Support NeoGAF

[Ty4on]

Looking at purchasing a Canon T6S for my son there is currently one for sale for $634 but it is a European version should I be worried since I am in the US? Also any opinions on the camera vs the Sony a6000?

I was told performance is pretty much the same however
a6000
+better AF
+easier portability due to smaller profile

T6s
+better LCD with touch and rotate capability
+more access to lower cost lenses

Using a EU model in US means you have no warrenty and Canon may refuse to repair your camera if you send it in. You can google gray import for more details.

Camera wise the T6s is more a traditional camera. It'll have better battery life, be faster to turn on and possibly more reliable autofocus. The A6000 is smaller, has an EVF so you can see exposure, white balance etc. in the viewfinder and know what you get before taking the picture and a faster burst rate. Image quality wise they should be pretty similar, maybe a bit more dynamic range in the Sony if you edit the raw files yourself.

Like you said though there are generally more lenses available for the Canon, especially when it comes to affordable lenses. The only Sony zooms under 300$ are kit lenses while Canon has the ultra wide 10-18, the telephoto 55-250 and the old 17-85 not to mention all of the Sigma and Tamron lenses.
One thing to keep in mind is how much of a difference size makes. The Canon will have bigger buttons and dials that are easier to operate quickly or with gloves, but it might be a bit too big and clunky to bring along.

do it, but also look at getting your own scanner. Medium format film is the hardest film to scan. I was going through some medium format film scans yesterday, the quality is ridiculous, scans that i could literally print 90"x30" without having to do any uprezzing.

It's so expensive tho :S

Seems like you can put together a decent MF set for $500, but I see dedicated scanners starting at 2k.

 

[Vuze]

if you dont have a lab already, WHCC.com and bayphoto.com do great canvas, metal, float wraps etc.

Located in Germany but thanks

 

[captive]

It's so expensive tho :S

Seems like you can put together a decent MF set for $500, but I see dedicated scanners starting at 2k.

Yea but at 60-100 bucks for a scan of one shot, it adds up plus your at the mercy and skill level of the operator. At least I'd you do a bad scan you can just do it again.

Located in Germany but thanks

We'll that's a problem

 

[JadedWriter]

Man I have so many recent shots I'd love to get printed out, don't want to pay, but they'd it'd be interesting to see them physically.

 

[VisceralBowl]

I'm interested in starting to print my photos (not huge but also not 8.5x11 or less) I know nothing about printers. Anybody know where I should start? There's way too much info out there to sift through.

I've printed a few photos before but like 99% of the work was done for me.

 

[captive]

I'm interested in starting to print my photos (not huge but also not 8.5x11 or less) I know nothing about printers. Anybody know where I should start? There's way too much info out there to sift through.

I've printed a few photos before but like 99% of the work was done for me.

this is going to sound funny, but start with your monitor. If its not calibrated you'll be sorely disappointed with the results. The first prints i got back from a lab were so off from my monitor i was like wtf i spent hours trying to get it calibrated correctly. Then i bought a better monitor that was IPS.

After that Canon and Epson make great printers. They both have like office printers and photography related printers. You want a photography series printer, they have more ink colors. And then you get into paper, which is fun in of itself, you have matt papers, rag papers, and lustre and glossy, and canvas and 800 different kinds of each of those.

 

[snaffles]

I'm interested in starting to print my photos (not huge but also not 8.5x11 or less) I know nothing about printers. Anybody know where I should start? There's way too much info out there to sift through.

I've printed a few photos before but like 99% of the work was done for me.

I had an Epson R1800 years ago, I was really happy with the print quality and it did large format prints, up to A3+ size from memory. But I personally don't find printers worth the effort anymore, I have a black and white laser printer that I use for documents/tickets etc, and just order my photo prints online.

 

[VisceralBowl]

this is going to sound funny, but start with your monitor. If its not calibrated you'll be sorely disappointed with the results. The first prints i got back from a lab were so off from my monitor i was like wtf i spent hours trying to get it calibrated correctly. Then i bought a better monitor that was IPS.

After that Canon and Epson make great printers. They both have like office printers and photography related printers. You want a photography series printer, they have more ink colors. And then you get into paper, which is fun in of itself, you have matt papers, rag papers, and lustre and glossy, and canvas and 800 different kinds of each of those.

Doesn't sound funny at all, I calibrated both my monitors a while back. While they weren't designed for print work (99.5% srgb/ 79% argb) they seem to match up fairly well with the prints I did in the past - there's some contrast differences and the greens are a tad bit different.

But I personally don't find printers worth the effort anymore, I have a black and white laser printer that I use for documents/tickets etc, and just order my photo prints online.

I've thought about this as well. Might look at the overall costs of printing with my own printer + maintenance vs just ordering them.

 

[Astral/H3X]

I order from Bayphoto myself, the quality is amazing. I was actually thinking about printing off a lot more of my photos, but need to figure out a good way to display them first.

 

[JadedWriter]

Recently tried out a D810...feels so much better than a D750.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I own the A7S and A6000, bought my department at work the A7S ii and A7R ii.

The 55 you bought is going to be the most stupidly sharp portrait lens you've ever used. Be ready for some incredible detail and crop-ability with that lens + body combo.

If you go with the Commlite adapter for your Canons just be sure to look into preventing the reflections you'll generate in the adapter itself.

You weren't joking. This thing is insane in combination with the 42 megapixel sensor.

I'm still a complete beginner in terms of photography and am just now working through Understanding Exposure (this book is insanely helpful) to really wrap my head around what everything does. I'm really looking to finally move past automating most or all of the elements of the exposure and learn to shoot manually (or mostly manually depending on the situation). This huge purchase is definitely motivating me to learn!

The only thing that's troubling me right now is just how massive the uncompressed raw files are from this thing. They're often over 80 MB in size, not including the JPEG. I need to figure out a good storage and editing solution as it's clear I won't be able to just dump everything on my MacBook Pro and delete the photos I don't like while buying new memory card once they fill up.

 

[captive]

Recently tried out a D810...feels so much better than a D750.

jadedwriter talking about where to get a grey market d810 in 3...2..1...

 

[JadedWriter]

jadedwriter talking about where to get a grey market d810 in 3...2..1...

Not happening lol. Everything I have is still US region. I mainly asked that cause I kept running into Nikon 2.8 24-70's that always ended up being grey market. The one that's being shipped to me is legit, I stopped trying to get a "deal" and just financed a legit one. I think I have some raise money coming to me next year so I'm hoping they have the new 810 specced out by then. As long as it's got the D5 AF system I'll be fine. I still kind of want a D500 just in case I ever need added reach, but I don't even use my damn D7100 these days outside of second camera for events. Doesn't help that the 7100 has a shit buffer, it can run off about 5 shots before the buffer fills up, even the 600 can handle about 13 shots.

 

[jongkookie]

I'm really looking to finally move past automating most or all of the elements of the exposure and learn to shoot manually (or mostly manually depending on the situation). This huge purchase is definitely motivating me to learn!

I find this pretty funny now. Last year around this time I was all about manual shooting(though it was by force since I was using vintage Nikon lenses on a modern DSLR) and kinda looked down on people who used auto.

Fast forward to now and my A7(along with the vintage Nikon lenses) stays at auto at all times lol.

This isn't to say that learning the basics isn't necessary, actually I think it's still super important and very necessary as the basics can give you an idea of a shot before you even press the shutter button.

Rather I think it's much more important to get the shots that you want instead of fiddling with the camera and subject to force that shot... it's the one thing I learned photographing my little nephew since they're so unpredictable and obviously uncontrollable. There's no retakes with them, you can try but it's probably not as good as what you saw before.

Since I tend to do more portraits of people, cars and other things, all I really need is the control over aperture and focus.

Anyway, don't let my comments distract you from learning the basics. It's just some food for thought from somebody who was an elitist of manual shooting at first then turning around to appreciating what auto does lol.

 

[JadedWriter]

I used to do everything in aperture priority and that stopped almost a year ago. The camera just kept picking everything for me and my pics were always blurry. I notice it a lot with my older pics now. These days I'm more consistent in manual. I guess it just depends on what you do. Once did a portrait session in AP mode and got blur in one two many shots. Granted half of that is probably settings inexperience back then. I use it still on certain things but not often and I pay more attention to what the camera is choosing for me shutter speed wise.

 

[Sickboy007]

I'm waiting for the Panasonic G85/G80 to get cheaper to grab one. Does anyone have experience with this camera?

 

[captive]

i always shoot in aperture, with auto ISO for my D800 i have the shooting banks a A is LOW extended ISO which ends up being like ISO 55 or something. Thats for landscapes, then B is Auto ISO 800, C is Auto ISO 1600, and D is Auto ISO 3200. for shooting my kids and wildlife

and i have it set to do a pretty fast shutter. I do more or less the same with my D500, when shooting wildlife, the only thing i want to think about is AF and is my shutter speed fast enough.

then for birds in flight i can easily exposure compensate by a stop so the underside of the bird is better lit than what the cameras metering thinks it should be.

 

[Flo_Evans]

jadedwriter talking about where to get a grey market d810 in 3...2..1...

Still my main. Beast of a camera.

Yeah I pretty much shoot aperture priority (unless I am using studio lights) I just use +/- exposure compensation if the camera is really fucking up. Mostly matrix metering but I really like the highlight priority mode for really extreme stuff like concerts and night shots.

I kind of like your ABCD idea for ISO limits but I find it easier to change the ISO than the settings bank on the D810. Do you have that set to a function button or something?

 

[JadedWriter]

i always shoot in aperture, with auto ISO for my D800 i have the shooting banks a A is LOW extended ISO which ends up being like ISO 55 or something. Thats for landscapes, then B is Auto ISO 800, C is Auto ISO 1600, and D is Auto ISO 3200. for shooting my kids and wildlife

and i have it set to do a pretty fast shutter. I do more or less the same with my D500, when shooting wildlife, the only thing i want to think about is AF and is my shutter speed fast enough.

then for birds in flight i can easily exposure compensate by a stop so the underside of the bird is better lit than what the cameras metering thinks it should be.

I have never bothered with programming in custom settings. Is that me being lazy or I just don't need to given my subject matter?

 

[captive]

Still my main. Beast of a camera.

Yeah I pretty much shoot aperture priority (unless I am using studio lights) I just use +/- exposure compensation if the camera is really fucking up. Mostly matrix metering but I really like the highlight priority mode for really extreme stuff like concerts and night shots.

I kind of like your ABCD idea for ISO limits but I find it easier to change the ISO than the settings bank on the D810. Do you have that set to a function button or something?

no, but thats a good idea. Its only 3 or 4 button clicks though info, info then select ABC or D

 

[Flo_Evans]

Ah I was just looking at mine and remembered I already used most of the shooting banks.

A - photo, aperture priority, AWB, RAW
B - studio, 1/160, ISO 64, flash WB, f/8, RAW
C - cine, 1/50, flat picture profile, K WB

I often forget to switch the bank though so they get all messed up. Wonder what I should make D bank. I really wish there was a way to "set" them to be the same whenever you switch. That's one thing I like about the 750, the U1 & U2 always reset to the saved value.

Maybe I will make D Snapshot mode jpg with active d lighting and auto ISO and P exposure. "Dummy" mode for when I hand the camera to a novice or the kids want to fire off 100 burst shots.

 

[Vuze]

Came across this video the other day and picked up the lens for 20 bucks off eBay. Kinda cool if you want to toy around with macro photography but aren't ready to spend big bucks on a lens (yet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58bHO8ha1QU

It just sucks that it has no manual focus. I don't think focus stacking will work out too well without. Pretty hard to work with my shaky hands too considering the super narrow area in focus but it's fun. Took a quick shot of a tiny piece of amber I had around.

https://flic.kr/p/NAeeqn

Some people on flickr have taken some pretty amazing pics with it, like this guy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrismdale/4504891089/in/pool-3580macro/ (spider warning)

 

[jyoung188]

1. What is your budget budget? $500ish, I could go over that if I need to.
2. Main purpose of the camera? Going on a trip overseas to England / Ireland / Scotland in May and I want to take better pictures than my phone camera.
3. What form factor is most appealing to you? The smaller the better for travel.
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later) Don't plan on it.
5. Any cameras you've used before or liked? I've had point and shoots like 10 years ago but ever since I got a smart phone I've used them almost exclusively.

Thanks for anyone who takes the time to help me out. My wife and I are taking a trip overseas in May '17 and I want to start researching camera options but I have no idea were to start. Also it would be nice if it recorded good video too, I may film some skateboarding with it but that's not a priority. When do new cameras come out, CES? Should I wait until then or is there some solid cameras out now? I wouldn't mind buying one sooner to learn it and practice some photography since I haven't used a real camera in years.

Edit: Ok, after a little bit of research my $500 budget got blown out the window, I'm liking what I'm seeing from Sony with the A6300 and the RX100IV in regards to the 4k video and nfc wireless features, that shit is super cool and I had no idea how far camera technology has come. I see some issues with the RX100IV overheating and only shooting 5min of 4k though? Any impressions from people who own either of these cameras? The mirror less seems neat with the option to get different lenses but the pocket friendly point and shoot also seems like it would be great for travel. Decisions, decisions....

 

[JadedWriter]

1. What is your budget budget? $500ish, I could go over that if I need to.
2. Main purpose of the camera? Going on a trip overseas to England / Ireland / Scotland in May and I want to take better pictures than my phone camera.
3. What form factor is most appealing to you? The smaller the better for travel.
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later) Don't plan on it.
5. Any cameras you've used before or liked? I've had point and shoots like 10 years ago but ever since I got a smart phone I've used them almost exclusively.

Thanks for anyone who takes the time to help me out. My wife and I are taking a trip overseas in May '17 and I want to start researching camera options but I have no idea were to start. Also it would be nice if it recorded good video too, I may film some skateboarding with it but that's not a priority. When do new cameras come out, CES? Should I wait until then or is there some solid cameras out now? I wouldn't mind buying one sooner to learn it and practice some photography since I haven't used a real camera in years.

Edit: Ok, after a little bit of research my $500 budget got blown out the window, I'm liking what I'm seeing from Sony with the A6300 and the RX100IV in regards to the 4k video and nfc wireless features, that shit is super cool and I had no idea how far camera technology has come. I see some issues with the RX100IV overheating and only shooting 5min of 4k though? Any impressions from people who own either of these cameras? The mirror less seems neat with the option to get different lenses but the pocket friendly point and shoot also seems like it would be great for travel. Decisions, decisions....

If you can afford an A6300 then you can afford a Fuji XT1 the lens line up is better.

 

[Astral/H3X]

1. What is your budget budget? $500ish, I could go over that if I need to.
2. Main purpose of the camera? Going on a trip overseas to England / Ireland / Scotland in May and I want to take better pictures than my phone camera.
3. What form factor is most appealing to you? The smaller the better for travel.
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later) Don't plan on it.
5. Any cameras you've used before or liked? I've had point and shoots like 10 years ago but ever since I got a smart phone I've used them almost exclusively.

Thanks for anyone who takes the time to help me out. My wife and I are taking a trip overseas in May '17 and I want to start researching camera options but I have no idea were to start. Also it would be nice if it recorded good video too, I may film some skateboarding with it but that's not a priority. When do new cameras come out, CES? Should I wait until then or is there some solid cameras out now? I wouldn't mind buying one sooner to learn it and practice some photography since I haven't used a real camera in years.

Edit: Ok, after a little bit of research my $500 budget got blown out the window, I'm liking what I'm seeing from Sony with the A6300 and the RX100IV in regards to the 4k video and nfc wireless features, that shit is super cool and I had no idea how far camera technology has come. I see some issues with the RX100IV overheating and only shooting 5min of 4k though? Any impressions from people who own either of these cameras? The mirror less seems neat with the option to get different lenses but the pocket friendly point and shoot also seems like it would be great for travel. Decisions, decisions....

The RX100 is FAR, FAR more pocketable, and is most likely going to be easier to take with you anywhere. I'd recommend starting there, or with the RX100 III, if that's what you're looking at.

I'd say you'd be doing well to save the money and go for the A6000 instead of the A6300. The 6000 is still an essentially professional level camera, and really the only difference is a few video modes. Unless you think you'll be going hardcore on video, I'd say for most people the price jump from A6000 to A6300 isn't going to be worth it.

 

[jyoung188]

If you can afford an A6300 then you can afford a Fuji XT1 the lens line up is better.

The RX100 is FAR, FAR more pocketable, and is most likely going to be easier to take with you anywhere. I'd recommend starting there, or with the RX100 III, if that's what you're looking at.

I'd say you'd be doing well to save the money and go for the A6000 instead of the A6300. The 6000 is still an essentially professional level camera, and really the only difference is a few video modes. Unless you think you'll be going hardcore on video, I'd say for most people the price jump from A6000 to A6300 isn't going to be worth it.

Thanks for the replies. Yeah, the more I think about it the more I want to keep it small and keep the price reasonable since I'm not a photographer. What I really want is ultra portable, tillable selfie screen, nfc/wifi and keep it well south of $1000. 4k would be nice but isn't required. Definitely leaning towards the RX100 III or IV right now, we'll see how the market looks as I get closer to my trip in May.

 

[JadedWriter]

Thanks for the replies. Yeah, the more I think about it the more I want to keep it small and keep the price reasonable since I'm not a photographer. What I really want is ultra portable, tillable selfie screen, nfc/wifi and keep it well south of $1000. 4k would be nice but isn't required. Definitely leaning towards the RX100 III or IV right now, we'll see how the market looks as I get closer to my trip in May.

Just get the RX100, once you get anything bigger you have to start thinking about a camera bag and it sounds like the last thing you want is another bag to lug around and you would not want my 40lb camera bag, which is probably 50lbs once I put another damn camera in it, if you had my bag you'd never bring a camera...ever.

 

[jongkookie]

I used to do everything in aperture priority and that stopped almost a year ago. The camera just kept picking everything for me and my pics were always blurry. I notice it a lot with my older pics now. These days I'm more consistent in manual. I guess it just depends on what you do. Once did a portrait session in AP mode and got blur in one two many shots. Granted half of that is probably settings inexperience back then. I use it still on certain things but not often and I pay more attention to what the camera is choosing for me shutter speed wise.

I think it's also part of the gear that you have.

I've noticed that entry-level Nikon's favors messing with the shutter speed than anything else. It's very obvious with the D5500 I use at work, I point it to a black button of a car for example and the ss drops down to 1/30 or some crap like that while the ISO stays around at a workable level and aperture at f/5.6 since the kit lens has a variable aperture(55mm is at f/5.6... go figure).

I especially hate using it with cars that have black plasticky interiors(so basically cheap econobox shit like Toyota's or Chevy's) since it's so unreliable in auto mode. I've gotten to the point that I'd rather use the built-in flash and get hard shadows instead of a blurry mess.

Anyway, since I'm still rocking Nikon lenses I imagine it'll be a while until I can actually start using aperture mode on my A7 lol. Tbh, I don't even think I'll be switching over to an FE lens anytime soon(besides a walk around 24-70 or similar, just to avoid vignetting) since the Nikon glass I have are just excellent on the A7. I've actually stopped looking for lenses for the moment since I don't feel the need for another one.

 

[Astral/H3X]

I think it's also part of the gear that you have.

I've noticed that entry-level Nikon's favors messing with the shutter speed than anything else. It's very obvious with the D5500 I use at work, I point it to a black button of a car for example and the ss drops down to 1/30 or some crap like that while the ISO stays around at a workable level and aperture at f/5.6 since the kit lens has a variable aperture(55mm is at f/5.6... go figure).

I especially hate using it with cars that have black plasticky interiors(so basically cheap econobox shit like Toyota's or Chevy's) since it's so unreliable in auto mode. I've gotten to the point that I'd rather use the built-in flash and get hard shadows instead of a blurry mess.

Anyway, since I'm still rocking Nikon lenses I imagine it'll be a while until I can actually start using aperture mode on my A7 lol. Tbh, I don't even think I'll be switching over to an FE lens anytime soon(besides a walk around 24-70 or similar, just to avoid vignetting) since the Nikon glass I have are just excellent on the A7. I've actually stopped looking for lenses for the moment since I don't feel the need for another one.

Aperture mode still works on A7 with vintage lenses, as long as the lens has built in aperture dials. Setting the aperture on the lens is no different from setting it on the camera, aside from the camera not knowing in EXIF what aperture it is.
In fact you can use any mode on it, to include shutter priority... It just can't automatically adjust your aperture.

 

[ty_hot]

Need help choosing a camera (nor not choosing one at all)

My gf wants to buy me a camera, around 150 (this probably means someone will convince me to spend around 200 on something better...).

I have no problem buying used stuff - I had a Pentax K100D that was pure awesomeness and costed me a little over 100 . Before that one I had a Sony H7 that was also nice, but I'd rather have a DSLR for sure.

The thing is: even though I like DSLR cameras, they are always too big to carry around all the time, and also take too much space in case you are travelling with hand luggage only (which I do most of the time). So I thought maybe a small DSLR? I know that Pentax has the Q line, but I am not sure if the image quality will be good enough or will I be losing a lot?

Compact cameras: I dont see the point in investing in a small/thin camera when we can have phones that are capable of taking decent photos. I prefer to have one phone in my pocket than a phone and a camera if the camera wont be really a lot better than the phone. I am waiting for my phone to die (its a Windows Phone, and it doesnt want to stop working), so having a compact camera now could be nice but in a few months when I change my phone for a good one it would not be so useful anymore (specially in this price range I dont expect anything wow)

I would use mostly to take photos of the city (barcelona) or landscapes. rarely indor photos. One thing I dont like about my old K100D is that it was much worse at taking photos at night than during the day, so a something good for night photos would be ideal.

tldr
150+- euros budget
I can spend extra in the future in the camera (lenses), but only if its cheap (<50)
dont want compact cameras
compact DSLR are good enough? any option in this price range (or a little bit over)?
If not, then recommend a normal DSLR.

 

[JadedWriter]

Need help choosing a camera (nor not choosing one at all)

My gf wants to buy me a camera, around 150 (this probably means someone will convince me to spend around 200 on something better...).

I have no problem buying used stuff - I had a Pentax K100D that was pure awesomeness and costed me a little over 100 . Before that one I had a Sony H7 that was also nice, but I'd rather have a DSLR for sure.

The thing is: even though I like DSLR cameras, they are always too big to carry around all the time, and also take too much space in case you are travelling with hand luggage only (which I do most of the time). So I thought maybe a small DSLR? I know that Pentax has the Q line, but I am not sure if the image quality will be good enough or will I be losing a lot?

Compact cameras: I dont see the point in investing in a small/thin camera when we can have phones that are capable of taking decent photos. I prefer to have one phone in my pocket than a phone and a camera if the camera wont be really a lot better than the phone. I am waiting for my phone to die (its a Windows Phone, and it doesnt want to stop working), so having a compact camera now could be nice but in a few months when I change my phone for a good one it would not be so useful anymore (specially in this price range I dont expect anything wow)

I would use mostly to take photos of the city (barcelona) or landscapes. rarely indor photos. One thing I dont like about my old K100D is that it was much worse at taking photos at night than during the day, so a something good for night photos would be ideal.

tldr
150+- euros budget
I can spend extra in the future in the camera (lenses), but only if its cheap (<50)
dont want compact cameras
compact DSLR are good enough? any option in this price range (or a little bit over)?
If not, then recommend a normal DSLR.

Now you do realize anything that could take good pictures at night pretty much constitutes as a camera that can take good pictures indoors right? I'm looking at what you're asking for and looking at what your budget is and it looks like you're asking for the impossible unless 150 euros is more than 300 bucks. Maybe if you're lucky you can find some sort of Sony A5100 kit at that price range on Ebay. Any actual DSLR at that price range would probably be old as well. Is there any brand you're specifically looking for?

 

[theepicoftyler]

Need help choosing a camera (nor not choosing one at all)

My gf wants to buy me a camera, around 150 (this probably means someone will convince me to spend around 200 on something better...).

I have no problem buying used stuff - I had a Pentax K100D that was pure awesomeness and costed me a little over 100 . Before that one I had a Sony H7 that was also nice, but I'd rather have a DSLR for sure.

The thing is: even though I like DSLR cameras, they are always too big to carry around all the time, and also take too much space in case you are travelling with hand luggage only (which I do most of the time). So I thought maybe a small DSLR? I know that Pentax has the Q line, but I am not sure if the image quality will be good enough or will I be losing a lot?

Compact cameras: I dont see the point in investing in a small/thin camera when we can have phones that are capable of taking decent photos. I prefer to have one phone in my pocket than a phone and a camera if the camera wont be really a lot better than the phone. I am waiting for my phone to die (its a Windows Phone, and it doesnt want to stop working), so having a compact camera now could be nice but in a few months when I change my phone for a good one it would not be so useful anymore (specially in this price range I dont expect anything wow)

I would use mostly to take photos of the city (barcelona) or landscapes. rarely indor photos. One thing I dont like about my old K100D is that it was much worse at taking photos at night than during the day, so a something good for night photos would be ideal.

tldr
150+- euros budget
I can spend extra in the future in the camera (lenses), but only if its cheap (<50)
dont want compact cameras
compact DSLR are good enough? any option in this price range (or a little bit over)?
If not, then recommend a normal DSLR.

You might be able to grab a used Sony NEX-6 that fits the bill. Mirrorless camera, and the kit lens pancakes, so it's pretty portable.

Has a large APS-C sensor for night photography, and the kit lens isn't bad.

 

[RuGalz]

tldr
150+- euros budget
I can spend extra in the future in the camera (lenses), but only if its cheap (<50)
dont want compact cameras
compact DSLR are good enough? any option in this price range (or a little bit over)?
If not, then recommend a normal DSLR.

Q will still give you a bit better picture than the phone but not a whole lot, the differences comes to the ability to control it and better lens. You might be able to find used Pentax K30, K50 or Ks1 for cheap, I certainly have seen them for 200usd with kit lens and they are very capable cameras but your market is probably a bit different than the US. Almost any dslr you can buy in the last 6(?) years will be way better than K100D. Older Olympus PEN E-PL cameras can also be dirt cheap and are smaller than DSLR.

 

[QualityPixel]

tldr
150+- euros budget
I can spend extra in the future in the camera (lenses), but only if its cheap (<50)
dont want compact cameras
compact DSLR are good enough? any option in this price range (or a little bit over)?
If not, then recommend a normal DSLR.

An older DSLR like a Nikon D40x or D60 would be nice. Both are 10mp and take nice photos. D40x can be had used off ebay for ~150 with a lens.

Canon XTi, XSi, T1i, and T2i may be worth looking into also.

Micro 4/3 Panasonic GF5 or newer if you can get it to fit your budget. I own a GF3 and I like it but the step up in IQ from the 12 to 16mp would be worth the price.

Olympus E-PM2 or newer to.

 

[SRG01]

Is there any real need for me to upgrade to an a6500 from a6000? IBIS would be amazing for adapted lenses, as well as phase-detection support (and AF!) for Sony/Minolta-A adapted lenses.

On the other hand, I have a pretty good setup right now and it's hard to justify a nearly $2000 CAD camera.

 

[Astral/H3X]

Is there any real need for me to upgrade to an a6500 from a6000? IBIS would be amazing for adapted lenses, as well as phase-detection support (and AF!) for Sony/Minolta-A adapted lenses.

On the other hand, I have a pretty good setup right now and it's hard to justify a nearly $2000 CAD camera.

I mean, you can get an A7II for less money than that.
Which really depends on how heavily you're gonna be leaning on those adapted lenses.

 

[KalBalboa]

Is there any real need for me to upgrade to an a6500 from a6000? IBIS would be amazing for adapted lenses, as well as phase-detection support (and AF!) for Sony/Minolta-A adapted lenses.

On the other hand, I have a pretty good setup right now and it's hard to justify a nearly $2000 CAD camera.

I'm still in love with my A6000. I use it 3x as much as my A7S when it comes to photography.

I'll wait until I can find the A6500 second hand for ~$800.

 

[ty_hot]

Now you do realize anything that could take good pictures at night pretty much constitutes as a camera that can take good pictures indoors right? I'm looking at what you're asking for and looking at what your budget is and it looks like you're asking for the impossible unless 150 euros is more than 300 bucks. Maybe if you're lucky you can find some sort of Sony A5100 kit at that price range on Ebay. Any actual DSLR at that price range would probably be old as well. Is there any brand you're specifically looking for?

You might be able to grab a used Sony NEX-6 that fits the bill. Mirrorless camera, and the kit lens pancakes, so it's pretty portable.

Has a large APS-C sensor for night photography, and the kit lens isn't bad.

Q will still give you a bit better picture than the phone but not a whole lot, the differences comes to the ability to control it and better lens. You might be able to find used Pentax K30, K50 or Ks1 for cheap, I certainly have seen them for 200usd with kit lens and they are very capable cameras but your market is probably a bit different than the US. Almost any dslr you can buy in the last 6(?) years will be way better than K100D. Older Olympus PEN E-PL cameras can also be dirt cheap and are smaller than DSLR.

An older DSLR like a Nikon D40x or D60 would be nice. Both are 10mp and take nice photos. D40x can be had used off ebay for ~150 with a lens.

Canon XTi, XSi, T1i, and T2i may be worth looking into also.

Micro 4/3 Panasonic GF5 or newer if you can get it to fit your budget. I own a GF3 and I like it but the step up in IQ from the 12 to 16mp would be worth the price.

Olympus E-PM2 or newer to.

I will check those cameras, thanks for the help!

And yes, the market in europe is a lot different than in the USA. First of all some things take months (even a year) to be released here (chromebooks dont even land here mostly...), then when they come they have those super prices =| And that translates to the used market as well, prices dont go down as they do in the USA.

 

[lbcyalater]

sorry if this has been asked before but I shoot on a dslr (canon 60d) mainly for photos but video seems to difficult for run and gun situations and I just want to take nice looking videos as my daughter grows up (mainly travel and doc type stuff) and I was just curious what my best option is for that type of thing. I was thinking of an action cam like the gopro5 due to its ruggedness and small size but I'm not sure

 

[Ty4on]

sorry if this has been asked before but I shoot on a dslr (canon 60d) mainly for photos but video seems to difficult for run and gun situations and I just want to take nice looking videos as my daughter grows up (mainly travel and doc type stuff) and I was just curious what my best option is for that type of thing. I was thinking of an action cam like the gopro5 due to its ruggedness and small size but I'm not sure

What is making video hard for you? The size and clunky operation?

 

[VisceralBowl]

What is making video hard for you? The size and clunky operation?

Or is it a lack of full-time AF?

I personally don't enjoy the output of gopros.

 

[lbcyalater]

What is making video hard for you? The size and clunky operation?

Or is it a lack of full-time AF?

I personally don't enjoy the output of a gopros.

yes, all of the above

 

[VisceralBowl]

yes, all of the above

Hm well part of me wants to say grab a used canon 70D (which has fulltime autofocus and a touchscreen) but another part wants to say maybe go with a gopro as it would be overall easier and smaller.

 

[Astral/H3X]

To say absolutely nothing of the excellent for video Mirrorless cameras out there, of course.

 

[giga]

Anyone have a Moment lens?

https://momentlens.co

Looks like the best-reviewed phone lens adapter and its on sale for $77 after using the code FRIENDS so I jumped in on the wide angle lens.

http://photographyconcentrate.com/moment-smartphone-lenses-review/
https://fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-moment-mobile-lenses-32943
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-lenses-for-iphone/

 

[VisceralBowl]

To say absolutely nothing of the excellent for video Mirrorless cameras out there, of course.

Also this. The A6k series, some of Panasonic's M4/3 stuff, the new EOS M5, and even some of the bridge cameras (G7X for example) all would be good alternatives as well!

Spoiler

though I also find the G7X output to not be that great, especially at high ISO.

 

[Astral/H3X]

Anyone have a Moment lens?

https://momentlens.co

Looks like the best-reviewed phone lens adapter and its on sale for $77 after using the code FRIENDS so I jumped in.

http://photographyconcentrate.com/moment-smartphone-lenses-review/
https://fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-moment-mobile-lenses-32943
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-lenses-for-iphone/

Honestly, rather than these, I'd rather Sony make an A6000 phone, or an RX100 phone, something like that. I'd rather have a camera with a phone in it, than a phone trying to be a camera.

 

[giga]

Honestly, rather than these, I'd rather Sony make an A6000 phone, or an RX100 phone, something like that. I'd rather have a camera with a phone in it, than a phone trying to be a camera.

I'm iffy about that, since sometimes I don't want heft on my phone when I'm not specifically looking to take photos. Removable lenses are a cool solution for that.

 

[Astral/H3X]

I'm iffy about that, since sometimes I don't want heft on my phone when I'm not specifically looking to take photos. Removable lenses are a cool solution for that.

I am sure that they could find a way to work that out, maybe not necessarily with E Mount, but maybe an mE (micro E) mount for a m4/3rds size sensor on an Xperia phone.

Would be really cool.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Hm well part of me wants to say grab a used canon 70D (which has fulltime autofocus and a touchscreen) but another part wants to say maybe go with a gopro as it would be overall easier and smaller.

AF is still pretty crap.

If you really want to shoot home movies get a camcorder. It is so much easier to shoot video on a device specifically designed for it.

If you want to be an amateur filmmaker sure you could get a mirrorless body and thousands of dollars or extra stuff. You will still be limited by recording times, overheating, piss poor battery life and confusing as hell color profiles and codecs.

Gopros are nice for mounting on stuff but suck ass trying to get shots of the sports game or the play.