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NeoGAF Camera Equipment Thread | MK II

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later)
I will be in for the long haul hobby wise

Regardless of which of the three options you guys prefer in general, I have a more in depth question about the glass, I will most likely be purchasing body only and going with a good glass to start, question is, is there a very good zoom or prime sense that is truly general purpose for an amateur? I know it would be ideal to get a 16mm and maybe a 50mm equivalent but in terms of budget if I could get one zoom or prime that could be good enough for architecture, cityscapes and full body shots for an amateur hobbyist that would be ideal to start.

Based on these factors, If this were me, I would probably buy a used entry level Canon or Nikon DSLR (I know you don't prefer used but bear with me). Amazon Warehouse Deals has some really killer prices sometimes. The kit lens plus a cheap tripod can be just fine for architecture and cityscapes. The rest of the money can be spent on a 50mm f1.8 lens which can take full body shots just fine, all for under $750.

Architecture and cityscapes can be taken at f8, and at f8, "kit lens" is comparable to "good glass". Nikon or Canon's 50mm f1.8 is a good, value prime lens with decent image quality at wider apertures to take pleasing portraits.

I know that doesn't involve any of the potential cameras you're thinking of, but that kind of setup is what someone involved "in the long haul" should be starting with, in my opinion.
 

derdriu

Member
I've used the Neewer one, it's not good. IMO spend a bit more for a lower level glidecam or if you can save up for a 3 axis handheld gimbal. I have the Zhiyun Crane and it's really impressive for the cheap price

Thanks! I'll stay clear from Neewer and I'll try and work on my finances a bit more so I can get something better. I'd love to get a gimbal but I just don't have the money right now.
 

RuGalz

Member
3. What form factor is most appealing to you?
M43 or APS-C. My choice will either boil down to the Olympus EM10, Fuji XT10, or the Sony a6000

Stick with APS-C since you already have a RX100. Image quality wise, the difference between 1" and m43 is too small they are kind of redundant. Also, it'll be easier to go wider for cityscape and landscape on APS-C. Fuji's kit lens is much better than Sony's and is probably good enough for your needs. Heck I still use the cheapest Fuji kit lens (XC16-50) when I just want something light.
 
Stick with APS-C since you already have a RX100. Image quality wise, the difference between 1" and m43 is too small they are kind of redundant. Also, it'll be easier to go wider for cityscape and landscape on APS-C. Fuji's kit lens is much better than Sony's and is probably good enough for your needs. Heck I still use the cheapest Fuji kit lens (XC16-50) when I just want something light.

M43 has double the area of a 1" sensor, it really isn't a small difference.
 

RuGalz

Member
M43 has double the area of a 1" sensor, it really isn't a small difference.

There's difference but 4x is where it really makes sense for the additional size, weight and price you are paying unless you have very specific needs from that minor 2x difference imo.
 
Based on these factors, If this were me, I would probably buy a used entry level Canon or Nikon DSLR (I know you don't prefer used but bear with me). Amazon Warehouse Deals has some really killer prices sometimes. The kit lens plus a cheap tripod can be just fine for architecture and cityscapes. The rest of the money can be spent on a 50mm f1.8 lens which can take full body shots just fine, all for under $750.

Architecture and cityscapes can be taken at f8, and at f8, "kit lens" is comparable to "good glass". Nikon or Canon's 50mm f1.8 is a good, value prime lens with decent image quality at wider apertures to take pleasing portraits.

I know that doesn't involve any of the potential cameras you're thinking of, but that kind of setup is what someone involved "in the long haul" should be starting with, in my opinion.

If you're going to recommend something completely far and away from what he's already looking at, usually you should give reasons for why you're ignoring what he's narrowed it down to. Especially when all you have bolded is "good glass". The mirrorless systems have great glass too.

Diddy, few things to keep in mind:
If you're doing lots of architecture and portraits, you're going for relatively static subjects, which I'd say opens the door for cheaper, older vintage glass that's manual focus. That can save you a lot of money in the long run, though you'd be giving up autofocus. Every mirrorless system you've mentioned is compatible with every vintage mount.

M43 has the advantage in sheer compatibility -- there's multiple manufacturers to choose from, so if you like the lens but not the body, there's other manufacturers that might make something closer to your preference. *BUT* the M43 sensor isn't as good as APSC... You'll get less bokeh, and more noise, especially at night. (This is generally speaking) I hear Olympus's lenses are really nice.

Fuji vs Sony, Fuji has better JPEGs, but Sony has better RAWs. So just ripping em off your camera and throwing them on the net, you'll get better results on a Fuji, but Sony will give you more sharpness and detail when working with RAW than a Fuji.
As for pure handling, I'll have to give it to Fuji. They tend to style their cameras off of old film cameras, and have dials out the wazoo, where Sony is known to be a bit clunky with their menu systems. FWIW, I shoot Sony, and the menu is a minor nuisance when you've set your camera to have 90% of your options without going into it.

Sony is the only one right now with a full frame upgrade path. Dunno how important that is to you though.
 
So, I think I've settled on using the 100mm Samyang as my general portrait lens. I just love the way photos come out of this thing.

Also, whoo! Got my 14mm back from repair. Just checked it and it already seems to be sharper and, of course, not smeared on the left hand side. Should be much more fun to shoot with now.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Can anyone share their storage/backup/workflow with me?

Currently, I use Lightroom for 99% of my edits and all my image storage.

My typical workflow:

1. Shoot images on a ~32GB card, and transfer them to my computer after any "event" or particular "location."

2. Import entire SD card's contents to a folder in Lightroom. For example: 2016 Folder -> 10152016 - Brown Family Halloween Party

3. Go through entire import, and flag the "good ones."

4. Put all flagged images in a sub folder titled "Selected"

5. Do my edits on those flagged images in that folder

6. Those edited photos I like are then put in a final sub folder titled "Share Ready"

Done.

Thing is, I do all my edits either on the road or around the house on my rMBP. To keep storage space on my drive free, I have a Samsung T2 external SSD that's 500GB. And that's been great - but it's now filling up VERY fast as I do more gigs and am filling ~100GB a shoot. It's just not maintainable.

I copy the whole drive to a 6TB desktop hard drive about once a week.

I need a MUCH better system, but I'd like to somehow maintain a library on the road.

And I need to add sometype of online storage.

Just need general advice, cause this isn't working.

I shoot -> download to my surface which has a CIFS share to my NAS -> NAS backs up to Crashplan unlimited plan.

On the road i just download to my surface and then when i get home i move it to my NAS.

In the future ill have replication to another server.



Ordered a bunch of peak design stuff. the sling the clutch strap thing, the everyday messenger.
 
I shoot -> download to my surface which has a CIFS share to my NAS -> NAS backs up to Crashplan unlimited plan.

On the road i just download to my surface and then when i get home i move it to my NAS.

In the future ill have replication to another server.



Ordered a bunch of peak design stuff. the sling the clutch strap thing, the everyday messenger.

I love Peak Design. Pretty much everything they produce makes me wonder why it took so long for people to figure this shit out.

I literally cannot use any camera straps not made by them, I love the capture, doubly so with the lens holder. Great company. And they don't charge an arm and a leg either.
 

DiddyBop

Member
Based on these factors, If this were me, I would probably buy a used entry level Canon or Nikon DSLR (I know you don't prefer used but bear with me). Amazon Warehouse Deals has some really killer prices sometimes. The kit lens plus a cheap tripod can be just fine for architecture and cityscapes. The rest of the money can be spent on a 50mm f1.8 lens which can take full body shots just fine, all for under $750.

Architecture and cityscapes can be taken at f8, and at f8, "kit lens" is comparable to "good glass". Nikon or Canon's 50mm f1.8 is a good, value prime lens with decent image quality at wider apertures to take pleasing portraits.

I know that doesn't involve any of the potential cameras you're thinking of, but that kind of setup is what someone involved "in the long haul" should be starting with, in my opinion.
thanks for the reach but i'm pretty set on having a smaller body camera, the lens advice helps, i guess 50mm equivalent would be good for general purpose


Stick with APS-C since you already have a RX100. Image quality wise, the difference between 1" and m43 is too small they are kind of redundant. Also, it'll be easier to go wider for cityscape and landscape on APS-C. Fuji's kit lens is much better than Sony's and is probably good enough for your needs. Heck I still use the cheapest Fuji kit lens (XC16-50) when I just want something light.
i didn't consider this, but i've seen some great images on flikr with just a M43, but as always takes a great photographer to get great shots regardless of equipment. I guess the APS-C would provide creamier bokeh which is a plus.


If you're going to recommend something completely far and away from what he's already looking at, usually you should give reasons for why you're ignoring what he's narrowed it down to. Especially when all you have bolded is "good glass". The mirrorless systems have great glass too.

Diddy, few things to keep in mind:
If you're doing lots of architecture and portraits, you're going for relatively static subjects, which I'd say opens the door for cheaper, older vintage glass that's manual focus. That can save you a lot of money in the long run, though you'd be giving up autofocus. Every mirrorless system you've mentioned is compatible with every vintage mount.

M43 has the advantage in sheer compatibility -- there's multiple manufacturers to choose from, so if you like the lens but not the body, there's other manufacturers that might make something closer to your preference. *BUT* the M43 sensor isn't as good as APSC... You'll get less bokeh, and more noise, especially at night. (This is generally speaking) I hear Olympus's lenses are really nice.

Fuji vs Sony, Fuji has better JPEGs, but Sony has better RAWs. So just ripping em off your camera and throwing them on the net, you'll get better results on a Fuji, but Sony will give you more sharpness and detail when working with RAW than a Fuji.
As for pure handling, I'll have to give it to Fuji. They tend to style their cameras off of old film cameras, and have dials out the wazoo, where Sony is known to be a bit clunky with their menu systems. FWIW, I shoot Sony, and the menu is a minor nuisance when you've set your camera to have 90% of your options without going into it.

Sony is the only one right now with a full frame upgrade path. Dunno how important that is to you though.

the points you bring up is why a decision is tough lol, i like the Sony and I'm already familiar with their menus system from the RX100, the Sony body is cheaper but the glass options aren't as robust as the Fuji...this is great help though thank y'all for the knowledge
 
thanks for the reach but i'm pretty set on having a smaller body camera, the lens advice helps, i guess 50mm equivalent would be good for general purpose



i didn't consider this, but i've seen some great images on flikr with just a M43, but as always takes a great photographer to get great shots regardless of equipment. I guess the APS-C would provide creamier bokeh which is a plus.




the points you bring up is why a decision is tough lol, i like the Sony and I'm already familiar with their menus system from the RX100, the Sony body is cheaper but the glass options aren't as robust as the Fuji...this is great help though thank y'all for the knowledge
Ultimately, unless you're already set in your ways, as long as you get a *good* camera that fills your needs, it's hard to be dissatisfied. It's after you've had your first higher level camera that you're gonna get a real sense of what you do and don't like, and that's when you'll start settling into a certain brand.
 
Ultimately, unless you're already set in your ways, as long as you get a *good* camera that fills your needs, it's hard to be dissatisfied. It's after you've had your first higher level camera that you're gonna get a real sense of what you do and don't like, and that's when you'll start settling into a certain brand.
So much this. I can shoot on a Canon but the ergonomics and control lay out bug. Nikon would have to be nuked out of existence to get me to main that brand.
 
Oh, it's not that bad! ;)
The more I do it the better I get actually. I've been using my jobs 60d for some street photography while I've been doing shoots and I got some pretty damn good results with it actually. I just have no idea which focus mode is good for actually focusing on moving people. That and the focus point switching is god awful cause I have to hold down a secondary button and use a scroll wheel so it's not as quick as what I'm used to. I hope at some point they stopped using that method unless it's what the lesser tier non pro bodies use.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
whoever peak design got to model the everday 15 messenger must have a tiny frame. By the pictures i was worried it would look ridiculous at how big it was. Its actually smaller than my regular Fossil messenger bag that i use for work.
 

RuGalz

Member
whoever peak design got to model the everday 15 messenger must have a tiny frame. By the pictures i was worried it would look ridiculous at how big it was. Its actually smaller than my regular Fossil messenger bag that i use for work.

Yea it's really hard to tell for me. I was having a real hard time deciding if I wanted the 20L or 30L backpack. In the end I went with 20L since I have mostly prime lenses and they roll around every where in every other bag so volume is probably not a problem for me. Can't wait to get it in December.
 

nin1000

Banned
Hello there camera GAF.

My brother bought himself a Canon 5D M3 with a 24-70 2.8l for a pretty good price and has been using a 50mm 1.8 STM for a good while now. ( I use it sometimes aswell since I like to take pictures but I am in no way a professional lol ).

His question would be this one.
Will a SIGMA 35mm 1.4 ART be a good buy since he likes to take pictures of people.
Can you give me any other suggestions for good lenses that could be paired with the MK3.

Thanks in advance for all the help.
 

vern

Member
Hello there camera GAF.

My brother bought himself a Canon 5D M3 with a 24-70 2.8l for a pretty good price and has been using a 50mm 1.8 STM for a good while now. ( I use it sometimes aswell since I like to take pictures but I am in no way a professional lol ).

His question would be this one.
Will a SIGMA 35mm 1.4 ART be a good buy since he likes to take pictures of people.
Can you give me any other suggestions for good lenses that could be paired with the MK3.

Thanks in advance for all the help.

Yep. Amazing lens! I've also got 5d3 and I like to shoot people. I'll attach some images when I get off mobile in minute.


Edit: Nevermind dude can't get on my VPN to get on Flickr... you'll have to trust me.
Edit again: I remembered I uploaded stuff to Imgur awhile back... http://imgur.com/a/o1g3t Here is an album, most portraits are with the Sigma ART 35 mm.
 

TronLight

Everybody is Mikkelsexual
My DSLR's sensor got dirty. I tried using an air pump to blow away the dust but it was useless. Can anybody recommend a good sensor cleaning kit? Not too expensive possibly.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Nothing like shooting a Karate tournament on two camera bodies not geared for shooting sports. Holy moly.
Need that d500/d5 auto focus. It's rock solid.

Hello there camera GAF.

My brother bought himself a Canon 5D M3 with a 24-70 2.8l for a pretty good price and has been using a 50mm 1.8 STM for a good while now. ( I use it sometimes aswell since I like to take pictures but I am in no way a professional lol ).

His question would be this one.
Will a SIGMA 35mm 1.4 ART be a good buy since he likes to take pictures of people.
Can you give me any other suggestions for good lenses that could be paired with the MK3.

Thanks in advance for all the help.
absolutely. 35mm is my favorite focal length for landscapes but it's versatile in portraits. Whether that's group or otherwise. Coincidentally I was looking at reviews for the sigma 35mm art last night and its apparently better than even the zeiss 35mm lenses. Better than nikons 35mm as well.
 
No. It's good but full frame is going to beat it every time
Makes sense. I'm really waiting for them to put the D500/D5 AF system into a full frame body that isn't a D5 cause that fucking thing is expensive. I'm honestly hoping that's what the new 750 will be like. It also doesn't help that I don't want to go back to crop sensor.
 
Hello there camera GAF.

My brother bought himself a Canon 5D M3 with a 24-70 2.8l for a pretty good price and has been using a 50mm 1.8 STM for a good while now. ( I use it sometimes aswell since I like to take pictures but I am in no way a professional lol ).

His question would be this one.
Will a SIGMA 35mm 1.4 ART be a good buy since he likes to take pictures of people.
Can you give me any other suggestions for good lenses that could be paired with the MK3.

Thanks in advance for all the help.

Purely from an image quality perspective at the same price you can't get much better than the SIGMA 35mm 1.4 ART. The trade of is that on DSLRs AF sometimes fails. SIGMA is aware of this and they have a service to actually tune AF to your camera for you. SIGMA Art lenses also have a USB dock to allow for fine tuning.
I have one that I use mostly on manual with the MC-11 adapter with my A7RII. AF is accurate but slow, but the image quality more than makes up for it.
 

Ty4on

Member
Makes sense. I'm really waiting for them to put the D500/D5 AF system into a full frame body that isn't a D5 cause that fucking thing is expensive. I'm honestly hoping that's what the new 750 will be like. It also doesn't help that I don't want to go back to crop sensor.
They're totally doing that for the successor to the D810. The 5D mk3 got the 1DX mk2 focusing system and the D810 got the D4S focusing system.

I'm guessing a D750 successor will have it too. Not sure if Nikon would like to squeeze more people into the D8XX like or are pleased with the D750's positioning/sales. It looks like prices across the board are rising while most manufacturers are targeting higher end customers.
 
They're totally doing that for the successor to the D810. The 5D mk3 got the 1DX mk2 focusing system and the D810 got the D4S focusing system.

I'm guessing a D750 successor will have it too. Not sure if Nikon would like to squeeze more people into the D8XX like or are pleased with the D750's positioning/sales. It looks like prices across the board are rising while most manufacturers are targeting higher end customers.
I always figured the 750 was doing fine sales wise, why wouldn't they update it. I always kind of figured they'd phase out the D600 line instead of getting rid of the D750 line.
 

Ty4on

Member
I always figured the 750 was doing fine sales wise, why wouldn't they update it. I always kind of figured they'd phase out the D600 line instead of getting rid of the D750 line.
We might get a new D600, but I see them giving it super gimped AF like it is today (and like the 6D is) while the new D750 has same sensor, similar tech, but much better AF at a premium.

But, yeah. With the complete lack of updates it seems like neither Nikon nor Canon cares about the lowest end FF market :p
Maybe they'll try to cover it with a mirrorless FF body to compete with the entry level A7. I really think they're both designing mirrorless FF to live alongside their DSLRs and cover Sony. I think they can excel with more lenses (Canon's R&D budget is insane) and of course offer a cheap-ish adapter that works flawlessly instead of having to rely on third parties.
If Nikon keeps dilly dallying releasing the D810 successor, it's going to be a hard call whether to get that or the Fuji GFX.
If they get some great lenses the Fuji can really create some competition for landscape/architecture/slower photographers. That's really a place for Nikon and Canon to cover with a big sensor mirrorless. Their advantage today for those photographers is a great lens lineup and lens designers, not a mirror.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
If they get some great lenses the Fuji can really create some competition for landscape/architecture/slower photographers. That's really a place for Nikon and Canon to cover with a big sensor mirrorless. Their advantage today for those photographers is a great lens lineup and lens designers, not a mirror.

I'm not sure if it's a matter of "if", since Fuji already makes great medium format lenses.

I don't think the mirror is the thing to be focusing on, though. It's the sensor. When you need that kind of quality, the options are limited.
 
We might get a new D600, but I see them giving it super gimped AF like it is today (and like the 6D is) while the new D750 has same sensor, similar tech, but much better AF at a premium.

But, yeah. With the complete lack of updates it seems like neither Nikon nor Canon cares about the lowest end FF market :p
Maybe they'll try to cover it with a mirrorless FF body to compete with the entry level A7. I really think they're both designing mirrorless FF to live alongside their DSLRs and cover Sony. I think they can excel with more lenses (Canon's R&D budget is insane) and of course offer a cheap-ish adapter that works flawlessly instead of having to rely on third parties.
If they gimp the AF I'd honestly see no reason for getting a newer D600 if the AF ends up being the same as the current D600, which came up lacking when I had to shoot a karate tournament on Saturday, and the D7100 came up pretty short as well, the Sigma 17-50 didn't help on that front either.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
I'm not sure if it's a matter of "if", since Fuji already makes great medium format lenses.

I don't think the mirror is the thing to be focusing on, though. It's the sensor. When you need that kind of quality, the options are limited.

I wish it were closer in both size and megapixel to the phase one iq160 or 180.
 

Ty4on

Member
I'm not sure if it's a matter of "if", since Fuji already makes great medium format lenses.

I don't think the mirror is the thing to be focusing on, though. It's the sensor. When you need that kind of quality, the options are limited.
We saw with Sony that getting lenses out for a new system isn't trivial. I think the most modern system with mirrorless MF lenses was the Mamiya 6 and 7 :p

Mirror wise I was thinking about size and good live view functionality. Maybe I'm over-indexing on it, but it seems like a lot of pros want to go Sony, but all little things (battery life, lenses, build quality...) are holding them back. Faster and more accurate live view AF is also a bonus.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
We saw with Sony that getting lenses out for a new system isn't trivial. I think the most modern system with mirrorless MF lenses was the Mamiya 6 and 7 :p

Mirror wise I was thinking about size and good live view functionality. Maybe I'm over-indexing on it, but it seems like a lot of pros want to go Sony, but all little things (battery life, lenses, build quality...) are holding them back. Faster and more accurate live view AF is also a bonus.

Fuji already helps Hasselblad make their medium format lenses, so I don't forsee them having much of an issue.

The functionality is nice and all, but at the end of the day, skills can compensate for the lack of bells and whistles. What skills and technique can't compensate for, however, are good lenses and good sensors.

Anyway, for what it's used for (landscape, architecture, fashion portraiture), features like AF don't really matter as much since the subject isn't moving around much. Sports and event photography are a different matter though.
 
Am I weird for using my left eye to compose a shot even though I'm right handed?

Asking coz my boss brought it up at work earlier lol.

Looking it up and according to some weird ass triangle palm thing, it may not be weird coz I might be left eye dominant?

Lmao idk how this shit works.
 
Am I weird for using my left eye to compose a shot even though I'm right handed?

Asking coz my boss brought it up at work earlier lol.

Looking it up and according to some weird ass triangle palm thing, it may not be weird coz I might be left eye dominant?

Lmao idk how this shit works.
Yeah I think people just use their dominant eye.
 
Am I weird for using my left eye to compose a shot even though I'm right handed?

Asking coz my boss brought it up at work earlier lol.

Looking it up and according to some weird ass triangle palm thing, it may not be weird coz I might be left eye dominant?

Lmao idk how this shit works.

Correct, you are left eye dominant.

Eye dominance is not really tied to hand dominance, and depending on what you're doing is more important than if you are right or left handed. For example, I am right handed, but left-eyed, so I shoot my rifle left handed, as well as pistols. Everything else that I do though, it doesn't matter much.
 

finalflame

Banned
So I found an reputable eBay storefront in LA willing to sell me an X-T2 for MSRP. They're sold out/backordered for 2-4 weeks pretty much everywhere or marked up $100-$200 where they are in stock.

I guess that means I need to make a real decision right now.
 
I know webcams with shit-tier still-image taking exist, but is there a digital still camera that is usb powered?

Or at least a webcam with DSC level picture quality. I want to take pictures in close proximity to my PC but don't want to mess with batteries.
 
I know webcams with shit-tier still-image taking exist, but is there a digital still camera that is usb powered?

Or at least a webcam with DSC level picture quality. I want to take pictures in close proximity to my PC but don't want to mess with batteries.

If you already have a serious camera, then many cameras have tethering options.

As for webcams... Well, they are pretty much all webcams to my knowledge.
 
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