drganon
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Obviously this isn't enough of a selling point for most.
Would be nice if we could access all of them via other devices though.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
How could they not compete with expensive hardware when all their AAA games are pushing high end graphics? What they are going to make the new HALO in potato mode at 30fps with 32GB internal storage? Also again you are comparing prices from ages ago. Wait till April, Switch 2 wont be $400....that is FACT. Its going to be more expensive for sure.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I remain skeptical of another xbox console in the traditional sense releasing.
LOL@ lumping Sony with them.
But it can be 2X the Series X because it's not going to be a high volume product so yields will not be a problem .
SimTourist
Member
Would MS even be interested in selling only 5-10 million units lifetime? I don't think so. Considering the software attach rate is like 1:10 for most successful games that would mean at best 1 million units for a big hit, completely worthless for any AAA title.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Next gen you’ll get an “Xbox” branded desktop Windows PC
It’ll support “Xbox” games that were already on PC from the One/Series generations (cross-buy stuff)
It won’t play your og Xbox or 360 games, hence why the BC program ended.
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HRK69
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I think PlayStation and even Nintendo might still find ways to adapt rather than completely abandoning dedicated hardware. Microsoft seems the most likely to go all-in on cloud gaming, given their Game Pass strategy
DoctorEkkoUK
Member
Ok, heres a wild speculation. MS realise that the S is holding them back and the two tier box system isn't working so from next year all new Xbox games will require the Xbox Prime (older Xbox gens can play the new gen games but only via cloud) The Xbox Prime will be a slight improvement on the series X with a faster CPU and small GPU bump. This will remove Xbox's Series S headache. Give developers a way out of supporting the S by saying this game is released on PS5 and Xbox Prime only (they can still do cross gen if they want.... they won't). The biggest downside is it will annoy some series X owners. Doubt it will happen but who knows.
SimTourist
Member
So you want them to drop 80% of their userbase? Sounds like a solid plan
Orbital2060
Member
Wrong - they are making efforts to future proof BC games and forward compatibility in general.
EXCLUSIVE: Xbox President Sarah Bond has set up a new team dedicated to game preservation and forward compatibility
The backward compatibility program will continue to future Xbox hardware.
www.windowscentral.com
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Kvally
Member
The next couple gens of Xbox IMO will support Xbox One and Xbox Series games, as well as 360 and OG games (via emulation for those two gens). Libraries are too big that owners have built and developers aren’t going to just give you PC versions of games that you own as console versions.
Kvally
Member
#tribalism
HJuggernaut
Member
Probably too soon to discuss this but how many teraflops are we talking here?
RetroGamingUK
Member
Didn’t they close the Xbox hardware studio?
Don’t expect Panos Panay’s team to put in the effort to create a dedicated console when Microsoft have thrown in the towel.
DoctorEkkoUK
Member
I never said I want them to do anything. I couldn't care less I'm a PC gamer. I'm just speculating what they might do. How would that be any dfferent from a normal console generation where the old gen get left behind?
SimTourist
Member
So it won't be significantly more powerful than PS5 Pro, looks pretty bad when your nextgen is barely stronger than current gen. People will just ignore it even more now that all games are coming to PS5. Sounds like a big waste of everyone's time.
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Kvally
Member
Nope. Why would they?
The Windows division simply won't allow something like that to exist. Less bloat is not their way...
Panos left Surface team in 2023 after Microsoft wouldn't greenlight his more adventurous designs:
Panos Panay left Microsoft due to big cutbacks on more 'experimental' Surface devices
Microsoft will only focus on its most popular Surface devices going forward.
www.windowscentral.com
Kvally
Member
Another reason I avoid Windows.
Topher
Identifies as young
Seems like Nick got it wrong.
Xbox Series X|S Architect Officially Named 'VP Of Next-Generation' At Microsoft
We love it when a plan comes together
www.purexbox.com
Kvally
Member
Do you have something from MS where they announced they closed down their hardware division?
Xbox Series X|S Architect Officially Named 'VP Of Next-Generation' At Microsoft
We love it when a plan comes together
www.purexbox.com
2024 has been the year that Microsoft has officially started talking about its next-generation console plans, and we now have some fresh news on who's helping build new hardware for Xbox. Jason Ronald, who was front and centre of designing and introducing Xbox Series X|S, has been named 'VP of Next-Generation' over at Microsoft.
Xbox's Next Console Will Feature The 'Largest Technical Leap Ever' In A Generation
Bold claim!
www.purexbox.com
"We're also invested in the next generation roadmap. And what we're really focused on there is delivering the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation, which makes it better for players and better for creators and the visions that they're building."
Speaking with The Verge, Phil said that he's "very proud of the work that the hardware team is doing [...] into the future", and that includes "creating hardware that sells to gamers".
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I dont follow this guy just reposting for reasons as it was sent to me
Topher
Identifies as young
I would buy Series X2 and P. I doubt S2 will exist. I mean.....haven't we learned?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
It was likely their biggest seller and as far as learning goes we are indeed talking about MS and Xbox here so….
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Well....that would be 6 years. Makes sense.
Xbox 360 was fall 2005 - 8 years
Xbox One was fall 2013 - 7 years
XSX was fall 2020 - will be 6 years
Xbox 360 was fall 2005 - 8 years
Xbox One was fall 2013 - 7 years
XSX was fall 2020 - will be 6 years
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Couldn't find a better link for that, could we ?
SimTourist
Member
Series PS6
HeisenbergFX4
Member
There is that option as well, let me know how Steam games play on that
Topher
Identifies as young
Couldn't find a better link for that, could we ?
lol....could have just linked to the tweet
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
If Microsoft pulls a steam deck competitor with a custom Windows OS optimized for gaming with the ability to install steam I'll be all for it, day one. Anything else or less I'm not interested.
mayham2199
Member
That’s what the plan is. I’m skeptical of how “streamlined”. They can really make it but we will see.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
They are coming
SimTourist
Member
You think they will willingly give up the 30% cut they get from every game and purchase made on the system? Why would anyone use the xbox store in that scenario?
Thebonehead
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mayham2199
Member
The only thing I can think is that the steam store will be something you sideload and not really something they advertise at all. That way they can get most of the hardcore to stay and feel like they are winning. The whole thing sounds like a pipe dream honestly and I'm wondering if Phil just threw that out there to keep people hyped and give them hope while they watch all their exclusives go away.
Xbox is in the middle of trying to take customers away from Steam right now why would they give their users a way to build up a library on Steam at the same time? A move that I don't even think is going to change anything for them in the console space because what would it? Oh I can get Sony and Xbox games on Xbox's new console? Well I can get that on my PS already. There best bet is to release a traditional console see who stays and work from there.
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ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Series x2. All I need is a high spec device with mods. Gp for Xbox games, steam for ps games.
Stafford
Member
That's very disappointing to hear. Damn.
bbw_lover87
Member
Good im ready baby
Guardian Monkey
Member
You know what you’re right. They can’t pull this off. The pc side will be broken. Well back to waiting for steam os. That was fun while it lasted
- To play games better optimized for that hardware vs the PC version of the game on Steam.
-To play the Gamepass version.
-To play the most accessible/console like version of the game, playanywhere, Xcloud....
-To keep your retro and BC catalog in the same ecosystem and play those games with special features.
Presumably, MS will continue to make tools, development kits, Pix and foundations available to Studios and developers so that the hardware of its "console" can be better used and optimized. "Xbox optimized only on Xbox Store"
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Yikes
Ashamam
Member
Since we are in rumour town, let's not forget the Steambox. So depending on price, maybe the better console/steam package is a PS6 + Steambox vs higher specced Series X2 AIO. Especially if you put value on NOT running Windows. It's possibly more attractive to me with a MacBook Pro. Might depend on whether I can stream back to the laptop from either machine. Or hold on to a Pro for a few years and add a Steambox. Or trade the Pro for a X2, and hope that makes it vaguely affordable.
Definitely going to be a more interesting decision to make 'next' generation. In quotes because it will be unusual with hardware releases not lining up complicating the decision.
Syphon Filter
Member
if that was the case xbox wouldn't be a failure like it currently is, it sold even less than the xbox one.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Judging by the rate of slowdown it won’t sell much more than half the Xbox One.