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[RuGalz]

It seems too soon to be part of their plan all along. XT2 made them hurry up?

Seems to be an attempt to bury m43 in general.

 

[Saturnman]

Seems to be an attempt to bury m43 in general.

They'll fail. Like they have since 2010.

 

[the better twin]

Seems to be an attempt to bury m43 in general.

Read a good theory that the 6300 had simply been delayed from around June 2015 and that this would be keeping with their upgrade cycle.

May 2010 NEX-5
Aug 2011 NEX-7 (15 months later)
Sep 2012 NEX-6 (13 months later)
Feb 2014 a6000 (17 months later)
June 2015 a6300 (16 months later, intended)
Oct 2016 a6500 (16 months later)

Best update imo the more comfortable viewfinder eyepiece, the a6000 one is so bad, I had to remove it .

 

[finalflame]

So..A6500 or X-T2?

 

[MisterNugNug]

So..A6500 or X-T2?

I was in a similar dilemma about a month and a half ago with the 6300 and XT2. I chose the XT2, just liked the overall form factor (love the dials and aperture rings) and lens selection.

 

[Rentahamster]

So..A6500 or X-T2?

From what I can tell, Fuji is the better choice right now over Sony.

 

[Fox_Mulder]

So..A6500 or X-T2?

Video: A6500
Photography: X-T2

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

So..A6500 or X-T2?

For APS-C, the choice is easy: XT-2.

If you were debating between an A7 (FF) or an XT-2 (Crop), it would be a much difficult decision.

 

[JadedWriter]

Video: A6500
Photography: X-T2

This makes all too much sense and it's my leaning on the whole field of mirrorless. I'm a stills man so I'm going Fuji, if I did both maybe Sony or I'd get a Panasonic GH4 or the replacement.

 

[iExplicit]

Shooting with a Canon 6D and 24-70 2.8 MkI.

Lens may be a bit old but Christ, it's getting the job done.

 

[longdi]

Seems to be an attempt to bury m43 in general.

A6000 series seem to get more expensive with every new iterations.

 

[RuGalz]

A6000 series seem to get more expensive with every new iterations.

MILCs in general are expensive imo. That's why I buy last gen, used, Fuji as second body. I'm still sticking to DSLR for the most part. But I'm a still person so I don't need all that other stuff they try to sell these days.

 

[Comalv]

Hey GAF!

I am struggling to decide on what compact camera to buy

The main things I am looking for is
- pocketability (doesn't have to fit in jeans pockets but in a jacket would be nice, as long as I don't have to have a separate bag/holster for it is small enough for me)
- fast lens/image quality so I can take RAWs with a decent amount of bokeh

Everything else is not as important (although unique features are welcome)

I have a Nikon D800 with the standard set of zooms and primes for everything serious, I am looking for this compact camera to take with me on small holidays and still be able to shoot a natural light portrait if I feel like it.

the main camera I was interested in was the Nikon DL but it keeps getting delayed and by the time it will actually hit the market it will be already old. I also probably need a compact before that happens (probably for november/christmas holidays)

The main contenders to that seem to be the following:

-Sony RX100 MkIV: good overall, image quality looks great, bokeh not so much but it seems usable, has some neat video features like super slo mo which might be fun once in a while. Has EVF and popup flash in case I need to trigger an external flash as optical slave

-Panasonic Lumix LX10 (LX15) - Announced at photokina, seems better than the RX100 mainly because it's newer so it has a better sensor, low light performance and lens. No EVF is a bummer, the problem is that it's good on papers but I don't know if there will be enough reviews by the time I need to actually make a purchase, if anyone tried it at Photokina please let me know

-Panasonic Lumix LX100 - similar Image Quality to the RX100, has a bigger sensor for better bokeh. It is however way to big for a compact from what I have seen, so that could be a deal breaker. It's also as old as the RX100

Let me know your suggestions!

Well with the announcement of the RX100-MkV, my problem is solved.

 

[Joel Was Right]

A few weeks ago, I lost my Fuji XT1 and 23mm lens on the subway. You can imagine how I felt that night. I just wanted to share with you that, after reporting it lost/missing, the subway network contacted me to let me know it was found!

Funnily enough, the notes on the logging system described it as a, "premium camera, several photos of a cat."

 

[Waldo Lydecker]

So..A6500 or X-T2?

It is all about the glass, so yeah... Fuji.

 

[JadedWriter]

It is all about the glass, so yeah... Fuji.

I heard even their 2.8-4 kit lens is good.

 

[QualityPixel]

A few weeks ago, I lost my Fuji XT1 and 23mm lens on the subway. You can imagine how I felt that night. I just wanted to share with you that, after reporting it lost/missing, the subway network contacted me to let me know it was found!

Funnily enough, the notes on the logging system described it as a, "premium camera, several photos of a cat."

I laughed at that punchline. Glad you got your gear back, I hope my camera is never lost/stolen.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

I heard even their 2.8-4 kit lens is good.

It's better than most kit lenses, and the build quality is a massive step up from the cheap shit you used to get from Canon on the Rebels and whatnot; but it's definitely only an entry point to the really good stuff.

 

[JadedWriter]

It's better than most kit lenses, and the build quality is a massive step up from the cheap shit you used to get from Canon on the Rebels and whatnot; but it's definitely only an entry point to the really good stuff.

I am tempted to trade my D7100 in for some store credit to put towards an XT-2 or something. How good are the really good Fuji lenses? I'm curious about their 50-140.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

I am tempted to trade my D7100 in for some store credit to put towards an XT-2 or something. How good are the really good Fuji lenses? I'm curious about their 50-140.

The Fuji lenses match supremely well with the X-Trans sensor and the "film modes" of the X-series cameras. The colors and sharpness, matched with milky skin on portraits and "pop" on landscapes make them a great package. That said, I'll be the first to admit that it's my preference for the processing Fuji does that gives what would typically be "very good glass" and makes for exceptional results.

I'd argue the best Fuji lenses easily stand toe-to-toe with some of the best L glass from Cannon and some of the go-to favorites on Nikon. The 10-24 f4, 23 1.4, 56 1.2, and 90mm f2 all seem to be regarded as exceptional lenses. Whether you like empirical data and measurements or are a subjective viewer, most reviews - both professional and hobbyist - are overwhelmingly positive. Furthermore, their build quality is damn great considering all the aforementioned lenses have gone on sale for under a grand multiple times.

That said, from what I've used, they absolutely can't compete for a pixel-peepers eye on pure resolution sharpness, perfect corners, and lack of vignetting. And mirrorelss AF just straight-up isn't as good as most prosumer models from Canon and Nikon; so even with great glass, you'll probably find yourself frustrated with more blur more often. Not really the lens' fault; but worth mentioning for sure. Furthermore, you have to remember you're going to be on a crop sensor probably forever. You'll never get some of the benefits of Full Frame. Granted, I don't think there's that much of a gap any more for anyone who doesn't need super high MP; but for some, FF is king and Fuji doesn't compete there. And if you want to go WIDE, you'll miss out a bit. But I have a Zeiss 12mm f2.8, and it's treated me pretty well.

Is it high-end Lecia or Zeiss comprable? Abso-fucking-lutely-not. But it's a fraction of the cost, too. Don't let people convince you its unrivaled - it isn't, period. But for the price? I have yet to be disappointed with a single lens in my kit.

 

[JadedWriter]

The Fuji lenses match supremely well with the X-Trans sensor and the "film modes" of the X-series cameras. The colors and sharpness, matched with milky skin on portraits and "pop" on landscapes make them a great package. That said, I'll be the first to admit that it's my preference for the processing Fuji does that gives what would typically be "very good glass" and makes for exceptional results.

I'd argue the best Fuji lenses easily stand toe-to-toe with some of the best L glass from Cannon and some of the go-to favorites on Nikon. The 10-24 f4, 23 1.4, 56 1.2, and 90mm f2 all seem to be regarded as exceptional lenses. Whether you like empirical data and measurements or are a subjective viewer, most reviews - both professional and hobbyist - are overwhelmingly positive. Furthermore, their build quality is damn great considering all the aforementioned lenses have gone on sale for under a grand multiple times.

That said, from what I've used, they absolutely can't compete for a pixel-peepers eye on pure resolution sharpness, perfect corners, and lack of vignetting. And mirrorelss AF just straight-up isn't as good as most prosumer models from Canon and Nikon; so even with great glass, you'll probably find yourself frustrated with more blur more often. Not really the lens' fault; but worth mentioning for sure. Furthermore, you have to remember you're going to be on a crop sensor probably forever. You'll never get some of the benefits of Full Frame. Granted, I don't think there's that much of a gap any more for anyone who doesn't need super high MP; but for some, FF is king and Fuji doesn't compete there. And if you want to go WIDE, you'll miss out a bit. But I have a Zeiss 12mm f2.8, and it's treated me pretty well.

Is it high-end Lecia or Zeiss comprable? Abso-fucking-lutely-not. But it's a fraction of the cost, too. Don't let people convince you its unrivaled - it isn't, period. But for the price? I have yet to be disappointed with a single lens in my kit.

If I got one it'd be for fun since I'm getting tired of dragging around my dslr's for my street stuff. I already have an FF in my D600, contemplating getting a D4 if I can find one for the right price for my indoor low light events work so if I got an XT-2 or 1 it'd just be for the fun of it and to save my poor back lol.

 

[RuGalz]

If I got one it'd be for fun since I'm getting tired of dragging around my dslr's for my street stuff. I already have an FF in my D600, contemplating getting a D4 if I can find one for the right price for my indoor low light events work so if I got an XT-2 or 1 it'd just be for the fun of it and to save my poor back lol.

you know something like the 50-140 isn't exactly small and imo less comfortable to use on smaller bodies.

 

[JadedWriter]

you know something like the 50-140 isn't exactly small and imo less comfortable to use on smaller bodies.

Yeah you do have a point regarding that. Should I be going M43's then? How are Olympus and Panasonic glass?

 

[panthapanda]

I'm totally regretting not jumping on that Craigslist deal for the 17-55 for like 400$ but then again I might be out of 400$ or not alive.

 

[reggieandTFE]

Yeah you do have a point regarding that. Should I be going M43's then? How are Olympus and Panasonic glass?

They vary from good to excellent with the associated prices too match. And because the system is developed, there's now a range of lenses depending on whatever type of kit you want to build: compact, video-oriented, large pro zooms, pancakes, etc.

 

[RuGalz]

Yeah you do have a point regarding that. Should I be going M43's then? How are Olympus and Panasonic glass?

Can't say I know enough about them. I only know the Oly's Pro lenses are quite fantastic. Then again the 40-150mm isn't small or light either. For me, if I simply want a lighter package I'd just get a mid-range plastic body to go with my 50-135mm. But I remember you said you need to have 2 dials so I guess you are SOL with Nikon line.

 

[JadedWriter]

Can't say I know enough about them. I only know the Oly's Pro lenses are quite fantastic. Then again the 40-150mm isn't small or light either. For me, if I simply want a lighter package I'd just get a mid-range plastic body to go with my 50-135mm. But I remember you said you need to have 2 dials so I guess you are SOL with Nikon line.

Are these things heavier or lighter than the Sigma 70-200 I've been using as a walk around lens lately?

They vary from good to excellent with the associated prices too match. And because the system is developed, there's now a range of lenses depending on whatever type of kit you want to build: compact, video-oriented, large pro zooms, pancakes, etc.

I'm looking and Olympus has an excellent amount of diversity.

 

[RuGalz]

Are these things heavier or lighter than the Sigma 70-200 I've been using as a walk around lens lately?

I'm looking and Olympus has an excellent amount of diversity.

well they are all going to be lighter

sigma = 1430g
fuji 40-150 = 995g
oly 40-150 = 760g
pentax 50-135 = 765g

 

[SRG01]

Serious question, as a person who has been using the a6000: is Fuji glass really that much better than the current Sony E-mount selection? The lack of native E-mount lenses is a bit of a frustration for me, but I've always adapted A-mount or even Pentax-K...

I ask because I'm contemplating getting the a6500, but people have been recommending the XT-2 as well.

 

[JadedWriter]

well they are all going to be lighter

sigma = 1430g
fuji 40-150 = 995g
oly 40-150 = 760g
pentax 50-135 = 765g

Those don't seem too heavy by comparison.

 

[RuGalz]

Serious question, as a person who has been using the a6000: is Fuji glass really that much better than the current Sony E-mount selection?

For native lenses yes. But if you care more about video or tech advances in general, Sony will always be ahead.

Those don't seem too heavy by comparison.

All relative I guess. I won't put long lenses on my milcs, the grip is just too small even if you spend the extra money for a larger grip and it really defeats the purpose of having a smaller body. That said, I do have the choice to go mid range plastic dslr that still has twin dials that basically weights the same as a milc (after lens weight differences, etc) and not that much larger, so the value proposition is a bit different in our situation.

 

[JadedWriter]

All relative I guess. I won't put long lenses on my milcs, the grip is just too small even if you spend the extra money for a larger grip and it really defeats the purpose of having a smaller body. That said, I do have the choice to go mid range plastic dslr that still has twin dials that basically weights the same as a milc (after lens weight differences, etc) and not that much larger, so the value proposition is a bit different in our situation.

Long lenses on a mirrorless must feel lopsided as hell cause of the weight imbalance.

 

[snaffles]

Long lenses on a mirrorless must feel lopsided as hell cause of the weight imbalance.

Not really, depends on the design of the body. My Panasonic G7 is fine with telephoto lenses attached. You generally hold a telephoto lens with one hand and the body with the other so it doesn't make much difference.

 

[JadedWriter]

Not really, depends on the design of the body. My Panasonic G7 is fine with telephoto lenses attached. You generally hold a telephoto lens with one hand and the body with the other so it doesn't make much difference.

Oh so it might not even be that bad then, interesting. I guess it's one of those things that bothers some people and others don't really care. I guess as long as the grip is sufficient enough it's fine and I think most of the step up bodies have been addressing the lack of a grip lately. I wouldn't put a telephoto on an Olympus M5 or Fuji X100t for example.

 

[RuGalz]

Long lenses on a mirrorless must feel lopsided as hell cause of the weight imbalance.

being lopsided isn't really that big of an issue generally, as long as you don't get a defective unit causing the whole mount falls off the camera LOL. the biggest strain comes from grabbing the camera with one hand from the side of my body -- you could grab the lens instead but I prefer to be ready by the time the camera is up to my eye level. also just general more cramped operating space. i can operate a dslr with a long lens for hours while a milc will give me a hand cramp even with a grip, ymmv.

 

[Duderz]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a small but sturdy camera pack for a Sony A6000? I take a lot of pictures of motorcycles, and I'd like something lighter than a backpack but still something I can ride on.

Odd specifications, I know.

 

[JadedWriter]

being lopsided isn't really that big of an issue generally, as long as you don't get a defective unit causing the whole mount falls off the camera LOL. the biggest strain comes from grabbing the camera with one hand from the side of my body -- you could grab the lens instead but I prefer to be ready by the time the camera is up to my eye level. also just general more cramped operating space. i can operate a dslr with a long lens for hours while a milc will give me a hand cramp even with a grip, ymmv.

That sounds like a horrible defect. I've also heard weird things about front elements popping off with certain lenses, third party though.

 

[Astral/H3X]

Yeah, long lenses don't really bother me. I use a 100mm macro as my primary portrait lens, and plan on picking up a 300mm when finances allow it haha. As he said, you just hold it by the lens anyway, so it's not a big deal.

Only issue I could see is maybe tripod collars won't be perfectly balanced, but I doubt it'd be far enough off to cause any real issues.

 

[RuGalz]

That sounds like a horrible defect. I've also heard weird things about front elements popping off with certain lenses, third party though.

yea the closest horrid story that almost happened to me was that I had my K mount 100mm macro on my Q camera (p&s size slr, so relative ratio is probably like having a 400mm+ lens on a FF) hanging around my neck. when I picked it up to shoot, the whole mount adapter fell apart because the screws on the adapter broke. luckily nothing was dropped.

 

[the better twin]

Serious question, as a person who has been using the a6000: is Fuji glass really that much better than the current Sony E-mount selection?

Better range probably but the prices for Fuji glass is high and Sony have some stunning glass in the higher price bracket albeit for full frame but the beauty is they work perfectly well on crop. Eg the Fuji 23 and 56mm are almost £700, the 55-200 almost £500 and the mentioned 50-140 £1200.

 

[MisterNugNug]

Anyone thinking or considering backing the Meyer-Goerlitz Primoplan 58mm F1.9 lens on Kickstarter? I'm intrigued for sure, I don't have a portrait lens for my XT2.

 

[fluffydelusions]

First off, I know nothing about cameras and I've been contemplating purchasing a camera for photos as I enjoy taking pictures. Do you think a Nikon d3300 is a solid purchase if I'm coming from an iPhone 6? I know there are obviously more expensive options out there but not looking to spend a fortune. Want to keep it around ~$500 or so. The other thing is I live in Washington so it's a bit rainy outside of summer so I'm assuming I'd have to purchase some kind of waterproof housing...didn't even look how much those run tbh. I've also just considered getting a gopro 5 since I mainly taking photos while hiking and it's already waterproof. So conflicted on what to do lol.

 

[Astral/H3X]

First off, I know nothing about cameras and I've been contemplating purchasing a camera for photos as I enjoy taking pictures. Do you think a Nikon d3300 is a solid purchase if I'm coming from an iPhone 6? I know there are obviously more expensive options out there but not looking to spend a fortune. Want to keep it around ~$500 or so. The other thing is I live in Washington so it's a bit rainy outside of summer so I'm assuming I'd have to purchase some kind of waterproof housing...didn't even look how much those run tbh. I've also just considered getting a gopro 5 since I mainly taking photos while hiking and it's already waterproof. So conflicted on what to do lol.

*Any* dedicated camera, be it an SLR or a Mirrorless, is going to blow away an iPhone 6, or even 7.... with the caveat that you need to know how to use it.

A GoPro is very, very heavily video oriented, and it would be a waste of money if your intent is just to take photos.

Kinda busy, so can't go much more in depth though.

 

[Thraktor]

First off, I know nothing about cameras and I've been contemplating purchasing a camera for photos as I enjoy taking pictures. Do you think a Nikon d3300 is a solid purchase if I'm coming from an iPhone 6? I know there are obviously more expensive options out there but not looking to spend a fortune. Want to keep it around ~$500 or so. The other thing is I live in Washington so it's a bit rainy outside of summer so I'm assuming I'd have to purchase some kind of waterproof housing...didn't even look how much those run tbh. I've also just considered getting a gopro 5 since I mainly taking photos while hiking and it's already waterproof. So conflicted on what to do lol.

If you're concerned about weatherproofing I'd definitely look at Pentax. All their DSLRs are weatherproof, and would be much more usable (and cheaper) than a Nikon or Canon with a housing. A quick look online shows you can get a Pentax K-S2 with an 18-50mm lens for just over $500, and it's not only weather resistant, but it also has in-body image stabilisation which will help eliminate camera shake when shooting handheld. I haven't owned a Pentax DSLR myself, but I've only heard good things about them from people who have, and in your situation it would seem like the way to go.

 

[Rentahamster]

My waterproofing is holding my camera underneath my poncho if it's raining

 

[RuGalz]

First off, I know nothing about cameras and I've been contemplating purchasing a camera for photos as I enjoy taking pictures. Do you think a Nikon d3300 is a solid purchase if I'm coming from an iPhone 6? I know there are obviously more expensive options out there but not looking to spend a fortune. Want to keep it around ~$500 or so. The other thing is I live in Washington so it's a bit rainy outside of summer so I'm assuming I'd have to purchase some kind of waterproof housing...didn't even look how much those run tbh. I've also just considered getting a gopro 5 since I mainly taking photos while hiking and it's already waterproof. So conflicted on what to do lol.

+1 on Pentax K-S2 or K-70.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bpGiLKFDs

 

[captive]

god dammit adobe. Fuck off with your CC bullshit, all i want is updates to my desktop apps. Stupid adobe application manager just updated itself to Adobe CC now it wont tell me if there are updates to lightroom or photoshop. I just updated lightroom through lightroom but now it updated itself and i can't do shit.

 

[Joelstinton14]

I don't own it but used it a few times. I don't know. I think each camera manufacture's AF has a rhythm to it. Canon/Nikon's higher end cameras are quite good that people don't think as much about it. Once I learn the rhythm I'm usually fine adopting any camera so AF capability never really bothers me. I mean some people still shoots birds in flight with MF...

There's a BIG Firmware 2.0 releasing this month, that will supposedly drastically increase the AF performance. Just fyi.

Otherwise, yeah, I'm kind of with you. I, personally, haven't used an XP2 (I shoot an X-T1, and have used the XT-2, which has the best AF in the line), and it's definitely not there with the best from Canon or Nikon. Every year, a new camera says it has the "fastest, bestest, most amazingist" mirrorless AF, but ultimately disappoints. They're just not up there with $4K+ Cannon/Nikon bodies and lenses.

Then again, pretty much all the biggest players (XP2, XT2, A300, A7 MkII, upcoming EM1 MkII) come in about half the price or so.

But yeah, short answer, I definitely have to be more "attentive" to my focus with Fuji. Love everything else - but that's definitely a weakness. I find myself taking A LOT more "just in case" shots as extras, hoping that if the first isn't as in good of focus as I think, the second or fifth shot might be a bit better.

I've spent the last week just slowing everything done focus wise, and just thinking ahead with what the best focus system to use for a given shot. I'm a bit more happier with it where 95% of my shots were in focus. I think i wasn't being attentive enough to what i was doing really. The X-pro 2 is a quirky camera as it is and i think it does take some time to get used to.

Going to go out on friday and give it a proper whirl and see where i'm at.

Also the whole process of shooting with a "handheld"camera is a bit alien to me. I tend to shoot in out the way spots where no one is around on a tripod, i have a social phobia in general , and feel really awkward/self conscious when in semi busy areas, i guess my whole line of thinking was rushed when using it initially.

 

[Rentahamster]

Anyone thinking or considering backing the Meyer-Goerlitz Primoplan 58mm F1.9 lens on Kickstarter? I'm intrigued for sure, I don't have a portrait lens for my XT2.

No, but it looks really cool.

 

[QualityPixel]

First off, I know nothing about cameras and I've been contemplating purchasing a camera for photos as I enjoy taking pictures. Do you think a Nikon d3300 is a solid purchase if I'm coming from an iPhone 6? I know there are obviously more expensive options out there but not looking to spend a fortune. Want to keep it around ~$500 or so. The other thing is I live in Washington so it's a bit rainy outside of summer so I'm assuming I'd have to purchase some kind of waterproof housing...didn't even look how much those run tbh. I've also just considered getting a gopro 5 since I mainly taking photos while hiking and it's already waterproof. So conflicted on what to do lol.

If you're dead set shooting in the rain then you're probably best off looking at the Pentax K-70, Pentax K-3 II, Pentax K-S2. If you're Ok with used cameras then older Olympus OM-D's can probably be had for peanuts. Just remember the camera is as waterproof as the lens so you'll need to look for weather sealed lenses also (which usually is a feature of higher end lenses).

That being said, the Nikon D3X00 are fantastic little DSLR's.