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NCAA plans to gradually reinstate Penn State football scholarships
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BronsonLee
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That would likely kill Penn State, which would also kill State College. Kind of a tough go either way.
How would not having a football team kill Penn State?
DUFFMCWALIN
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The town would be significantly hurt. Not saying that it shouldn't happen or defending Penn State here, but football is a big deal to that school if you haven't noticed. A lot of money is brought in from it.
Well, actions should have consequences. And harboring a child rapist should have some pretty hefty consequences. Having a football team that brings in loads of money is not a right, it's a privilege, and they abused it beyond all bounds of human decency.
Megalosaro
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Literally everyone even remotely attached to the controversy is fired, dead or in jail.
The issue at Penn State goes beyond just the directly guilty individuals. This was a product of the toxic football culture present there, and if you look at any Penn State fan sites, it's obvious they haven't learned a thing.
BronsonLee
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I agree entirely, but the problem here is that if you kill that team, you really do kill that school. And State College is basically a college town. No school, no more town. That is a whole lot of innocent people caught up in that. It's way too complicated to say 'no fuck you you don't get a team'.
Again, I think the situation is complete garbage, but if you nuke that town for the actions of the football staff, as crass as it sounds, you'll be ruining a whole lot more lives than you need to.
And if you're really going to have a go at people for being in denial about how tragic this thing is, I don't know what to tell you there.
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Trojita
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lol did you just edit this out of the OP so you could make another post?
I'm conflicted about this. While it is nice for Students who had no connection to the incident to have scholarships to go to school, it is still a bit early for the NCAA and how sports players in College get a lot of passes already. The coaches at these schools have people in the departments trained to pick out the easiest classes for their students and know which teachers are "Sympathetic" to sports players. This goes on at every school though, and even in sports you would think aren't very popular. It also helps that they can pick these classes 100% for their students since they do get first dibs at classes at every university.
DUFFMCWALIN
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Not disagreeing at all. Just putting the other side out there. However I'm not sure if punishing the players and surrounding students, faculty, local area that was not involved in what happened is the proper move at this time. IDK the whole was a terrible, terrible tragedy.
I edited it out of the OP because I realized the OP should just include the article texts and not a personal opinion on the Paternos, since the thread title is about the NCAA reinstating scholarships and not the Paternos.
Nice assumption, though.
BronsonLee
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This is basically my opinion as well. I personally think it's way too early to even consider reinstating stuff for them, but if you remove that football team from Penn State, that school dies. The fact that it's literally a college town makes it even worse.
Basically imagine Varsity Blues, but in an entire fucking city D:
Hari Seldon
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You could eliminate the PSU football team and not kill the entire school haha. In fact, as a former student, eliminating the football team would have reduced the amount of chaos considerably on football weekends. I would have preferred it.
not to mention the new coach is apparently a real class act. They've made changes. That said, the NCAA is a joke.
Joe Paterno was once considered a class act. Just sayin'.
SwiftDeath
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You can say the same thing about pretty much ANY school with a multi-million dollar football program. Heck, you can probably start saying it about some of those absurd high school football programs in Texas.
busterhighman
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you could say that about any big football team. Fan sites are for the die-hards
Which is even more concerning. If this scandal happens at any of most Big Ten, Big Twelve, or $EC schools the school's fans probably react in a similar way. Paterno was a "legend" at PSU for so long so maybe the irrational denial and defense of his legacy wouldn't be as strong, but it would still happen.
Just look at how fans of rival teams react to news on a regular basis. I see this all the time with my alumni and our "rival":
Player on team A arrested:
"He made a mistake but they shouldn't suspend him." - team A fans
"What a scumbag. Suspend him. That program has no class just like their asshole coach." - team B fans.
Now switch it up - player on team B arrested for same thing:
"What a scumbag. Suspend him. That program has no class just like their asshole coach." - team A fans
"He made a mistake but they shouldn't suspend him." - team B fans.
Sports fandom is incredibly fickle.
The Penn State alumni, fans, students, administration, faculty, police, media, etc. that are part of the culture that places so much value on college football over raping innocent little kids are still alive. Let's wait until they're all dead a hundred years from now, and then we can revisit this...
peteykirch
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They truly deserved the death penalty for last year and this.
They also shouldn't have any home games televised nationally.
They also shouldn't have any home games televised nationally.
Can't get in the way of that money-making machine that is PSU football, though.
The brand is too big and too important for the NCAA to ignore. If this were some D3 school they'd be wiped off the face of the planet.
Oh yes, the tens of thousands of students through the whole thing that didn't give a crap about football are so much a part of this.
On the other hand, someone who probably had a lot more knowledge of the whole matter than he will ever let on is now governor of Pennsylvania.
peteykirch
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Can't get in the way of that money-making machine that is PSU football, though.
The brand is too big and too important for the NCAA to ignore. If this were some D3 school they'd be wiped off the face of the planet.
It's a joke, that entire community is a borderline cult.
Which is exactly why it's so important to send the message that no football program is so big and important that it outweighs the crimes it is responsible for.
But screw that, there's money to be made.
The whole PSU/Sandusky/Paterno affair was the last straw for me in following college football or even sports in general. My interest had waned over the past couple years, and I was never hardcore like some people are.
However, one simply can't ignore the myriad issues with how powerful these sports teams are, how much they get away with, and how corrupt and hypocritical the NCAA is.
It's an absolute joke, just like you said. I mean, for MONTHS people tried to defend Paterno. Two guys I knew who went to Penn State were in such denial. One of them said he cried when Paterno died.
Anybody who wasn't biased with fan allegiance knew from the minute the story leaked that the cover up was a group effort from top to bottom. Paterno was the king of that school for 3-4 decades. Winning some football games doesn't make you a "good person". A lot of college football fans said he got a "raw deal" when PSU fired him...
I have to stop myself now, though. I forgot how disgusted I was at the reaction to the Sandusky saga, and it wasn't even limited to PSU.
peteykirch
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I lost it when this one PSU apologist I work with said he thought that Joe Pa purposely refused medical treatment to die sooner and take secrets to the grave to protect the name PSU stands for.
peteykirch
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See what makes no sense to me is this;
Every player that was on the team when the sanctions were levied down were given the chance to transfer to any school they want without losing eligibility.
Every recruit was told up front about the sanctions and the fact they most likely will never go to a bowl game.
There was no bait and switch, it was cut and dry.
Every player that was on the team when the sanctions were levied down were given the chance to transfer to any school they want without losing eligibility.
Every recruit was told up front about the sanctions and the fact they most likely will never go to a bowl game.
There was no bait and switch, it was cut and dry.
BronsonLee
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Pretty much. Penn State was/is quite a prestigious school, even with this hanging over it's head.
And Corbett is a butt.
You are advocating the destruction of an entire town over the actions of few. You must see how that is an extremely rash move to do.
Someone in here said it wouldn't affect Penn State to lose the football team. They are wrong. You cannot in good faith think that killing the careers/destroying the lives of thousands of people who had nothing to do with the situation at hand is a balanced punishment for the horrible situation that happened.
Those people are not the victims. They are part of the sick culture that enabled systemic child rape and protected its perpetrators. It's true that the scandal itself only implicated the administration, but the response to the scandal implicated the whole school.
They had their chance to show where they stood as a community, and boy did they ever show it. They should have fallen on their sword.
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