Well that is good for SS and Vita. I wonder how much they shipped.
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Media Create Sales: Week 9, 2013 (Feb 25 - Mar 03)
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Well that is good for SS and Vita. I wonder how much they shipped.
michaelius
Banned
5200 yen ? isn't that like really cheap for current gen game ?
AranhaHunter
Banned
Right. Moneyhats are not necessarily a bad thing, it's all about the bottom line. 3rd party companies look at what the moneyhat is and decide what is best for their business. Console manufacturers moneyhat for a variety of reasons and they also look to see if it makes business sense to moneyhat a franchise or a company. Sometimes the 3rd party or the console manufacturer misreads the market and the moneyhat turns out to not be so good for their bottom line though.
If pub takes returns there is no risk.
Publishers in Japan almost never do.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Oh, the no-money-changing-hands thing was in reference to when Nintendo secured the Resident Evil deal (REmake exclusive, RE0 exclusive, RE2/3/CVX ports) not the Capcom 5. Of course only 4 of the Capcom 5 came out, and only 1 even was exclusive, so that would make a pretty terrible moneyhat example if that's what you're suggesting.
I outlined incentives above in the thread, it's stuff like promotional support, co-publishing deals, IP lending, dev support, bundles, dedicated peripherals, royalty cuts, sales assurances, etc. And I think it's fair to use the term interchangeably with moneyhats, just worth noting which companies do what.
Well obviously I disagree, that's not my issue. The problem is you keep making the same (bannable) accusation and yet keep failing to explain or substantiate it. And all that despite coming to the same end conclusion on your own when asked specificaly, which is rather hilarous.
I've said my piece on it though. Since you endlessly refuse to explain to me how I was port begging, even when I asked for my own benefit (so I can avoid such misunderstandings in the future) I'm simply going to assume you didn't like what I said and just trolled (like Dave) to sidetrack the discussion or something.
Keeping this up is 100% unsatisfying in fact. Troll someone else, I'm done with you.
Sony might want to in this case.
metalslimer
Member
Capcom should have put MH4 on PS3 for maximum profit? What kind of nonsense is this? And with the collapse of big selling games on PSP in the last year why in the world would they have made MH4P a PSP game? In fact, I'll say MH4 will probabbly sell better on the 3DS than it would have on the PSP despite the userbase difference. It doesn't matter anyway, by the end of next year the 3DS will have overtaken the PSP.
Also the cost of making an HD MH4 for PS3 would have made it not worth it to begin with, not to mention the fact that it would be a lot more difficult to port between PS3/PSP than it was Wii/PSP and I'm pretty sure that was one of the main drivers of Capcom deciding to go with Wii in the first place, and another factor in choosing the 3DS.
The idea that Capcom is struggling behind some exclusivity contract with Nintendo just waiting to port MH4 is pretty ridiculous considering the type of game it is and we've discussed the userbase argument a lot in these threads which is exactly why God Eater PSP/3DS makes no sense right now.
Oh and really happy to see Soul Sacrfice do decently. It looks like a fantastic game. Vita might just be able to stay over 50k yet.
Also the cost of making an HD MH4 for PS3 would have made it not worth it to begin with, not to mention the fact that it would be a lot more difficult to port between PS3/PSP than it was Wii/PSP and I'm pretty sure that was one of the main drivers of Capcom deciding to go with Wii in the first place, and another factor in choosing the 3DS.
The idea that Capcom is struggling behind some exclusivity contract with Nintendo just waiting to port MH4 is pretty ridiculous considering the type of game it is and we've discussed the userbase argument a lot in these threads which is exactly why God Eater PSP/3DS makes no sense right now.
Oh and really happy to see Soul Sacrfice do decently. It looks like a fantastic game. Vita might just be able to stay over 50k yet.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
For what reason? If there's demand for the game that demand will last beyond 1 week and they'll order more, if there isn't demand, Sony has to reimburse the stock not sold, provide storage and movement of said stock, which unecessarily increase costs.
To avert supply shortages and increase sales #s of both the game and the hardware. I have no doubt Fire Emblem, for example, will sell less because the game hasn't been available since its release in N.A.
And its not a huge deal. Book/Music pubs do it all the time.
Yes, I agree, obviously they never really know and the results can be surprising sometimes.
Well, even Tales of Vesperia come out on PS3 after it has been a 360 exclusive, maybe they are time limited or there is some get-out clause, lol. In the end moneyhats or incentives the important thing is that you have an exclusive product that will be important for your platform.
Is that your site? You know this thing is bannable?
We are talking about Japan and video games. And we know it is not a common practice for it to happen there. It sounds like your wishful thinking.
Also, the game is available digitally.
EDIT:
are you on MC thread for the first time? He is given permission to post it for a long time now.
Dont be that dude, he has been posting these pictures for years in MC threads. GAF Mods would have said something if there were problematic.
FWIW, I wasn't trolling. I chose not to continue the conversation with you because I generally avoid people that use the term 'troll' or 'fanboy' and I could see that it wasn't going to go anywhere anyway. You can ramble on about the millions of reasons that game X should have been on platform Y but I'm not getting involved.
lol he's been doing this for quite some time now and now you say something?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
FWIW I wasn't port begging. Just so we're clear here.
Just saying if Sony wants maximum sales numbers, they need product in stores and that is one way to ensure there is supply. Whether it is happening, dunno.
The_lascar
Member
Blue: first week
Red: other weeks
Red: other weeks
pharmboy044
Member
Anyone know how SS is looking on the JP PSN store? I would check but really can't with the new store design.
Blue: first week
Red: other weeks
56k for PSO2? A game that you can get for free? Please japan, never change.
Blue: first week
Red: other weeks
PSO2 looks like it debuted really good given the userbase and the fact it is free on PSN.
metalslimer
Member
The digital culture may be changing somewhat, but those sales just prove it will be long time before digital sales are a real threat to retail in japan.
Different system, but the fact that Tank Tank Tank sold anything at all when it was available for free months before hand is surprising.
Different system, but the fact that Tank Tank Tank sold anything at all when it was available for free months before hand is surprising.
So what exactly was in the retail version and how much did it cost? Considering that it was free on PSN .. I would assume most would go that route, no?
5,229 yen ( ~55 $)
Hellraider
Member
PSO2 Vita looks even better now, great!Let's hope it has equal success with it's microtransactions.
Is it a real free to play or another pay to win? I didn't try the game yet.
electroplankton
Banned
Ni no Kuni was quite hyped back then: Level-5 + DS + Studio Ghibli + holiday season. But it's true that in general new IPs haven't had big shipments recently. Demon's Souls, Bravely Default, Fantasy Life, Rhythm Thief, all had supply problems at the beginning.
That was surely one of the elements to please Capcom, and to incentivize Monster Hunter development. I mean, Circle Pad Pro was originally released more than one year ago, and no Nintendo game has used it so far, but Kid Icarus: Uprising, where the implementation looks really rushed (I believe the team itself stated they didn't know anything about the peripheral until some months before the release).
Limited edition only
No, he doesn't.
First day sellthrough
Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F < 60%
Soul Sacrifice [Limited Edition] - 70%
Tales of Hearts R - 50-60%
Far Cry 3 -70-80%
Ultra Man - zz
Doraemon - zzzz
So the bundle had a 70% sell-through? That doesn't sound too good.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
electroplankton
Banned
If Tales of Hearts R won't sell as much as Innocence R, it might be probably the last Tales of game on Vita.
the bundle with console is called the premium edition
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00AHA9GAI/
this is the limited edition
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00AHA5OCC/
So the limited edition is just the first print of the regular game? If so, that's pretty good.
Oh OK. What's the difference between the limited edition and the normal version of the game?
DragonSworne
Banned
Hopefully Namco refocus on 3DS with less shit Tales games. Or just go PS4 exclusive. That would be cool too.
50-60% is not a bad sell-through for the first day.
The one Tales of Tempest fan weeps in a corner. He won't get the ugly remake.
The one Tales of Tempest fan weeps in a corner. He won't get the ugly remake.
and then there's the double pack.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00AHA5OBS/
it is currently rising on Amazon now with new stock.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00AHA5OBS/
it is currently rising on Amazon now with new stock.
electroplankton
Banned
Indeed, it's not bad; it was just a thought about how it will sell, since it wasn't so high in the preorders and I didn't see much buzz around it. Anyway, there don't exist remakes only. PSP got remakes, porting, jRPG spin-offs, other genres spin-offs... But if there is not the userbase (or simply, it's tired)..
ShockingAlberto
Member
I think if they do decide to go ahead and do that, it will only materialize years from now and be too little, too late.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
How does first day sell through compare to the entire week's sell through? Actually hope Sony was confident enough in SS that they shipped a large amount so there weren't any supply issues. Believe SK could have sold a little better had it had more stock available, as a 94% sell through suggests many stores sold out completley and thus they have to turn away customers. Perhaps that may explain the 20k downloads for SK.
electroplankton
Banned
It depends on the type of game. Some games really sell a lot in the first day because targeted to specific audiences, and then slow down during the weekend. Some others start slower and then they keep selling well at the end of the week; this is the case for games for kids, causal, for example.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
That's the thing though, because SS has a successful online component the game has the potential to keep selling as more people get turned on to it.
electroplankton
Banned
This, and also because it's a new IP.
Hopefully Namco refocus on 3DS with less shit Tales games. Or just go PS4 exclusive. That would be cool too.
IMO The next Tales game is either going to be Tempest(please no), Symphonia 3DS/Wii U, a new game for the 3DS/PS3/Wii U(I'm not expecting another PS3 Tales though). There will probably be spinoffs announced for the 3DS and Vita as well.