Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later)
I will be in for the long haul hobby wise
Regardless of which of the three options you guys prefer in general, I have a more in depth question about the glass, I will most likely be purchasing body only and going with a good glass to start, question is, is there a very good zoom or prime sense that is truly general purpose for an amateur? I know it would be ideal to get a 16mm and maybe a 50mm equivalent but in terms of budget if I could get one zoom or prime that could be good enough for architecture, cityscapes and full body shots for an amateur hobbyist that would be ideal to start.
Based on these factors, If this were me, I would probably buy a used entry level Canon or Nikon DSLR (I know you don't prefer used but bear with me). Amazon Warehouse Deals has some really killer prices sometimes. The kit lens plus a cheap tripod can be just fine for architecture and cityscapes. The rest of the money can be spent on a 50mm f1.8 lens which can take full body shots just fine, all for under $750.
Architecture and cityscapes can be taken at f8, and at f8, "kit lens" is comparable to "good glass". Nikon or Canon's 50mm f1.8 is a good, value prime lens with decent image quality at wider apertures to take pleasing portraits.
I know that doesn't involve any of the potential cameras you're thinking of, but that kind of setup is what someone involved "in the long haul" should be starting with, in my opinion.