers come March 2013. A couple million units seems something of a stretch for retailers to hold.

 

[StreetsAhead]

A while ago in another thread I heard something like 3-4m by year's end, but I'm not sure where that came from, either.

I did say at one point they'd want to have 2.5~3 million world wide shipped by the end of December in order to make the 5.5 by March.

What is more concerning, frankly, is their 25m non-bundled software prediction given the current sales although that number is supposed to include any and all(paid) downloads.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

At this point should Sony slowly kill off the Vita next year? Release all games currently in development but start no new games?

In June they tried to bring Vita back to life with MGS, Gundam and Persona, obviously they failed.

In August, Miku came but her legs were broken and full of cellulite.

March is their next big shot: Tales of Hearts, Soul Sacrifice, some multis, and obviously a price cut, maybe even a redesign?

We will see how that goes. Especially because we don't know what's coming after that. Another drought?

 

[jeremy1456]

I thought the negativity surrounding the Wii U numbers was purely sarcasm.

After reading through more posts I'm not sure. It just doesn't make sense - those are respectable numbers.

 

[donny2112]

PS3 at some point was selling 4k units weekly

And had MGS4 and FFXIII coming exclusively* to the system. Just like 3DS always had Mario Kart + other Nintendo franchises coming exclusively to the system. Vita has _____ coming exclusively to the system?

 

[bigtroyjon]

I did say at one point they'd want to have 2.5~3 million world wide shipped by the end of December in order to make the 5.5 by March.

What is more concerning, frankly, is their 25m non-bundled software prediction given the current sales although that number is supposed to include any and all(paid) downloads.

It includes retail game download versions, not all downloads. eshop only stuff or DLC doesn't count in that.

 

[LOCK]

The next two weeks are going to be very telling for the Wii U. It will drop in next weeks numbers, but how much? That should be very telling about the systems supply. While the Week 1 data should let us know how much it is wanted from kids really.

 

[guek]

i don't know if anyone cares, but i keep doing these:

famitsu software

http://i.imgur.com/sYdet.png[img]

[B]media create software[/B]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/pl20m.png[img][/QUOTE]

You really need to change some of those colors dude. Literally impossible for me to tell some of those apart.

[quote="jeremy1456, post: 45789266"]I thought the negativity surrounding the Wii U numbers was purely sarcasm.

After reading through more posts I'm not sure. It just doesn't make sense - those are respectable numbers.[/QUOTE]

I think the main thing is that they're certainly not GREAT numbers. They're slightly disappointing, all in all. Bomba? No. But gaf likes to make everything as dramatic as possible. Either you live up to the PS2/DS/Wii or you're riding along the river Styx next to the Vita

 

[jeremy1456]

I think the main thing is that they're certainly not GREAT numbers. They're slightly disappointing, all in all. Bomba? No. But gaf likes to make everything as dramatic as possible. Either you live up to the PS2/DS/Wii or you're riding along the river Styx next to the Vita

If you look at past numbers for just launched consoles it's not even particularly disappointing. New Super Mario Bros. U is an evergreen title so January really will not be as brutal as everyone seems to, against logic, think.

This actually seems pretty close to what the Wii was doing. I realize that it was supply constrained a great deal at this point in its life, but it's performing on par with the PS3 at its highest points and for some reason very few people on GAF regard that system as a failure, yet Wii U is somehow bombing.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

You really need to change some of those colors dude. Literally impossible for me to tell some of those apart.



I think the main thing is that they're certainly not GREAT numbers. They're slightly disappointing, all in all. Bomba? No. But gaf likes to make everything as dramatic as possible. Either you live up to the PS2/DS/Wii or you're riding along the river Styx next to the Vita

Id say the numbers are decent but dissapointing compared to Wii. However, considering a lot of GAF's predictions/expectations for Wii U im not sure id say they were dissapointing; i'd say these numbers are expected or even better then what a lot were predicting(not refering to sales gaf) which ranged from below Wii to bomba.

 

[bigtroyjon]

PSP+PSV(2011 YTD)=2,413,744
PSP+PSV(2012 YTD)=1,528,060(-36.7%)

Looking ahead to Week 52, PSP+PSV did 105,394 in 2011.

3DS+DS(2011 YTD)=4,736,175
3DS+DS(2012 YTD)=5,315,801(+12.2%)

Looking ahead to week 52, 3DS+DS did 203,754 in 2011.

All handhelds(2011 YTD)=7,149,919
All handhelds(2012 YTD)=6,843,861(-4.3%)

Some extra info looking ahead, total sales for 2011.
PSP=2,079,152
PSP+PSV=2,519,138

3DS=4,282,142
3DS+DS=4,939,929

All handhelds=7,459,067

 

[schuelma]

I think something to keep in mind when comparing Wii U to Wii is acknowledging that Wii was a phenomenon in Japan because of Wii Sports and Wii Play- (though Zelda certainly sold ok in the end). I'm not saying those games don't count or anything like that- but I do think that in terms of building a userbase receptive to more core game experiences, NSMB U, NintendoLand (I swear!!), and to a much lesser extent MH 3G HD might be more valuable towards that goal.

I dunno..just thinking out loud.