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NeoGAF Camera Equipment Thread | MK II

Mr. Hyde

Member
It's crazy that camera prices seem to go up instead of down. I see Canon 5d MKIII going for 1800-2200 used and a 6d for over 1k when a year ago they were cheaper than that. I guess I need to stop waiting to get full frame for my business.
 
It's crazy that camera prices seem to go up instead of down. I see Canon 5d MKIII going for 1800-2200 used and a 6d for over 1k when a year ago they were cheaper than that. I guess I need to stop waiting to get full frame for my business.
Maybe the lack of 5D Mk IV hype kind of messed with the prices.
 

RuGalz

Member
New retail prices have been increasing as well adjusting for exchange rate, inflation, and probably shrinking market. So it kind of keeps the used price up.
 
So I was able to get that a6000 open box from Best Buy earlier today. Everything looked perfect. Bought an SD card as well.

Overwhelmed by all the options but excited to learn.

I appreciate all the info you guys gave me. Thanks!
 
Interestingly the prices for the A7 are slowly going down. I bought mine used on eBay for $850 in November last year, now you can get a decent one for about $820. Granted it's a $30 drop but a drop is still a drop lol.

Anyway, my Nikon 50mm 1.4 showed up in the mail today. Here it is right next to the Series E 50mm 1.8:



It's crazy how lens construction changed in about 5 years. The 1.4 I have was made between 1974 to 1976 and about 5 years later Nikon managed to make it super small and make a "pancake" albeit .4 slower:



The 1.4 is basically double the length of the 1.8!

Here's a quick shot from the 1.4 at 1.4:



The distortion is kinda ehh (the edge of the table is flat as you can see with the lens pics before) but I don't think it's a dealbreaker for me... for now. We'll see tomorrow when I can actually use it on a human being lol.

On the positive side, it's insane how everything just melts away behind the bear. With the lens pics(both taken with my 28-90 at 2.8) you can kinda tell that there's actually some depth behind the subject, with the 1.4, it's all one huge of blob of whatever.
 
Interestingly the prices for the A7 are slowly going down. I bought mine used on eBay for $850 in November last year, now you can get a decent one for about $820. Granted it's a $30 drop but a drop is still a drop lol.

Anyway, my Nikon 50mm 1.4 showed up in the mail today. Here it is right next to the Series E 50mm 1.8:



It's crazy how lens construction changed in about 5 years. The 1.4 I have was made between 1974 to 1976 and about 5 years later Nikon managed to make it super small and make a "pancake" albeit .4 slower:



The 1.4 is basically double the length of the 1.8!

Here's a quick shot from the 1.4 at 1.4:



The distortion is kinda ehh (the edge of the table is flat as you can see with the lens pics before) but I don't think it's a dealbreaker for me... for now. We'll see tomorrow when I can actually use it on a human being lol.

On the positive side, it's insane how everything just melts away behind the bear. With the lens pics(both taken with my 28-90 at 2.8) you can kinda tell that there's actually some depth behind the subject, with the 1.4, it's all one huge of blob of whatever.
That increase in size is actually probably just the part where it's an f1.4

I have the FD 1.8 and 1.4, and they are both very much the same series of lens, but the 1.4 is a good chunk larger.
 
True. I will give it a few months of refocusing my work and then figure out which I want to invest into.
Yeah it's all about finding what works for you. I heard the Mk IV is more of a evolution and not an evolution. There seems to be no wow factor with it or at least nothing that makes it stand out. Probably more of a problem with the competition being a lot stiffer than when the 5D Mk III came out.
 
So I was able to get that a6000 open box from Best Buy earlier today. Everything looked perfect. Bought an SD card as well.

Overwhelmed by all the options but excited to learn.

I appreciate all the info you guys gave me. Thanks!

Congrats, that's what I have and I love it. I just bought two new prime lenses as well so I hope to have some fun with those soon.

Also, if you aren't aware of it, check out this thread for some really good pics from gaffers and some good tips.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330043
 
So finally sold my aging Canon Kiss X and made a jump to mirrorless from DSLR (hopefully for good) by buying A6300. Now the fun part begins, and by that I mean hunting for good prime lenses.
 
Yeah it's all about finding what works for you. I heard the Mk IV is more of a evolution and not an evolution. There seems to be no wow factor with it or at least nothing that makes it stand out. Probably more of a problem with the competition being a lot stiffer than when the 5D Mk III came out.

It's pretty evident Canon wanted people to back away from the SLR for video. I'm not really interested in shooting video, luckily :)

For photography, the added dynamic range, resolution, speed, and a few nice things here and there are nice. I think the 5D MK II was more of a revolution, MK III more evolutionary, MK IV more evolutionary still. At this point I want more evolution (better sensors for ever better image quality, for example) than anything major. Had Canon decided their niche 5DS/5DSR was a satisfactory successor to the MK III, I would have jumped ship (most likely to D750 or D810).
 
It's pretty evident Canon wanted people to back away from the SLR for video. I'm not really interested in shooting video, luckily :)

For photography, the added dynamic range, resolution, speed, and a few nice things here and there are nice. I think the 5D MK II was more of a revolution, MK III more evolutionary, MK IV more evolutionary still. At this point I want more evolution (better sensors for ever better image quality, for example) than anything major. Had Canon decided their niche 5DS/5DSR was a satisfactory successor to the MK III, I would have jumped ship (most likely to D750 or D810).
Yeah I'm not a video person either. I can do it for work, but for my own personal stuff I don't want to bother with it at all. Nothing about the MK IV really wowed me. I honestly just tell people to save up for a used MK III if they're upgrading to a Canon full frame camera. I know the MK IV has the edge in certain specs, but it kind of just seems by the numbers to me, like they did the bare minimum as an upgraded camera.
 
Bought the Fuji XF 23mm 1.4 lens. Now have the unofficial 'old Holy Trinity' (before the 16mm 1.4 and the 50-140mm arrived) of 14, 23 and 56mm.

When looking for pure joy
, superb colors, easy and intuitive handling and controls and awesome glass, Fuji really delivers.

And now Iridient released an Fuji RAF to DNG converter for PC, I also have great quality files without foliage and worm problems to edit in Lightroom.
 
Bought the Fuji XF 23mm 1.4 lens. Now have the unofficial 'old Holy Trinity' (before the 16mm 1.4 and the 50-140mm arrived) of 14, 23 and 56mm.

When looking for pure joy
, superb colors, easy and intuitive handling and controls and awesome glass, Fuji really delivers.

And now Iridient released an Fuji RAF to DNG converter for PC, I also have great quality files without foliage and worm problems to edit in Lightroom.
What body are you using?
 
What body are you using?

I still have a X-E1 and X-E2. I don't need speed because I shoot mainly landscapes in AF+MF mode and using the distance scale to set the hyperfocal distance.

The new bodies are very tempting though because landscapes would profit from the 24MP, but yeah my budget isn't infinite and I would still prefer a theoretical X-E3 to the X-Pro2 and XT-2.
 
So finally sold my aging Canon Kiss X and made a jump to mirrorless from DSLR (hopefully for good) by buying A6300. Now the fun part begins, and by that I mean hunting for good prime lenses.

I just bought the 30mm Sigma 1.4 based on a number of comments in this thread. It should be delivered today, can't wait :)

I also bought the 19mm Sigma 2.8 but haven't had much time to play with it yet.
 
Congrats, that's what I have and I love it. I just bought two new prime lenses as well so I hope to have some fun with those soon.

Also, if you aren't aware of it, check out this thread for some really good pics from gaffers and some good tips.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330043

I'll definitely check out that thread. Maybe I'll post pictures as well...eventually, lol :)

Been messing with the 11fps burst shot. So awesome.
 

RuGalz

Member
When looking for pure joy
, superb colors, easy and intuitive handling and controls and awesome glass, Fuji really delivers.

I really wish they would give me more customizable mount adapter setting slots since I'm mostly using adapted lenses. And better file management. I'd much prefer it storing my photos into date folders instead of what it's doing now and being able to select a range of photos to delete at once instead of having to select each one by one to delete. Other than that, my x-e2 is a good compliment to my DSLR. Fuji and Pentax have similar philosophy in many areas.
 
I really wish they would give me more customizable mount adapter setting slots since I'm mostly using adapted lenses. And better file management. I'd much prefer it storing my photos into date folders instead of what it's doing now and being able to select a range of photos to delete at once instead of having to select each one by one to delete. Other than that, my x-e2 is a good compliment to my DSLR. Fuji and Pentax have similar philosophy in many areas.

I almost want to switch to Fuji because of having adapted lens profiles, tbh.
 

RuGalz

Member
I almost want to switch to Fuji because of having adapted lens profiles, tbh.

It's just there to write the focal length of the lens used into exif data lol. Having only 2 slots requires me to dig deeper into the menu to select the right one. On my Pentax, it just asks me what focal length I am using when it first detects a manual lens with a list of 10 or so I have used in the past so it's way more flexible. Does Sony not have that? It'd be a strange omission.
 
It's just there to write the focal length of the lens used into exif data lol. Having only 2 slots requires me to dig deeper into the menu to select the right one. On my Pentax, it just asks me what focal length I am using when it first detects a manual lens with a list of 10 or so I have used in the past so it's way more flexible. Does Sony not have that? It'd be a strange omission.

Nope, just completely blank on all lens info. No aperture (duh), focal length, or name.
 

Mr. Hyde

Member
Is 698 for a canon 5D Mark II with a shutter count of 32k worth it as a stepping stone for a year or so as a secondary camera to my 70D?
 

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Is 698 for a canon 5D Mark II with a shutter count of 32k worth it as a stepping stone for a year or so as a secondary camera to my 70D?

Yeah, I'd say so. My 7D I bought 4 years ago had about 37,000 and I'm just now selling it along with it sitting at about 45,000. 32,000 is low in that shutter's lifetime.
 

Aurongel

Member
Is 698 for a canon 5D Mark II with a shutter count of 32k worth it as a stepping stone for a year or so as a secondary camera to my 70D?
That's about average IMO, for that shutter design you never want to buy one second hand above ~35,000 actuations. As long as you've got the glass for it, you'll see an immediate improvement in IQ over the 70D.
 
Is 698 for a canon 5D Mark II with a shutter count of 32k worth it as a stepping stone for a year or so as a secondary camera to my 70D?
I got my D600 with way more than that, but then again I got the shutter changed for free. Shouldn't be too bad as long as it was taken care of well enough. Though my next camera is being bought at B&H. I don't mind used, but nothing with a fuckton of mileage on it this time.
 
yeesh, that'd drive me nuts.



It's for Nikon 1 camera won't work on FX.
Thankfully there's Lenstagger on Lightroom. Can put all that info and them some (though I leave out actual aperture of the shot) in with just a few clicks.
Also thankfully I remember what lens I had for each shot (though its pretty easy to tell stuper-wide from 50mm from 100mm).
 

RuGalz

Member
Thankfully there's Lenstagger on Lightroom. Can put all that info and them some (though I leave out actual aperture of the shot) in with just a few clicks.
Also thankfully I remember what lens I had for each shot (though its pretty easy to tell stuper-wide from 50mm from 100mm).

Yea that's fine if I'm home. When I come back from a trip with 5k shots that's not going to work lol.
 

Mr. Hyde

Member
That's about average IMO, for that shutter design you never want to buy one second hand above ~35,000 actuations. As long as you've got the glass for it, you'll see an immediate improvement in IQ over the 70D.

That's true. I might end up getting a used 6D with under 15k shutter count for around 950 to utilize my lenses better. 5D MARK III is out of my range due to also wanting a 35mm in the near future. I'm also teaching my wife the manual side of shooting so she will end up using my 70d a lot as either a backup shooter or on her own. I'm shooting family portraits (studio and not) plus models mostly, so I am fine with the 6d's center focusing system. That's generally how I shoot most of the time anyhow.
 

Mr. Hyde

Member
Oh god. I hope I don't regret spending 950 for a full frame camera. I need to get my hustle back. My wife wants to learn to shoot more so I am going to let her use my 70d. She has assisted me on a lot of shoots so it shouldn't be hard to teach her manual camera settings.
 
Should we assume that the A7 III will be announced around October like the previous models? I'm trying to decide, as I'm about to pull the trigger on the A6500 for 4K indie filmmaking, but I want that Full Frame sensor so bad for photography and trying to figure out if I should wait on the Mk. III. This is driving me nuts. Do they usually announce their cameras at trade shows and such?
 
Should we assume that the A7 III will be announced around October like the previous models? I'm trying to decide, as I'm about to pull the trigger on the A6500 for 4K indie filmmaking, but I want that Full Frame sensor so bad for photography and trying to figure out if I should wait on the Mk. III. This is driving me nuts. Do they usually announce their cameras at trade shows and such?
I always ask everybody if they really need the 4K. If you can live without it then get an A7 II how much difference in price is there between the A7 II and the A7R2?
 

RuGalz

Member
Should we assume that the A7 III will be announced around October like the previous models? I'm trying to decide, as I'm about to pull the trigger on the A6500 for 4K indie filmmaking, but I want that Full Frame sensor so bad for photography and trying to figure out if I should wait on the Mk. III. This is driving me nuts. Do they usually announce their cameras at trade shows and such?

If you are getting a6500 then a7 iii, might as well just go for a7r2. What are you saving there?
 
I always ask everybody if they really need the 4K. If you can live without it then get an A7 II how much difference in price is there between the A7 II and the A7R2?

If you are getting a6500 then a7 iii, might as well just go for a7r2. What are you saving there?

It's more-so staying up-to-date on the newest thing for indie film. The A7R II would require a lot of saving up, as $3,000 is a substantial amount of money for someone like me. I may just wait. Does Sony usually announce anything around Spring time?
 
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Deleted member 17706

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I would get the a6500 or the recently announced GH5, which can do 4K60 for film making. The sensor on the a6500 is no slouch for photos, either, even if it's not full frame. Other than the sensor, I'd say it's better than the A7RII in just about every way, too. Certainly so when it comes to shooting video. It's lighter, has better focusing abilities, and has a touch screen which allows you to drag the focus point around and smoothly transition between subjects. It seems pretty incredible, honestly, and APS-C lenses are cheaper and lighter in general.
 

RuGalz

Member
It's more-so staying up-to-date on the newest thing for indie film. The A7R II would require a lot of saving up, as $3,000 is a substantial amount of money for someone like me. I may just wait. Does Sony usually announce anything around Spring time?

Camera announcement isn't always predictable, esp with recent earthquakes affecting the sensor productions. They could announce it next month or 6 months from now or end of the year, who knows but one is probably due this year. Since you already know you want FF, personally, I wouldn't bother with an APSC since that's a whole different system to support. Depending on your plan of attack on lens purchases I guess. If FE focal length works for you on APSC then maybe you only need one set. If you don't care about lenses and just want the latest tech then a6500 is probably fine.
 
Should we assume that the A7 III will be announced around October like the previous models? I'm trying to decide, as I'm about to pull the trigger on the A6500 for 4K indie filmmaking, but I want that Full Frame sensor so bad for photography and trying to figure out if I should wait on the Mk. III. This is driving me nuts. Do they usually announce their cameras at trade shows and such?

My understanding is that the A6500 has a bad rolling shutter issue. I'd make sure that's not going to be an issue for you before buying that camera for movie making.

EDIT: As evident here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pyfBWRuc5I
 

Armadilo

Banned
Please help me Gaf, so I got a photography class and now I need a camera and stuff.

Film and will only be taking black and white pictures.

some of what he recommends -
Good 35mm camera types for this class are:
Canon (AT1, AE1, Rebel, Elan)
Pentax K1000
Nikon (N70, N80, N2000, FM, Nikomat or Nikkormat)
Olympus OM1
Minolta (Maxxum or X-series)

This list is not comprehensive. If you find a camera for a good price, be sure it is an SLR and has a Manual Exposure Mode (which means that you can adjust aperture and shutter speeds independently).

and other stuff that I need and he recommends -

Paper Choices

Ilford Multigrade RC (Pearl), 8x10
or
Arista Multigrade RC (Pearl), 8x10


Film Choices

Ilford 35mm, 36 exposure (get the 400, 125 or 100 ISO) (avoid the XP2 or SFX films)
or
Arista 35mm, 36 exposure


Negative Sleeves

Clearfile Pages
or
Printfile Pages

Guys please give me your best recommendations on what I should get, I have no clue and would get anything.

something cheap and good or whatever, thanks
 

Got

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Please help me Gaf, so I got a photography class and now I need a camera and stuff.

Film and will only be taking black and white pictures.

some of what he recommends -


and other stuff that I need and he recommends -



Guys please give me your best recommendations on what I should get, I have no clue and would get anything.

something cheap and good or whatever, thanks

Check out the Canon A1. Though there are so many options for SLR, you really can't go wrong.
 
Please help me Gaf, so I got a photography class and now I need a camera and stuff.

Film and will only be taking black and white pictures.

some of what he recommends -


and other stuff that I need and he recommends -



Guys please give me your best recommendations on what I should get, I have no clue and would get anything.

something cheap and good or whatever, thanks

If you really want something cheap, get on eBay and look for the Nikon's you listed... they can be had for less than $50 bucks.

I bought a Nikon N8008 last year for $30 bucks and it was in perfect condition, no light leaks or anything of that sort. I'd probably recommend that as they're known to be very durable and can take all sorts of abuse. More importantly, if you're lazy like me, it has an automatic film rewind function so you don't have to twirl a damn piece of metal like my Nikon EL2 lol.

Speaking of which, I'd also recommend the EL2 as it has a gorgeous body:

D3S_9467-0600.jpg


But they're kinda rare and somewhat expensive. I lucked in getting one coz a GAF member was selling an EL2 and the original Nikon F as a bundle. Now that thing is a beast of a camera but it's so ancient I can't realy use the light meter since it still runs on mercury batteries and they've been illegal since the 90's lol.

But anyway, go look at the N8008 or any other Nikon SLR body. They're durable and cheap as shit, you should be able to find one for even less than $50.

And more importantly, once you transfer to a Nikon DSLR, all those lenses you'll be getting for the film SLR will still work on a DSLR(in manual mode only, but you'll be fine since you're taking a photography class anyway).

Check out the Canon A1. Though there are so many options for SLR, you really can't go wrong.

Canon film SLR's are ridiculously expensive though. After watching DigitalRev's review of the AE-1 Program last week, I took a look at eBay and a decent condition one will run you above $100+!

I think they're cool as hell but the FD mount kills it... it'd be a different story if it was an EF mount though.
 
Guys please give me your best recommendations on what I should get, I have no clue and would get anything.

something cheap and good or whatever, thanks

Can you use Kodak T-Max film? It's what I always used in film classes and I never had problems with it. Also had good luck with Ilford paper.
 
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